Fiesta ST stage 3 build
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My son has moved to a Golf R, so there was a spare Fiesta ST....
Guess who bought it, well, lent him the money based on selling the Fiesta but have decided to keep it for a while and sell the M135i.
So was after some tips, as standard its not quite quick enough, do you think a simple remap be enough or do I need to go a bit further ?
Guess who bought it, well, lent him the money based on selling the Fiesta but have decided to keep it for a while and sell the M135i.
So was after some tips, as standard its not quite quick enough, do you think a simple remap be enough or do I need to go a bit further ?
J4CKO said:
My son has moved to a Golf R, so there was a spare Fiesta ST....
Guess who bought it, well, lent him the money based on selling the Fiesta but have decided to keep it for a while and sell the M135i.
So was after some tips, as standard its not quite quick enough, do you think a simple remap be enough or do I need to go a bit further ?
My son has a Fiesta ST which at first he ran a Stage 1 Revo remap and that was a big improvement over standard. Guess who bought it, well, lent him the money based on selling the Fiesta but have decided to keep it for a while and sell the M135i.
So was after some tips, as standard its not quite quick enough, do you think a simple remap be enough or do I need to go a bit further ?
He's currently running a Stage 2 Revo map with the necessary associated hardware that is required for Stge 3 and is running around 260 bhp.
He's now got a X47R Pumaspeed hybrid turbo which is going on the car in the next few weeks and should have around 320-330 bhp.
Edited by Andy OH on Monday 19th April 11:54
Andy OH said:
J4CKO said:
My son has moved to a Golf R, so there was a spare Fiesta ST....
Guess who bought it, well, lent him the money based on selling the Fiesta but have decided to keep it for a while and sell the M135i.
So was after some tips, as standard its not quite quick enough, do you think a simple remap be enough or do I need to go a bit further ?
My son has a Fiesta ST which at first he ran a Stage 1 Revo remap and that was a big improvement, he's currently running a Stage 2 Revo map with the necessary associated hardware that is required and is running around 260 bhp. He's got a X47R Pumaspeed hybrid turbo which is going on the car in the next few weeks and should have around 320-330 bhp.Guess who bought it, well, lent him the money based on selling the Fiesta but have decided to keep it for a while and sell the M135i.
So was after some tips, as standard its not quite quick enough, do you think a simple remap be enough or do I need to go a bit further ?
Does he have a decat on it ?
Kind of not keen on making it any louder than it is with the Mountune exhaust on it already.
Happy to spend a grand or so but dont want to go mad.
J4CKO said:
Thats a pretty fast Fiesta then,
Does he have a decat on it ?
Kind of not keen on making it any louder than it is with the Mountune exhaust on it already.
Happy to spend a grand or so but dont want to go mad.
He is running a decat.Does he have a decat on it ?
Kind of not keen on making it any louder than it is with the Mountune exhaust on it already.
Happy to spend a grand or so but dont want to go mad.
For £1K you could get a good amount of power, possibly a Stage 2 kind of level so around 250 bhp I would say and that really livens up the car.
Just booked it in with Collins for their CP2E package to be fitted, should be about 240 bhp.
Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
J4CKO said:
Just booked it in with Collins for their CP2E package to be fitted, should be about 240 bhp.
Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
fair enough, I have the CP2 with an exhaust and intercooler - you will like it for sureEnough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
WCZ said:
J4CKO said:
Just booked it in with Collins for their CP2E package to be fitted, should be about 240 bhp.
Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
fair enough, I have the CP2 with an exhaust and intercooler - you will like it for sureEnough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
Think will go for the 3, in black, with no logo.
J4CKO said:
Did you go with the Stage One or Three cooler ? tempted to spend the difference and go for the bigger one so dont have to buy another if I decide to go for a bigger turbo, so its sort of ready if I go down that route and guessing it wont do any harm to the CP2 setup ? Collins said could decide on the day.
Think will go for the 3, in black, with no logo.
I went for the stage1, no logo - the stage 3 weighs quite a bit iircThink will go for the 3, in black, with no logo.
I think the stage1 cooler is fine for 300hp and there's a lot of bs that gets talked - but I'll find that out for myself within the next few months!
WCZ said:
J4CKO said:
Did you go with the Stage One or Three cooler ? tempted to spend the difference and go for the bigger one so dont have to buy another if I decide to go for a bigger turbo, so its sort of ready if I go down that route and guessing it wont do any harm to the CP2 setup ? Collins said could decide on the day.
Think will go for the 3, in black, with no logo.
I went for the stage1, no logo - the stage 3 weighs quite a bit iircThink will go for the 3, in black, with no logo.
I think the stage1 cooler is fine for 300hp and there's a lot of bs that gets talked - but I'll find that out for myself within the next few months!
Think I need to try it at CP2E, may well be enough and then perhaps see if I can have a shot in a demo car to see if its worth the extra.
So easy to ruin a package in the quest for numbers or doing what you feel you should do, especially if going for a motorsport sort of angle, but I just want what the standard car does, but more off it, but how much more is the big question.
Dont want to go from just right to a torque steering, tyre smoking monster dominated by an engine the chassis cant cope with.
Sometimes worth a step back and think, is a 240 bhp 1100 kilos FWD Supermini probably fast enough, or rush of blood to the head and say sod it, max it out.
J4CKO said:
Yeah, its difficult, really need to have tried a few different levels of tune back to back, only given right know is it feels pegged back and capable of handling way more in standard form, its massive fun and by no means slow but its clear more would be beneficial.
Think I need to try it at CP2E, may well be enough and then perhaps see if I can have a shot in a demo car to see if its worth the extra.
So easy to ruin a package in the quest for numbers or doing what you feel you should do, especially if going for a motorsport sort of angle, but I just want what the standard car does, but more off it, but how much more is the big question.
Dont want to go from just right to a torque steering, tyre smoking monster dominated by an engine the chassis cant cope with.
Sometimes worth a step back and think, is a 240 bhp 1100 kilos FWD Supermini probably fast enough, or rush of blood to the head and say sod it, max it out.
I had a similar thought process as you with mine.. I went to CP2 pretty much from new - with every intention of going for a hybrid turbo. I upgraded the shocks and springs, along with all the bushes and found I had a car that kept me massively amused for 5 years/50k (unheard of for me) to the point I never got around to taking it to Sabre for them to work their magic.Think I need to try it at CP2E, may well be enough and then perhaps see if I can have a shot in a demo car to see if its worth the extra.
So easy to ruin a package in the quest for numbers or doing what you feel you should do, especially if going for a motorsport sort of angle, but I just want what the standard car does, but more off it, but how much more is the big question.
Dont want to go from just right to a torque steering, tyre smoking monster dominated by an engine the chassis cant cope with.
Sometimes worth a step back and think, is a 240 bhp 1100 kilos FWD Supermini probably fast enough, or rush of blood to the head and say sod it, max it out.
Fantastic little cars and I've no doubt it will be one of the stand out ones in my memory in years to come.
In contrast to you I've got a 140 now - just to enjoy small car, big engine, rear wheel drive manual before they get too old.
mooseracer said:
J4CKO said:
Yeah, its difficult, really need to have tried a few different levels of tune back to back, only given right know is it feels pegged back and capable of handling way more in standard form, its massive fun and by no means slow but its clear more would be beneficial.
Think I need to try it at CP2E, may well be enough and then perhaps see if I can have a shot in a demo car to see if its worth the extra.
So easy to ruin a package in the quest for numbers or doing what you feel you should do, especially if going for a motorsport sort of angle, but I just want what the standard car does, but more off it, but how much more is the big question.
Dont want to go from just right to a torque steering, tyre smoking monster dominated by an engine the chassis cant cope with.
Sometimes worth a step back and think, is a 240 bhp 1100 kilos FWD Supermini probably fast enough, or rush of blood to the head and say sod it, max it out.
I had a similar thought process as you with mine.. I went to CP2 pretty much from new - with every intention of going for a hybrid turbo. I upgraded the shocks and springs, along with all the bushes and found I had a car that kept me massively amused for 5 years/50k (unheard of for me) to the point I never got around to taking it to Sabre for them to work their magic.Think I need to try it at CP2E, may well be enough and then perhaps see if I can have a shot in a demo car to see if its worth the extra.
So easy to ruin a package in the quest for numbers or doing what you feel you should do, especially if going for a motorsport sort of angle, but I just want what the standard car does, but more off it, but how much more is the big question.
Dont want to go from just right to a torque steering, tyre smoking monster dominated by an engine the chassis cant cope with.
Sometimes worth a step back and think, is a 240 bhp 1100 kilos FWD Supermini probably fast enough, or rush of blood to the head and say sod it, max it out.
Fantastic little cars and I've no doubt it will be one of the stand out ones in my memory in years to come.
In contrast to you I've got a 140 now - just to enjoy small car, big engine, rear wheel drive manual before they get too old.
Mines an auto though, dont do enough driving to make an auto invaluable, was planning to go M4 next but have to say this is more appealing currently and a lot cheaper, even with the inevitable spending. Never really had a car and plenty of budget to just throw money at it so its kind of a cathartic thing.
J4CKO said:
Just booked it in with Collins for their CP2E package to be fitted, should be about 240 bhp.
Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
I'm running Collins CP2E and it is really decent to be fair. I still want a bit more though Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
. I really want to know how you'd compare your Collins fiesta to your old m135i. The only reason I ask is I had an m135i behind me the other day ( getting closer and letting off, obviously wanted a play) then I booted it and it stayed behind me but didn't look like it was catching so I just wanted to know if you still feel the m135i was massively faster or not ( once you have the collins software fitted) thanks 
Btw, hope your son enjoys his Golf R, amazingly capable pieces of kit
Dylanaledhall said:
J4CKO said:
Just booked it in with Collins for their CP2E package to be fitted, should be about 240 bhp.
Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
I'm running Collins CP2E and it is really decent to be fair. I still want a bit more though Enough to be getting on with.
Will see if that does the trick, always the option of bigger turbos down the line but just always seems to be held back, another 40 ish bhp with better power delivery should keep me interested for a while.
I think going from < 200 to > 300 in one go is probably more than it needs for me to enjoy it.
That gets me, for £1100, the software, turbo actuator, intake and intercooler, all fitted.
. I really want to know how you'd compare your Collins fiesta to your old m135i. The only reason I ask is I had an m135i behind me the other day ( getting closer and letting off, obviously wanted a play) then I booted it and it stayed behind me but didn't look like it was catching so I just wanted to know if you still feel the m135i was massively faster or not ( once you have the collins software fitted) thanks Btw, hope your son enjoys his Golf R, amazingly capable pieces of kit
I had a Fiat 595 Abarth have go behind it (BMW) the other day wanting a play, may as well have been a 1.2.
I have decided not to worry too much about performance figures and bhp numbers and if it hits the spot then that will do, because it doesnt matter if x is faster than y, I could buy an M5 and get it mapped but I cant see the point, its pretty cool and so fast but would just be the M135i up a few rungs which wouldnt answer what I was missing. I think the main problem is the gearbox, its fantastic when in traffic and it works really well but I miss that aspect, am by no means a purist or superior about it,t hats pathetic, i just like what I like and all along I said I preffered the Fiesta, so here we are !
Nice 22k mile M135i coming up for sale very soon....
So, today I finally got round to addressing the brakes. I've opted for J hook disks and racing pads. Can't really abuse them yet, still need to bed them in over the next 200-300 miles. But straight away, feel in the pedal is much firmer and the car is definitely stopping better than it was. Let's see how they are in a few weeks time and I'll let you all know how it's going.
I have a few more parts on order, such as a crossover pipe, and a hotside boost pipe kit. Cold side isn't recommend until around 260+ bhp so I'll wait until the hybrid goes on before fitting a cold side boost pipe and the rest of the boost pipes required for bigger power
I soon will have a few more visual mods such as a low line kit and a more agressive diffuser. Hopefully will all be done over the summer
I have a few more parts on order, such as a crossover pipe, and a hotside boost pipe kit. Cold side isn't recommend until around 260+ bhp so I'll wait until the hybrid goes on before fitting a cold side boost pipe and the rest of the boost pipes required for bigger power
I soon will have a few more visual mods such as a low line kit and a more agressive diffuser. Hopefully will all be done over the summer
Not a great picture but I've done the rear seat delete. Initially I did it due to never using the rear seats and perfect for a track car ( if I want this car to go down that path, still undecided )
To be honest, the seats that came out weighed quite a bit but the boards I've used that are covered in carpet don't feel much lighter, but overall, I'm a fan of the look and it's enough space for me to either put a k brace along the back or a half cage. It maybe a bit overkill on cars like these but a half cage kept AET's Fiesta driver safe when it rolled on track so we'll see
For anyone who has worries about the strength of the 1.6 internals, have a look at this:
So Laird performance have now cracked 400+bhp on a stock block. How long will it last? It's really anyone's guess but what Laird tend to do is cap the torque. I'm very interested to see how long this Fiesta's engine lasts
So Laird performance have now cracked 400+bhp on a stock block. How long will it last? It's really anyone's guess but what Laird tend to do is cap the torque. I'm very interested to see how long this Fiesta's engine lasts
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