Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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When I get a chance, I'm going to get the DPF off it, either build it into a silencer (if I can find some sound absorption material which can handle the heat) or run a straight pipe through the middle of it. Once that's done it should be easier to compare it with another F-Pace. I'll probably just find a local dealer selling one.
I'm fairly confident with it at the point, it's done a fair few miles. I'm going to get an oil sample tested, just to make sure it's healthy.
I'm fairly confident with it at the point, it's done a fair few miles. I'm going to get an oil sample tested, just to make sure it's healthy.
5s Alive said:
Shortly after the F Pace was released I suggested that a friend considered it for his next company car, based largely on magazine reviews and Jaguars own description of their 'advanced' Ingenium engines.
After what was supposed to be an extended test drive (he cut it short) his comment was ''rough and harsh'' and ''you've never driven one have you''?
I did wonder if the largely aluminium structure contributes to the transmission of NVH.
I have to confirm this.After what was supposed to be an extended test drive (he cut it short) his comment was ''rough and harsh'' and ''you've never driven one have you''?
I did wonder if the largely aluminium structure contributes to the transmission of NVH.
Before my F-Pace's engine lunched itself, it wasn't exactly silent at all.
In fact, during the first meters in the rental Audi A6 I was provided after the event, I thought I was suffering partial hear loss. (turning its awesome stereo system on, it was clear that the Jag just had been bloody loud). The current BMW X4-shaped replacement is also significantly more silent (yet horrendously ugly,imho).
Escy said:
When I get a chance, I'm going to get the DPF off it, either build it into a silencer (if I can find some sound absorption material which can handle the heat) or run a straight pipe through the middle of it. Once that's done it should be easier to compare it with another F-Pace. I'll probably just find a local dealer selling one.
I'm fairly confident with it at the point, it's done a fair few miles. I'm going to get an oil sample tested, just to make sure it's healthy.
Just gut it and reweld. It'd not be appreciably louderI'm fairly confident with it at the point, it's done a fair few miles. I'm going to get an oil sample tested, just to make sure it's healthy.
The comment about the noise being due to the Aluminium block is a valid point.
I went to the LUK factory in Germany when the dual mass flywheels were becoming common place. The engineers explained this was in response to replacing heavy cast blocks with at first thinner cast iron and then alloy.
The old blocks soaked up noise and vibration but now they need balancer shafts, harmonic front pullies, the aforementioned DM flywheels and often hydraulic mountings which again try to stop the noise from being transmitted.
Add in that they now rev higher and you can see why. Clearly some manage noise better than others in car. My old Jag X type outside sounded like a tractor but inside was quiet.
Yesterday I went on a factory tour of the Range Rover line at Solihull. I mentioned the engine problems that were being mentioned on line. The response was that poor servicing was most likely cause for failures but it was not a big issue. The BMW V8 engined ones would be my choice.
I went to the LUK factory in Germany when the dual mass flywheels were becoming common place. The engineers explained this was in response to replacing heavy cast blocks with at first thinner cast iron and then alloy.
The old blocks soaked up noise and vibration but now they need balancer shafts, harmonic front pullies, the aforementioned DM flywheels and often hydraulic mountings which again try to stop the noise from being transmitted.
Add in that they now rev higher and you can see why. Clearly some manage noise better than others in car. My old Jag X type outside sounded like a tractor but inside was quiet.
Yesterday I went on a factory tour of the Range Rover line at Solihull. I mentioned the engine problems that were being mentioned on line. The response was that poor servicing was most likely cause for failures but it was not a big issue. The BMW V8 engined ones would be my choice.
spaximus said:
Yesterday I went on a factory tour of the Range Rover line at Solihull. I mentioned the engine problems that were being mentioned on line. The response was that poor servicing was most likely cause for failures but it was not a big issue.
I wonder what response you thought you might get from JLR? I'm surprised they didn't feign complete ignorance of any issue!A friend has a 2017 XJR and I do love the smooth torque it has, if not the blue lighting in the interior. I didn't try to change it when I drove it so don't know if you can. I wonder if it too, has a chocolate engine.
LunarOne said:
I wonder what response you thought you might get from JLR? I'm surprised they didn't feign complete ignorance of any issue!
A friend has a 2017 XJR and I do love the smooth torque it has, if not the blue lighting in the interior. I didn't try to change it when I drove it so don't know if you can. I wonder if it too, has a chocolate engine.
The JLR petrol engines same to have a much better reputation, though they are probably a lot rarer than the 2.0 diesel.A friend has a 2017 XJR and I do love the smooth torque it has, if not the blue lighting in the interior. I didn't try to change it when I drove it so don't know if you can. I wonder if it too, has a chocolate engine.
There is a 2017 XJ for sale locally with a blown engine. 3.0 diesel, my mechanic has warned me not to even think about it.
There's so much more reliable stuff out there, why would you put yourself through it? I'll never understand the mentality of someone educated enough to secure a job that pays well enough to allow the purchase of something expensive and not have the common sense to do due diligence prior to opening their wallet.
It's different in this case, I completely understand the reasons why the op did what he did, he has the mechanical know how to limit the financial damage, but generally that doesn't apply.
It's different in this case, I completely understand the reasons why the op did what he did, he has the mechanical know how to limit the financial damage, but generally that doesn't apply.
LunarOne said:
spaximus said:
Yesterday I went on a factory tour of the Range Rover line at Solihull. I mentioned the engine problems that were being mentioned on line. The response was that poor servicing was most likely cause for failures but it was not a big issue.
I wonder what response you thought you might get from JLR? I'm surprised they didn't feign complete ignorance of any issue!A friend has a 2017 XJR and I do love the smooth torque it has, if not the blue lighting in the interior. I didn't try to change it when I drove it so don't know if you can. I wonder if it too, has a chocolate engine.
Having said that the factory tour was good and you can see why hey cost so much to produce
spaximus said:
Yesterday I went on a factory tour of the Range Rover ................The response was that poor servicing was most likely cause for failures but it was not a big issue. ...........
I wonder what became of this from 18 Months ago or so ? It hadn't been serviced as it wasn't due !https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... "....14000 miles and due its first service at two years old in September."
Retailed as a low mileage dealer maintained nice example no doubt.
P. ONeill said:
LunarOne said:
I wonder what response you thought you might get from JLR? I'm surprised they didn't feign complete ignorance of any issue!
A friend has a 2017 XJR and I do love the smooth torque it has, if not the blue lighting in the interior. I didn't try to change it when I drove it so don't know if you can. I wonder if it too, has a chocolate engine.
The JLR petrol engines same to have a much better reputation, though they are probably a lot rarer than the 2.0 diesel.A friend has a 2017 XJR and I do love the smooth torque it has, if not the blue lighting in the interior. I didn't try to change it when I drove it so don't know if you can. I wonder if it too, has a chocolate engine.
There is a 2017 XJ for sale locally with a blown engine. 3.0 diesel, my mechanic has warned me not to even think about it.
Discovery, XF, XJ.
Buys them at auction, rebuilds the engine with a new crank, punts them on.
Nice earner with no customer hassle.
If you aren’t interested in this XJ he may be.
Escy said:
When I get a chance, I'm going to get the DPF off it, either build it into a silencer (if I can find some sound absorption material which can handle the heat) or run a straight pipe through the middle of it. Once that's done it should be easier to compare it with another F-Pace. I'll probably just find a local dealer selling one.
I'm fairly confident with it at the point, it's done a fair few miles. I'm going to get an oil sample tested, just to make sure it's healthy.
Hats off to you, brilliant write up and way to stick with it despite major hurdles to cross. Going through the same as you did with a old civic to use as a daily driver. Against my better judgement bought it from a kid, and like all good young kids they had used a hole saw through the bonnet for the turbo exhaust before swapping the turbo back out. Have a parts car of same generation which was my sons car that he ran into a curb while delivering pizza's in a storm.I'm fairly confident with it at the point, it's done a fair few miles. I'm going to get an oil sample tested, just to make sure it's healthy.
Almost ready to put it all back together. all new seals on the motor A/C put back on car and best parts between the two installed.
Awesome write up glad that it seems to be working out and the wife is enjoying her posh car!
rjracin240 said:
Hats off to you, brilliant write up and way to stick with it despite major hurdles to cross. Going through the same as you did with a old civic to use as a daily driver. Against my better judgement bought it from a kid, and like all good young kids they had used a hole saw through the bonnet for the turbo exhaust before swapping the turbo back out. Have a parts car of same generation which was my sons car that he ran into a curb while delivering pizza's in a storm.
Almost ready to put it all back together. all new seals on the motor A/C put back on car and best parts between the two installed.
Awesome write up glad that it seems to be working out and the wife is enjoying her posh car!
Thank you, good luck on the Civic.Almost ready to put it all back together. all new seals on the motor A/C put back on car and best parts between the two installed.
Awesome write up glad that it seems to be working out and the wife is enjoying her posh car!
normalbloke said:
Has the o/p sold it yet?
No, the Jag has been our main car since it passed the MOT. It has done 1000 miles, no disasters yet.. Still following my original plan, the Mini has been sold, the Cayenne is up for sale. Slight issue is I don't really want to sell the Cayenne. I love it, it's been brilliant and I know I'll regret it. The Jag is a similar size but not capable of towing like the Cayenne (and I wouldn't want to risk the extra load on a fragile engine) and a bit nice to loaded up to the gills on tip runs. The main issue with the Cayenne is I use it so sparingly the £55 a month to tax is a waste of money.cb31 said:
Escy said:
The car drives great, no issues at all but I find myself intently listening to the engine, it's still surprisingly loud, especially inside the cabin. I think it's probably just how they are but it gets on my nerves. I might see if I can find a local dealer selling one and have a listen to it for comparison.
I got collected from the station by the dealer in a brand new Velar while my Disco 4 was being serviced. I was gob-smacked at how rough and crap it sounded, £50k 6 years ago. I imagine yours is normal as it will be a similar age.Escy said:
The main issue with the Cayenne is I use it so sparingly the £55 a month to tax is a waste of money.
I convinced myself of something similar many year ago with fuel economy and kind of regretted it. If the car is reliable and does everything you need it to do, £55 per month is good value especially when you subtract the cost of taxing an alternative. Given my cousin’s Range Rover with the same engine has just failed I would be getting rid of the Jag ASAP and sticking with the Porker. SonicHedgeHog said:
I convinced myself of something similar many year ago with fuel economy and kind of regretted it. If the car is reliable and does everything you need it to do, £55 per month is good value especially when you subtract the cost of taxing an alternative. Given my cousin’s Range Rover with the same engine has just failed I would be getting rid of the Jag ASAP and sticking with the Porker.
+1SonicHedgeHog said:
I convinced myself of something similar many year ago with fuel economy and kind of regretted it. If the car is reliable and does everything you need it to do, £55 per month is good value especially when you subtract the cost of taxing an alternative. Given my cousin’s Range Rover with the same engine has just failed I would be getting rid of the Jag ASAP and sticking with the Porker.
It's not just the tax, it's the fuel economy. If my wife used that as a daily it'd cost a fortune, for the driving she does it'd be about 18mpg. I did 4k miles in it last year, a decent chunk of that towing so I can justify it when it's being useful.Gtom said:
If the cayenne needs to be more economical why not sell the jag and get a diesel cayenne?
I'd like one but I think a diesel Cayenne wouldn't be economical enough either, it'd be way better than my 4.8 petrol but not compared to the Jaguar. Austin_Metro said:
There’s also the sound issue with diesel f-pace … an svr f-pace parked next to me this morning and I thought that looked like Escy’s next car. Sounded great.
I wish. The family car can be boring, as long as it's economical and reliable (not sure the Jag ticks that box?!). I've got my Boxster for the fun stuff.As it stands I'm happy with the Jaguar, it's a lovely car to drive and the economy is alright. I'm still going to modify the empty DPF when I get a chance and see if that improves the sound situation. If it doesn't, and it still sounds like a bag of spanners that will change my feelings towards it. I'm also going to get the oil tested.
The Cayenne will need to go, I don't need a daily driver and I've got the Boxster which I want to use more often. The ace card on the Cayenne is towing but I'm not doing loads of it so if I add the cost of taxing the car, fuel and my time, it doesn't really stack up compared to just paying someone anyway.
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