Cascade Indigo 4.0 Tuscan Mk1
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PrinceRupert said:
I started looking at cheaper Chims but they didn't appeal so much. I was then looking at Corvette C5s but didn't find a decent one. Then this came up, a bit of man maths...
I have another thread on my Peugeot 205 which is my attempt to teach myself some spannering. I'm pretty amateur but would try a few things on the Tuscan - changing pads and discs for example. I think its right that the speed six is more complex than the rover v8 but let's be honest I wouldnt be rebuilding either myself so not sure it matters so much. You will be aware the speed six is not the most reliable powerplant (it is the most powerful production 6 cylinder ever I believe!) So I'd only buy one that had been rebuilt by str8 six or powers performance (mine has a bill for full rebuild for 8.4k - cheaper rebuilds might be top end ony). Quite a few were apparently rebuilt by the factory but not to a great standard. Other than the complex engine I'm not sure the tuscan is hugely more expensive to run than the Chimaera? Str8six reckoned about 1500 a year - 390 small service/ 890 big service alternate years/6000 miles - obviously provided engine doesn't pop or chassis needs a body off refurb.
If accurate, ca. £1500/year for maintenance on a Tuscan does sound extremely tempting, so if I can find one that’s had at least some of the big ticket items done already...I have another thread on my Peugeot 205 which is my attempt to teach myself some spannering. I'm pretty amateur but would try a few things on the Tuscan - changing pads and discs for example. I think its right that the speed six is more complex than the rover v8 but let's be honest I wouldnt be rebuilding either myself so not sure it matters so much. You will be aware the speed six is not the most reliable powerplant (it is the most powerful production 6 cylinder ever I believe!) So I'd only buy one that had been rebuilt by str8 six or powers performance (mine has a bill for full rebuild for 8.4k - cheaper rebuilds might be top end ony). Quite a few were apparently rebuilt by the factory but not to a great standard. Other than the complex engine I'm not sure the tuscan is hugely more expensive to run than the Chimaera? Str8six reckoned about 1500 a year - 390 small service/ 890 big service alternate years/6000 miles - obviously provided engine doesn't pop or chassis needs a body off refurb.
Squirrelofwoe said:
If you are paying specialists to do the work for you then it's easy to rack up expenditure on either to be honest- my Chimaera has eaten £8k since 2016, although that did include an engine rebuild at £5k. That said, the same rebuild on the Tuscan would be around £9k.
Our Tuscan has receipts for just shy of £30k since 2004, but that includes the engine rebuild at £9k. So around £21k spent over 16 years on servicing / MOTs / general upkeep, which is less than £1.5k a year. Doesn't sound so bad.
Our Chimaera I've spent £8k on- if we ignore the £5k engine rebuild that's £3k spent in 4.5 years, so less than £700 a year for servicing / MOTs / general upkeep.
Basically as long as you can avoid the big ticket items in your ownership (engine rebuild, major chassis work) then there isn't much to fear
Look at it this way, they are a 20+ year old sports car with a lot of performance (a LOT in the case of the Tuscan), and I'd say the running costs are less than you'd expect to pay for an equivalent aged Porsche 911 or similar.
My budget would get me into a decent Chimaera, and leave enough to replace the outriggers; or a T model and nothing left for any more expensive repairs...Our Tuscan has receipts for just shy of £30k since 2004, but that includes the engine rebuild at £9k. So around £21k spent over 16 years on servicing / MOTs / general upkeep, which is less than £1.5k a year. Doesn't sound so bad.
Our Chimaera I've spent £8k on- if we ignore the £5k engine rebuild that's £3k spent in 4.5 years, so less than £700 a year for servicing / MOTs / general upkeep.
Basically as long as you can avoid the big ticket items in your ownership (engine rebuild, major chassis work) then there isn't much to fear
Look at it this way, they are a 20+ year old sports car with a lot of performance (a LOT in the case of the Tuscan), and I'd say the running costs are less than you'd expect to pay for an equivalent aged Porsche 911 or similar.
Both those average figures for maintenance sound better than what I was expecting though!
Lovely car OP, love a bit of mad paint. Love the Atlantis one too.
Mine is an odd grey and near 100k so not like the stellar examples here. Two reasons really: I want to get dirty with the mechanics of it (ideally body off in my garage!) and I also wanted to truly pick my own interior and exterior colour and options in the future.
That being said I am £2k lighter after it's 12k service because of some previous bodging and a gaz shocker going pop as they lifted it on the ramp.
Mine is an odd grey and near 100k so not like the stellar examples here. Two reasons really: I want to get dirty with the mechanics of it (ideally body off in my garage!) and I also wanted to truly pick my own interior and exterior colour and options in the future.
That being said I am £2k lighter after it's 12k service because of some previous bodging and a gaz shocker going pop as they lifted it on the ramp.
bobsavage789 said:
My budget would get me into a decent Chimaera, and leave enough to replace the outriggers; or a T model and nothing left for any more expensive repairs...
Both those average figures for maintenance sound better than what I was expecting though!
In fairness it will never likely be a consistent £1.5k a year, but if you worked on the basis of putting that aside each year you should be fine if/when you get a £2k bill for the 12k service for example or you need the clutch replacing etc. But then you might spend very little over the subsequent couple of years allowing you to build the pot up again.Both those average figures for maintenance sound better than what I was expecting though!
I would certainly say from a personal point of view that I find the bills much easier to stomach on the Tuscan than the Chimaera, even if they are bigger. That's simply because the Tuscan feels properly exotic- driving it around you genuinely feel like you are in a supercar. People stop and stare, wave at you from other cars- we had someone filming us leaving a petrol station (fortunately I didn't stall!), it is that sort of car. It makes you feel like a movie star just popping to the shops to buy toilet roll
The Chimaera, as wonderful as it is, just isn't quite at that level. For me it's more like owning a classic car with modern performance and a glorious soundtrack (the Speed6 will never sound that good), perfect for a lazy drive to a nice Cotswolds pub on a sunny Sunday afternoon
PrinceRupert said:
..... hopefully it's a good one.
They're all good ones, they get under your skin. Those that are well maintained (and they are not standard cars with 20k service intervals) tend to be reliable. the choice is yours;)Lat autumn I was looking to swap my Tuscan Mk1 - I'd had it over 10 years, Powers rebuild, suspension upgrades, interior retrim etc. and driven it all over the place, but we all get that "the grass is greener" feeling. I looked at all sorts but eventually saw the light, and traded it for an immaculate Mk1 Tuscan S in Reflex Charcoal.
Enjoy!
Thanks!
Any tips on how not to stick it backwards into a lampost in the first week are gratefully received
My most powerful cars to date have been a 197hp FN2 Type R and a 190hp 2.5 v6 Alfa 156, and my only RWD car a 140hp Fiat 124 Spider which couldnt break traction if you tried. Safe to say im a little apprehensive!
Any tips on how not to stick it backwards into a lampost in the first week are gratefully received
My most powerful cars to date have been a 197hp FN2 Type R and a 190hp 2.5 v6 Alfa 156, and my only RWD car a 140hp Fiat 124 Spider which couldnt break traction if you tried. Safe to say im a little apprehensive!Edited by PrinceRupert on Monday 8th February 21:45
PrinceRupert said:
Any tips on how not to stick it backwards into a lampost in the first week are gratefully received
Be very, very careful in winter. Cold tyres and damp roads don't suit an 1100kg car with 340hp under the right foot and no driver aids. Just enjoy the noise and presence then open it up when its warm & dry (although can still bite). Certainly an experience like no other.PrinceRupert said:
Thanks!
Any tips on how not to stick it backwards into a lampost in the first week are gratefully received My most powerful cars to date have been a 197hp FN2 Type R and a 190hp 2.5 v6 Alfa 156, and my only RWD car a 140hp Fiat 124 Spider which couldnt break traction if you tried. Safe to say im a little apprehensive!
What Speed 3 said above, current conditions are not really ideal. The throttle pedal travel is long so that you have to consciously give it full throttle, treat that progressively (not like an on/off switch) and you'll be OK. Any tips on how not to stick it backwards into a lampost in the first week are gratefully received
My most powerful cars to date have been a 197hp FN2 Type R and a 190hp 2.5 v6 Alfa 156, and my only RWD car a 140hp Fiat 124 Spider which couldnt break traction if you tried. Safe to say im a little apprehensive!Edited by PrinceRupert on Monday 8th February 21:45
And just to set you mind at rest, the car was designed with its reputation in mind. The smoothly rounded rear and flowing design means that if you do go backwards through a hedge, the hole it produces will be very neat........
https://www.powderfx.co.uk/product/rota-bronze/
This is the colour I have suggested for the wheels. I think it will look good, fairly understated, tie in with the colours of the paint. But we will see. . .
Waiting anxiously to get an eta as to when it will be with me! A bit glad I don't have it now, the temptation to drive it in the snow would be too tempting!
That colour looks good- looking forward to seeing it on the car!
If it makes you feel any better we've not been out in ours since collecting it from it's service at Str8six back at the start of Jan, and before then it was the end of October since it was last out with any kind of regularity. The combo of weather and the various lockdowns has kept it firmly under wraps for the last couple of months.
Here's looking forward to the spring and hopefully some dry weather.
If it makes you feel any better we've not been out in ours since collecting it from it's service at Str8six back at the start of Jan, and before then it was the end of October since it was last out with any kind of regularity. The combo of weather and the various lockdowns has kept it firmly under wraps for the last couple of months.
Here's looking forward to the spring and hopefully some dry weather.
Will be long three weeks! Hopefully just in time for some sunny Spring weather...So, a car got its cat nicked right in front of my house this evening. Has made me slightly nervous about having such a flash car on my drive tbh. Would quite like to get it out of sight somehow...blasted planning not allowing me doors on my carport. Hopefully blocking it in my drive with my other car and the security camera will put them off...
Speed 3 said:
I wouldn't worry too much TBH, nobody in their right mind is going to nick a TVR, bugger all market to shift it to nor any major market for parts. Just about the only theft I've ever heard of is a set of one of the rarer wheels from a Griff which were off the car anyway.
So after the theft of the cat earlier this week, went out to my shed today to find someone had tried (unsuccessfully, luckily) to break into my shed! Screws removed, splintered wood from efforts to pry the door. Defeated by a security bolt, luckily the would-be robbers were incompetent as if they'd pried the staple they'd have had no problem. Plus they did it with a screwdriver (found a broken blade) rather than a crowbar ...Plus, I have security cameras, they covered their faces, but popped up the stills on the local facebook page and had one of the two reprobates names within the hour. Hopefully the police do something about it.
Been in the house a year, and in the two weeks after I put a deposit down on the Tuscan I experience my first two crimes! Makes me slightly nervous but can't let it change how you live your life ...
In good news, the car will be on my drive on Friday!
Edited by PrinceRupert on Saturday 27th February 20:17
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