MK2 fiesta fast road car.

MK2 fiesta fast road car.

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RSTurboPaul

10,219 posts

257 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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TheConverted said:
RSTurboPaul said:
This is awesome thumbup

I especially love the hat and blanket on the back shelf biggrin lol

Have you rustproofed it for Winter?

Would love to know general ballpark costs for this sort of thing but I'm guessing it's not that cheap, even doing all the work yourself!

re: tyres, Uniroyal RainExpert might come in that size - I always found them very good in a range of conditions, even snow, although the sidewalls might be a bit soft for your liking. (Caveat - they were on the missus' 50-something bhp shopping car... lol) I'd prefer that to Yokos, though - they all seem to be very on/off grip-wise in the damp/wet!
I haven't, however it doesn't really go out in the wet. She's about of garage queen in that respect. And it get washed asap if it does get salty. I'm about anal about it.


Ok so cost wise, I'm more than happy to list them as long as you all promise not to add them up and tell my wife, or me for that matter. nono

car £3300 (too much, but those arches make it)
1.8 engine £280 delivered
carbs £120 + £100ish to sort them out.
Manifold £220
Ecu and loom £299 -£197 = £102
replcement ECU and loom £349
ARB £80
Bushes and bolts £150
springs £55
XR2 carriers and calipers £200
wheels £300
Tyres Ns2rs £280ish ? a539s £240
NOS 2.0 engine £1995, cant rember the delivery cost.
Rs turbo clutch £80
DA engineering engine mount and alternator kit £140
exhaust manifold £250
exhaust £150 (honestly dont bother just get a custom one done)
random stuff you dont think of and fluids £500
fuel pump £70
fuel regulator £50
Xr2 gearbox £150 in delivery.

there will be stuff ive missed but that most of it.
Thank you for the list!

Couple of grand for an engine is not cheap but NOS means it won't have been messed with and should be reliable - you'd probably pay similar for some old smoker than then required a load of work by a garage to make right!

TheConverted

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2,214 posts

153 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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RSTurboPaul said:
TheConverted said:
RSTurboPaul said:
This is awesome thumbup

I especially love the hat and blanket on the back shelf biggrin lol

Have you rustproofed it for Winter?

Would love to know general ballpark costs for this sort of thing but I'm guessing it's not that cheap, even doing all the work yourself!

re: tyres, Uniroyal RainExpert might come in that size - I always found them very good in a range of conditions, even snow, although the sidewalls might be a bit soft for your liking. (Caveat - they were on the missus' 50-something bhp shopping car... lol) I'd prefer that to Yokos, though - they all seem to be very on/off grip-wise in the damp/wet!
I haven't, however it doesn't really go out in the wet. She's about of garage queen in that respect. And it get washed asap if it does get salty. I'm about anal about it.


Ok so cost wise, I'm more than happy to list them as long as you all promise not to add them up and tell my wife, or me for that matter. nono

car £3300 (too much, but those arches make it)
1.8 engine £280 delivered
carbs £120 + £100ish to sort them out.
Manifold £220
Ecu and loom £299 -£197 = £102
replcement ECU and loom £349
ARB £80
Bushes and bolts £150
springs £55
XR2 carriers and calipers £200
wheels £300
Tyres Ns2rs £280ish ? a539s £240
NOS 2.0 engine £1995, cant rember the delivery cost.
Rs turbo clutch £80
DA engineering engine mount and alternator kit £140
exhaust manifold £250
exhaust £150 (honestly dont bother just get a custom one done)
random stuff you dont think of and fluids £500
fuel pump £70
fuel regulator £50
Xr2 gearbox £150 in delivery.

there will be stuff ive missed but that most of it.
Thank you for the list!

Couple of grand for an engine is not cheap but NOS means it won't have been messed with and should be reliable - you'd probably pay similar for some old smoker than then required a load of work by a garage to make right!
It was a big out lay. In my mind I had a choice, rebuild the 1.8 that was leaking or put in the 2.0.

The risk with the 1.8 was there was something else lurking in there. And the way I am if it was appart it would have been built with lighter internalls ARP bolts cams, ported head and so on so the price would be similar.

However I'm building this as a road car and having a peaky 1.8 that needs its neck ringing, Isnt ideal. You can built them to runout to over 8k and make power in the 7ks. The carbs I have will flow 200bhp too.

The idea of more lowdown torque and a know enterty. Just tipped it for me.
Not saying it will remain standard and I am considering fast road cams as they level out the torque curve and give abit my power.

It should be 150-160 at the crank at the moment. Cams could bump that to the 170-180 mark.

You can pick up zetec engines for around £250 £300 and you can do the swap on a proper budget. Sub £1500 if you had a car already.
I've chosen to make it more difficult and time consuming wobble

M22s

558 posts

148 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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What an utterly fantastic thread! Thoroughly enjoyed reading that and kudos for just rolling your sleeves up and having a go.

warch

2,941 posts

153 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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That's a super looking project, well done!

TheConverted

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2,214 posts

153 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Brakes! Everyone know they make you faster sleep

The pop comes as standard servo assited with solid discs up front and drums out back.

The standard setup is actually pretty Decent and more than capable of locking the semi slicks which I was surprised by. However there very little ability to deal with heat. And the ancient brown muddy brake oil/water mix want to boil after some 'spirted driving'

I've opted for a Xr2 front calipers. These are abit bigger and take a whopping 240mm vented disc. I've fitted braided hoses everywhere there was I rubber one. And flushed the system through with dot 5

Xr2 calipers are easy to come by and available new. However the carriers are rarer than, rocking horse st




That gopping red isnt the factory color they should be zinc plated.
As the carriers came with calipers I opted to rebuild them as they weren't in good nick.

Yes I'm st at remembering to take photos. But here's the finished assembly.



I've gone for EBC Yellows. I've had good success, with these in the past. And I find they have better cold bite than say a ds2500, Another great pad.
The yellows are about cheaper too. I learned you need apad for the driving you do with the golf . The number of near accidents I had with carbon Lorraine ceramic pads was ridiculous. You need a props leg to do the first few stops when they were cold.



As you can see it's a pretty tight setup with 13s. In fact the wheel weights have had to be moved.

Edited by TheConverted on Monday 4th January 22:03

TheConverted

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2,214 posts

153 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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This was my great grandfathers lathe, he bought it sometime after he returned from ww2. It's a myford ml7. I think it dates from between 1946 and 1953.

It's a very handy bit of kit to have around. Excuse the mess I'm packing for a house move.



Naturally it's fitted with a washing machine motor. I'm guessing the original failed long ago. It's also got the scariest looking home made metal control switch to reverse the current, It is earthed I've checked.

Here's some more photos







112 at the wheels from the 1.8 would have put it in the region of 130 at the crank. Considering there 115 as standard. Don't worry that's not the torque curve it's the afrs.


5harp3y

1,942 posts

198 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Great thread

Code Black

106 posts

48 months

Monday 4th January 2021
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Love the car mate, very nice!!

TheConverted

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2,214 posts

153 months

Tuesday 5th January 2021
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Cheers guy's

Rolling road is booked for the 30th .


JatHanspal

197 posts

106 months

Tuesday 5th January 2021
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Awesome read, and great journey.

My first car was a Mk2 1.1, and I still have fond memories of it. Namely that on a cold or damp day it would quickly mist up inside and take an age to clear. Secondly the front indicators were held in place by a spring and hook mechanism, basically pulling the indicator unit into the body. I had them fall out a number of times lol.

Not a Ford since my first car - but it still holds a place for me.

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Tuesday 5th January 2021
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I know the chances of the information I'm about to post being useable is very remote, even if I have remembered it correctly! But here goes...

IIRC, in Europe there was a MK2 Fiesta diesel? And the fuel tank had a surge pot in it!

I could not possibly tell you how I know this (or think I know this, it might not be correct) and even if it is true, the chances of you finding a nice, NOS Europe-only fuel tank from before 1989 seem very bad!


finlo

3,731 posts

202 months

Tuesday 5th January 2021
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vx220 said:
I know the chances of the information I'm about to post being useable is very remote, even if I have remembered it correctly! But here goes...

IIRC, in Europe there was a MK2 Fiesta diesel? And the fuel tank had a surge pot in it!

I could not possibly tell you how I know this (or think I know this, it might not be correct) and even if it is true, the chances of you finding a nice, NOS Europe-only fuel tank from before 1989 seem very bad!
Pretty sure the UK got a diesel MK2?

NGRhodes

1,291 posts

71 months

Tuesday 5th January 2021
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TheConverted said:
112 at the wheels from the 1.8 would have put it in the region of 130 at the crank. Considering there 115 as standard. Don't worry that's not the torque curve it's the afrs.
Any plans for wilder cams ?, will work well with carbs or throttle bods

TheConverted

Original Poster:

2,214 posts

153 months

Tuesday 5th January 2021
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finlo said:
vx220 said:
I know the chances of the information I'm about to post being useable is very remote, even if I have remembered it correctly! But here goes...

IIRC, in Europe there was a MK2 Fiesta diesel? And the fuel tank had a surge pot in it!

I could not possibly tell you how I know this (or think I know this, it might not be correct) and even if it is true, the chances of you finding a nice, NOS Europe-only fuel tank from before 1989 seem very bad!
Pretty sure the UK got a diesel MK2?
Yeah your both right and the diesel as it's injected did get a surge pot. However finding one is a whole different game. I'd be more interested in the gearbox tho as it's the strongest BC variant with larger bearing. It's also the longest final drive.

If I'm honest though, the 120/130 topend it would do now is plenty in what is basically a tin can.

That's impressive triva tho VX220. I wonder what you've forgotten to remember that ? laugh

Bobberoo99

38,367 posts

97 months

Wednesday 6th January 2021
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Definitely was a Mk2 diesel, i went out with a girl in 87-88 who's dad had one, completely gutless and he drove it like he stole it!! smile

TheConverted

Original Poster:

2,214 posts

153 months

Wednesday 6th January 2021
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The gear knob came off whilst I may or may not of been in front of a new golf GTi .

Which was rather amusing to my passenger who was already pissing himself. It does punch you in the back. The carbs have great response and the 1.8 fly wheel is a fair bit light than the 2.0 one.

So rather than buy an 8 ball or somother bit of plastic of eBay. I thought I'd make one.





Luckily I managed to get the gear position peice off the old one to complete the look.

This part is also vital . It's the only security the car has. I park it nose into the garage. And I've fitted a 5speed box.

Reverse isn't easy to find if you don't know. In fact it took me 15 minutes to find it after fitting the box.

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Wednesday 6th January 2021
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TheConverted said:
finlo said:
vx220 said:
I know the chances of the information I'm about to post being useable is very remote, even if I have remembered it correctly! But here goes...

IIRC, in Europe there was a MK2 Fiesta diesel? And the fuel tank had a surge pot in it!

I could not possibly tell you how I know this (or think I know this, it might not be correct) and even if it is true, the chances of you finding a nice, NOS Europe-only fuel tank from before 1989 seem very bad!
Pretty sure the UK got a diesel MK2?
Yeah your both right and the diesel as it's injected did get a surge pot. However finding one is a whole different game. I'd be more interested in the gearbox tho as it's the strongest BC variant with larger bearing. It's also the longest final drive.

If I'm honest though, the 120/130 topend it would do now is plenty in what is basically a tin can.

That's impressive triva tho VX220. I wonder what you've forgotten to remember that ? laugh
Oh, don't make me think about it! I'm nearly 50, and I always warn the new starters at our firm to not sit next to me at the Xmas do (post-covid, of course)

If only my spannering skills match my useless, geek knowledge, I'd be out building cars like yours!

vx220

2,689 posts

233 months

Wednesday 6th January 2021
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/1745100735

Maybe not as impossible or unlikely as I imagined...

TheConverted

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2,214 posts

153 months

Wednesday 6th January 2021
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vx220 said:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/c/1745100735

Maybe not as impossible or unlikely as I imagined...
that's on my watch list now, good spot. I'm not convinced in its ability under hard cornering though? if it do go for injection in the future id be nervous about that. Ive been looking at these, as its a 2 litre tank. and it will fit under the floor.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2L-Aluminium-Surge-tank...

i have run the pump and filter king fuel bowel dry before. on a long right hander.

944 Man

1,741 posts

131 months

Wednesday 6th January 2021
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TheConverted said:
If I'm honest though, the 120/130 topend it would do now is plenty in what is basically a tin can.
At another time, in another world, I regularly drove mine at 110mph. I wouldn't want to do that now and I certainly wouldn't want to go faster in one. I don't know too much about the crumple zones, but I believe that they're connected to you knee bone and your hip bone...