RE: 2023 Aston Martin DB12 spied testing at the 'ring

RE: 2023 Aston Martin DB12 spied testing at the 'ring

Friday 24th March 2023

2023 Aston Martin DB12 spied testing at the 'ring

As the DB11's replacement heads to Nurburgring, here's what we know so far...


If you’ve watched the first two races of the 2023 Formula 1 season, you’ll know that Aston Martin has been something of a sensation. From last year’s seventh in the championship it currently lies second, tied on points with the once all-conquering Mercedes-AMG team. This is no fluke, either. It’s on merit and, to underline the team's strength, comes despite Lance Stroll’s retirement from last weekend’s race in Saudi. The AMR23 is genuinely the second-quickest car on the grid right now, but will that jump in performance be reflected in the company’s road cars?

Lawrence Stroll, billionaire owner and chairman of Aston Martin, has made noises that the current range needs serious improvements, and updates are indeed in the pipeline. Back in January, Stroll said the revised range will be "what those cars should have always felt like" and the first in line for revisions will be the DB11. So heavy is the update that it’s likely to be rebadged as the DB12 when the production version arrives at the end of this year.

The DB12 has already undergone cold-weather testing in Sweden and most recently PH has spied prototypes running at a little-known track in Germany – the Nordschleife, anyone? Stroll Snr had suggested “There's no similarity at all to the current cars," but looking at the camo-wrapped bodywork that’s perhaps a little overstating it. It’s still a DB11 in form, and that indicates at best it's a wholesome facelift rather than an all-new car. In fact, it’s difficult to distinguish huge differences between the prototype and the current DB11, although maybe that’s a smoke and mirrors game.

The splitter and front grille appear to be similar to the DB11’s (praise be there’s no sign of the Vantage’s gopping fish mouth), although the clamshell bonnet has gone. It’s now a separate panel between the front wings that finishes above the nose cone. Just like the DB11 V12, there are two thin cooling vents either side of the central power bulge, but the DB11’s extra vents above the front wheels have gone. The DB11’s heavily sculpted sides and floating roof remain, as do the twin exhausts and general aesthetics at the back end. Don’t be surprised if there are more distinct detail changes once the wraps come off – new headlights and the like.

It's understood that most of the changes will be skin deep. We’re talking revised suspension, and the wonders bestowed on the DBX707 show that Aston’s current team of engineers is very capable of honing a setup. And there's other good news: the 5.2-litre V12 stays. Or at least that’s the mood music coming out of Gaydon. Autocar reported earlier this year Aston Martin product and marketing boss, Alex Long, saying the V12 was “synonymous with the brand” with “a huge emotional connection for the customers”. Hurrah.

The Mercedes 4.0-litre V8, which will almost certainly continue to be second choice, has stacks of appeal, too, and expect both engines to have the wick turned up. The DBS770 showed the AE31 V12’s potential for at least 770hp and the DBX707 demonstrates what the M177 V8 can reach. Don’t expect that much from the DB12, mind; more likely are modest uplifts over the DB11’s 535hp (V8) and 638hp (V12) numbers.

Arguably, the DB11’s weakest area is its interior, so expect a significant change there. Stroll has already said, “How can you have an Aston Martin that sells for £150,000 with three-year-old technology?” So we can surely expect a big update to the infotainment system, which will hopefully include better screens and an improved interface, as well as additional bespoke software to differentiate it from its Mercedes’ MBUX underpinnings. It will also have “our own voices” with “a proper English accent’, said Stroll. With that and a smarter interior, this could at last be an Aston Martin DB11 that delivers on every last bit of potential. It'll just be called the DB12... 


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WCZ

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10,523 posts

194 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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not sure what it'd have to have over a db11 that would draw me in as styling looks very similar

pycraft

778 posts

184 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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"tied on points with the once all-concurring Mercedes-AMG team"

Conquering, surely? Or did they just agree with everybody?

varsas

4,010 posts

202 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I hope they haven't changed too much on the outside, I think the current car looks great. If they try and make it agressive it'll lose it's elegance and I'm not sure that would be the right directionfor an Aston Martin anyway. They just need to sort out the interior. I haven't heard huge issues with the way it drives since the 'AMR' revisions so not sure it needs anything dramatic in that area?

The Wookie

13,946 posts

228 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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pycraft said:
"tied on points with the once all-concurring Mercedes-AMG team"

Conquering, surely? Or did they just agree with everybody?
I didn't think the Germans were into battles of horse chestnuts on the end of bits of string

SmartVenom

462 posts

169 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Surely the DB11 has at least another 10 years before it needs updating.

pycraft

778 posts

184 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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SmartVenom said:
Surely the DB11 has at least another 10 years before it needs updating.
I think it had precisely until the Roma came along and stole its breakfast.

siwhit

59 posts

181 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Please let that small grille be as it will appear and no gopping fish mouth

Spiros115

347 posts

50 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Hoping this is a case of smoke and mirrors and that the final styling is more of a depart. I am in no doubt the accompanying press release would talk about 99% of panels being different but as an overall design this might as well have been done on tracing paper, even down to the slits behind the wheel arches which is a definitive detail of DB11s profile.

A lots been made of these “refreshes” and feels like Aston are taking an age with it so would be pretty underwhelming to get a new name on the smallest of design iterations.


Speedraser

1,656 posts

183 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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This will hopefully be very appealing. Crucially, with the V12, Aston's own engine remains. But the new car will have a nose cone -- that's disappointing. The DB11 and DBS (and all the previous, VH-generation cars) don't have a nose cone -- the bonnet and wings go all the way forward. That looks so much better (no shut lines) AND requires the kind of craftsmanship that makes Astons special. Losing that must be because it's cheaper to make, and that's a shame.

matrignano

4,365 posts

210 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Is it an actual new car?
Looks like a DB11 with a slightly revised front end

smilo996

2,787 posts

170 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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It sounds like Stroll has been on a marketing and PR course.
The 12 looks much like the 11 and with Merc underpinnings inside and out, a revolution seems unlikely. Though more wood and Britlike cosmetics seem likely.
Valkurie is done and dusted, so no changes there. DBS is based on the 11. Valhalla seems like an unlikely candidate for a make over.
DBX is a year old and again, much too early for a massive make over.

The Vantage.......needs new lights.

Aston in F1 have done well from the new rules. Let's see where hey are at season end.

TheOctaneAddict

759 posts

47 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Such a great looking car, here's hoping the interior is where the largest chunk of development effort goes.

bluemason

1,070 posts

123 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Speedraser said:
This will hopefully be very appealing. Crucially, with the V12, Aston's own engine remains. But the new car will have a nose cone -- that's disappointing. The DB11 and DBS (and all the previous, VH-generation cars) don't have a nose cone -- the bonnet and wings go all the way forward. That looks so much better (no shut lines) AND requires the kind of craftsmanship that makes Astons special. Losing that must be because it's cheaper to make, and that's a shame.
I do hope that they improve the interior design, as that needs an update.

LotusOmega375D

7,613 posts

153 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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What’s going on with the rear end of that Mercedes?


GTRene

16,525 posts

224 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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LotusOmega375D said:
What’s going on with the rear end of that Mercedes?

could be a black series GT-R AMG


bluemason

1,070 posts

123 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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LotusOmega375D said:
What’s going on with the rear end of that Mercedes?

That is the standard rear wing on the amg black series. It is a road legal track car.

lukeharding

2,947 posts

89 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I love the DB11, and am curious to see what the 12 looks like without the clamshell bonnet, which is a big part of the 11's looks.

Bencolem

1,016 posts

239 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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pycraft said:
"tied on points with the once all-concurring Mercedes-AMG team"

Conquering, surely? Or did they just agree with everybody?
I presume it means that Aston Martin now submit their travel expenses using the same system as Mercedes in addition to their engines.

chrisironside

662 posts

162 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Very hard to tell what the final version will look like from this sort of thing, but to be honest the DB11 has been my least favourite of any Aston Martin I can remember. I just don't like the floating roof design and what seems to me like quite a cumbersome rear. I'm not sure why, but I just find the DBS has a very similar look, but is a lot more appealing.

cirks

2,472 posts

283 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Bencolem said:
I presume it means that Aston Martin now submit their travel expenses using the same system as Mercedes in addition to their engines.
Other comments amusing....that needed some thought! Been years since used Concur...