Porsche 911 997.1 Daily Driver

Porsche 911 997.1 Daily Driver

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AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Thursday 18th August 2022
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I think your man maths needs some work - I'd definitely be classing the exhaust as a mod, or at the very least, classing £250 (replacement second hand OEM?) as maintenance and the rest as a mod tongue out

adean22

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245 posts

30 months

Friday 19th August 2022
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AyBee said:
I think your man maths needs some work - I'd definitely be classing the exhaust as a mod, or at the very least, classing £250 (replacement second hand OEM?) as maintenance and the rest as a mod tongue out
That's the best thing about man math's though, I can just class the exhaust as maintenance smile

AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Friday 19th August 2022
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That makes your running costs more expensive though, I'd be classing it as mods to keep the running costs down in my head laugh

adean22

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245 posts

30 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2022
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Cars running great now after the work iv put in over the last month or so, I'm embarking on a trip to Cornwall in it in the early hours of the morning so will be interesting to see how it is for 5 hours in the car, I'm going in convoy with a friend in a campervan so I'm hoping to make the 350 miles there in one tank of fuel.

The roof bars have gone back onto the car and iv got to say, I do think it looks fantastic with them.



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Since the car has freshly been serviced I thought id pop over to a local Porsche Specialist (Unique Porsche) to plug their computer in to read over revs etc. Granted if anything did show up bad then there wasn't much I can do but I was curious to see what it would show. Unique Porsche is like heaven when you walk in:


Here are the over revs results: (for non Porsche people the ECU stores data on the rev ranges that the car has hit - its a good way of seeing if any mis shifts have happened. )








So the car has never hit rev limit 4 or above which was great to see. Ranges 1-3 are common with hard driving and hitting the limiter. Anything range 4+ is associated with a mis shift. This shows that the car has never had a "money shift" and i'm pretty happy that ranges 4,5,6 are clear.

The other thing the computer did was check the mileage to see if its ever been clocked - it shows circa 160000 as its in KM. This was also nice to see that the car had never been clocked.


Whilst the computer was plugged in we made it so the sports chrono clock illuminates when the side/head lights are on - this looks great at night and its such a shame it doesn't illuminate with the lights from factory.

Iv got to say the guys at Unique Porsche are fantastic and friendly and for anything I cant/wont do myself my car will be going to them. Darren had all the time in the world for me and answered loads of questions I had and I cant thank him enough.

ballans

790 posts

105 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2022
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Amazing work you have done, impressive.
Rev range read out is good news. I know me and my wife accidentally bounced it off the rev limiter a couple of times but nothing serious.
Enjoy your Cornwall trip. Some good driving roads if you can avoid the tourists (they call them Emmets). Just avoid peak times and trunk roads and you can find the good stuff. Crossing the county coast to coast can be a bit of fun.

adean22

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245 posts

30 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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800 miles completed successfully in the last 5 days. As a group we had a small convoy down to Cornwall with rather varied vehicle types:

At least with the presence of the MX5 it was nice to know we had a mobile hairdresser if needed.

The T4 has less power than my pedal bike and has the aerodynamics of a large brick so progress was slow but steady, I normally try and make progress as quickly as possible but it was nice in this instance to sit back and chill at a steady speed and enjoy the scenery.

Its the longest journey iv done in the 911 and I have no complaints with how it ate up the miles. Its my first car with cruise control and was a blessing through all the 50 and 60 roadwork zones.

The weather in Cornwall (Perranporth to be precise ) was spot on, however more drinking happened than driving so the car didn't move much in Cornwall.


I was finishing my trip in Plymouth to meet a friend so I went via the coast roads and there was some fantastic views.


My favorite part was the Bodinnick ferry in Fowey. Its a small little ferry to cross the river Fowey. My first attempt at getting on it came to an end when my front splitter looked like it was gonna be ripped off when getting onto it. I had to wait till high tide so the angle was better to drive on.





After this ferry it was more coast roads until I got to the Torpoint ferry crossing. This ferry interested me a lot, its chain driven so its basically a floating bridge in a way.


After spending a day and a night in Plymouth it was time to head home, there was one issue with the car on the way back. At certain rpms and under certain loads the clutch appears to slip a few hundred rpm. Sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't so there is definitely something up. I took it easy going home and made it home without breaking down. I'm a keen mechanic but I don't trust myself doing a clutch on my driveway so I'll pop into Unique Porsche Specialist and have a see what they think.

I do worry that the flywheel will want replacing aswell due to the mileage of the car, bit of an unexpected cost but atleast once its done its then sorted for many years to come.


adean22

Original Poster:

245 posts

30 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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Cars being dropped off at the specialist tonight for them to investigate the issue - gonna have a check of the RMS and IMS aswell whilst gearbox is out. My IMS does have a slight weep so I imagine this will be changed.

There's also some brake lines and coolant lines and starter cable that are all known to need replacing at my cars age so we are going to have a look at them aswell. These go over the engine so if the engine was to be lowered to do these now would be the time to do it.

Probably a big bill incoming but atleast the car will be sorted

Edited by adean22 on Tuesday 30th August 14:04


Edited by adean22 on Tuesday 30th August 14:05

adean22

Original Poster:

245 posts

30 months

Wednesday 31st August 2022
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Update from the specialist

Clutch is dead and worn down a lot but flywheel is fine so that's a relief.
There's an oil leak from the RMS / IMS area - I picked up on this when I serviced it. So the RMS and IMS housing seal is being changed. In good news though the IMS looks to be fine and no issues whatsoever with it - from a visual inspection
There's also a badly corroded cable connection to the starter motor so that's being replaced which may solve the slow start issue. However they have also said it may be the starter that's the issue - we are going to do the cable and go from there.

I'm really impressed with the service from the specialist , in just over 12 hours since dropping my car off they've got the gearbox out and have diagnosed my issue, aswell as documenting it with photos.
Plus a phone call to check what work can be carried out before they do it is always a nice gesture. Hopefully ill get the car back in the next few days.

Edited by adean22 on Wednesday 31st August 14:20

Matt-88h42

1 posts

58 months

Friday 2nd September 2022
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What a fantastic owners blog you have written, it has been really interesting reading about your issues and mods to date. It’s so nice to see someone using and enjoying the car daily and fixing / upgrading the important parts, not just worrying about looks and depreciation.

I also daily drive a MY07 Atlas Grey 997.1 C2S with turbo wheels from the factory, main differences to your car are the sand beige interior and rear wiper.

Like you I also think the turbo wheels suit this car and look 10 times better in the flesh than in any photos. They’re not bad to keep clean either as you can’t see the brake dust on the insides.

Mine came with a Designtek switchable exhaust which sounds great in both standard and loud modes. I also have a Mobridge fitted to the original PCM which works well enough and the Bose system sounds great but the controls are very dated and not so user friendly.

I bought mine in May and have driven around 2k miles so far with no maintenance to report other than a punctured rear tyre which could not be repaired, luckily I found a matching P Zero N2 spec with the same 6mm tread depth on eBay for just £35.

After reading this I might change the engine mounts soon to see if it improves the gearshift. I also have a weep on the IMS/RMS which I will investigate when the clutch gives up. The larger turbo discs are another appealing mod but mine are all new so won’t be getting replaced for a few years yet.

Please keep posting, it’s been a brilliant read so I far and for me, an education for what I might have to come as my miles pile up, I’m currently at 66k.



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Edited by Matt-88h42 on Friday 2nd September 01:02

adean22

Original Poster:

245 posts

30 months

Friday 2nd September 2022
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Matt-88h42 said:
What a fantastic owners blog you have written, it has been really interesting reading about your issues and mods to date. It’s so nice to see someone using and enjoying the car daily and fixing / upgrading the important parts, not just worrying about looks and depreciation.

I also daily drive a MY07 Atlas Grey 997.1 C2S with turbo wheels from the factory, main differences to your car are the sand beige interior and rear wiper.

Like you I also think the turbo wheels suit this car and look 10 times better in the flesh than in any photos. They’re not bad to keep clean either as you can’t see the brake dust on the insides.

Mine came with a Designtek switchable exhaust which sounds great in both standard and loud modes. I also have a Mobridge fitted to the original PCM which works well enough and the Bose system sounds great but the controls are very dated and not so user friendly.

I bought mine in May and have driven around 2k miles so far with no maintenance to report other than a punctured rear tyre which could not be repaired, luckily I found a matching P Zero N2 spec with the same 6mm tread depth on eBay for just £35.

After reading this I might change the engine mounts soon to see if it improves the gearshift. I also have a weep on the IMS/RMS which I will investigate when the clutch gives up. The larger turbo discs are another appealing mod but mine are all new so won’t be getting replaced for a few years yet.

Please keep posting, it’s been a brilliant read so I far and for me, an education for what I might have to come as my miles pile up, I’m currently at 66k.



Edited by Matt-88h42 on Friday 2nd September 01:01


Edited by Matt-88h42 on Friday 2nd September 01:02
Thankyou for your positive, your car looks stunning but I may be biased smile

In regards to engine mounts Its not uncommon for them to break and leave half your engine dropped which no one wants so its worth doing them for piece of mind. The way the mounts are mounted, the engine hangs off them as oppose to sitting on them so if they do fail your engine is literally dropping down. If I was to change them again I'm not sure if I would stick with oem or semi solid mounts, the semi solid mounts have more vibration at idle and when the aircon is on the vibration gets worse, just something to bear in mind if you go for them.

If you read my next post you'll be able to see the IMS and RMS when the gearbox is out

adean22

Original Poster:

245 posts

30 months

Friday 2nd September 2022
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Collected my car last night from the Porsche Specialist, was a nice surprise to see they had cleaned the inside and outside of the car and it was spotless throughout.

Car ended up with new clutch kit (clutch, pressure plate and release bearing), new IMS flange seal, new RMS seal, new timing bungs (the engine has to be timed up before removing the IMS flange or something like that) and a 12v power cable was fixed as it was badly corroded.

Here is the view of the engine with the gearbox out



You can see a lot of oil build up from either the IMS or the RMS - hard to tell which one it is. However the choice was to replace both seals as the gearbox was already out and the parts costs next to nothing.

The wire that was fixed was heavily corroded and was barely making contact with the terminal anymore



The old clutch was very worn down and was close to being down to the rivets in some parts





What's interesting is the wear on the clutch isn't perfectly even and the clutch pressure plate housing wasn't sitting flush with the bit where the release bearing sits. Its like something within the pressure plate had broken or bent causing the clutch to be sitting about 1 degree out of parallel to the flywheel. This explains the judder I was getting through my clutch pedal.

The clutch feels way way way better now, its a lot lighter and way smoother, only know do i realize how bad the clutch has been for the last few months.
Here is the box of old parts that came off the car:





Iv got to say Unique Porsche Specialists in Bolton are great, they are so knowledgeable on these cars and their customer service is the best iv ever had. They gave my car a full valet, did all the work and even programmed in my windows to open and close with my unlock/lock button. All the work came to a very reasonable price aswell, and the fact they took picture's of the work and kept the old parts to explain and show me what had gone wrong is fantastic.


Ownership cost update

So after the clutch etc has been done I'm now sitting at spending £4,412 on fixing the car plus a few mods (about 800 quid of mods). Ill be honest, that's more than I expected in less than a year - not a complaint just an observation. Think the purchase price of these cars is probably the cheapest part about them compared to running one.

Since I have new tyres, clutch, exhausts and all the other work that's been done I'm hoping for the next year to cost less than this year. It may not and I'm fine if not as its worth every penny.


Now time to save up for and plan a trip to the Nürburgring next year.

rob1234

854 posts

197 months

Saturday 3rd September 2022
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Great thread - I've had a similar 997.1 C4S since March and am loving it.

Silly question, but what mesh did you use for the bumper? Trying to to decide metal vs plastic and mesh size...!

adean22

Original Poster:

245 posts

30 months

Saturday 3rd September 2022
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rob1234 said:
Great thread - I've had a similar 997.1 C4S since March and am loving it.

Silly question, but what mesh did you use for the bumper? Trying to to decide metal vs plastic and mesh size...!
I used plastic mesh, I think it's made for gutters to be honest but It does the job, metal would be harder to work with and get to shape

adean22

Original Poster:

245 posts

30 months

Tuesday 20th September 2022
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Cars running better than ever with the new clutch and is coming up to 102,500 miles. The MOT is due in a few weeks so I need to get that booked - its always nerve racking fetching a car to its first MOT in your ownership but it should be fine, fingers crossed.

When my car was in at the specialist for the clutch, it was noted that the exhaust clamps were the wrong kind - they were for a 996 not a 997.

On inspection you could see some black around the clamp so they were leaking slightly. The specialist recommended that I go for OEM Porsche clamps as they find all the other start to rust away after a few years but the OEM ones don't. Plus the OEM ones are about £70 as oppose to about £40 for aftermarket so they are only £30 extra .



Luckily I knew everything would come undone easily as it had only recently been in bits when I did the exhaust.

New VS Old



Setting about swapping them out:

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New clamps are on and no more leaks, the car is also a bit quieter so that shows it was leaking slightly before. I also added some copper slip to the new clamps to prevent them getting stuck on the exhaust in years to come. I also orientated the clamps the correct way this time. When I fitted the exhaust I installed the clamps back to how they were when I got the car but when my clutch was done it was noted that the clamps were the wrong way round (didn't change the function - just annoyed peoples OCD) .

So the clamps are now the correct clamps as well as being installed in the correct orientation.

Edited by adean22 on Tuesday 20th September 12:09

adean22

Original Poster:

245 posts

30 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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The car has finally been brought into the 21st century with a double din android auto/carplay. Id become fed up of using one of them FM transmitters and knowing i want to go round Europe in the car next year it only made sense to install a proper android auto/carplay radio.
I went for the Pioneer SPH DA360 DAB Radio. For around 430 quid I believe its good value as it has wireless car play/android auto. This way i can keep my phone in my pocket and when I sit on my car it will automatically start android auto without me even needing to plug the phone in.
I needed a double din fascia to go around the radio so I ordered one from ebay and it was only about 35 quid.
Radio install was really easy to wire up as the standard ISO plugs off the old radio plugged straight into the new ones. Plus as the previous owner had a double din radio installed at some point there was already a dab aerial wired in and a 12v from an ignition feed. Also as my car doesn't have the bose system no expensive adapter leads are required so that made life easier.

Here is the radio installed and I think it look's great, looks fairly stock in my opinion. Far better than the old PCM unit that looked like something out of the 90s



The radio has been great so far and its great having sat nav+ bluetooth all built in. Next job is to upgrade the speakers as the speakers aren't the best in the car. Only slight annoyance is the fact that the surround is ever so slightly a different shade, this could be due to the texture. In most lights it looks the same but in certain lighting and photos it does look a little different. It doesn't annoy me too much and i can hardly notice the difference anyway.

Another annoyance is the lack of a volume knob, I knew this before installing it but i reckon I have a solution that ill give a go in the next few weeks

Iv also got a alcantara gear gaitor with red stitching coming this week - im gonna try and go with a subtle red theme inside the car to liven up the boring black interior.

When I get time ill also install a reversing camera, I have sensors so its not needed but it would be a nice little touch.


I also attended a Porsche day at Jamine Porschalink on sunday, the owner turned up in something rather special, the first time I had ever seen one in the flesh.







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Edited by adean22 on Monday 26th September 13:28

Rethw

23 posts

142 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Great work, I fitted the exact same head unit a couple of months ago to my 987 Cayman S, unfortunately with the added expense of the Bose set up. Interested to hear your solution for the volume controls, it is quite distracting trying to locate the volume buttons.

355spider

88 posts

27 months

Monday 26th September 2022
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Random, however was you in Manchester City centre on a Fri/Saturday night couple of weeks ago in a baseball cap in this?


Craikeybaby

10,403 posts

225 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Rethw said:
Great work, I fitted the exact same head unit a couple of months ago to my 987 Cayman S, unfortunately with the added expense of the Bose set up. Interested to hear your solution for the volume controls, it is quite distracting trying to locate the volume buttons.
How did you solve the Bose issue?

ballans

790 posts

105 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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I’ve still got got the surround for a kenwood double din and I think the colour match was pretty good. Should be the same fit.
You’re welcome to it if you want it, pm your address and I’ll post.

Rethw

23 posts

142 months

Tuesday 27th September 2022
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Craikeybaby said:
How did you solve the Bose issue?
Stumped up for the Connects 2 fitting kit, stupidly expensive for a few small plastic boxes, but the fitting was so much easier no need for a separate ignition feed etc.