I've just bought some poverty Pork…

I've just bought some poverty Pork…

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LennyM1984

630 posts

67 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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I think Chris Harris ran a 987.1 2.7 rather than the 987.2 2.9. His article about it makes for good reading.

Having owned both, I think a 987 is the better car but in terms of value it is hard to beat a 986. It also feels like more of a "classic" whereas the 987 (despite being quite old now) feels very much like a modern, contemporary car.



Edited by LennyM1984 on Thursday 20th February 09:36

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Following the whole bang for the buck theme ..

For manual 911's, I'm finding it increasingly hard to justify a Gen 2 over a Gen 1.

There is about a £15k price difference for manuals. By my estimates, there's at least 6 times as many Manual Gen 1 out there compared to Gen 2. If you check current AutoTrader advert stats the ratio is over 10 to 1

A Gen 2 manual seems to command about £5k more than a Gen 2 PDK purely due to scarcity. PDK buyers are laughing but not manual buyers ATM.

Is the 911 gen 1 now a bit if a bargain all things considered. Not all engines Grenade themselves and it's £10k to fix/improve (even a Gen 2 engine will need work eventually if owned long term). To the casual onlooker, the car is materially the same visually.

I'd bet that in the longer term, there's more possible upturn (or holding value) in price on excellent Gen 1 examples than Gen 2 (when the original purchase price is taken into account).

If you want a 911 fir life then gen 2 makes sense...for just two year though a Gen 1 makes more sense maybe.

Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 20th February 11:40

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Assume you're referring to 997s.

There's a reason for the difference in value.

Do you feel lucky?

Chris Stott

13,185 posts

196 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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From what I’ve seen, it would seem 997.1 S’s are the most chocolate of all the 99x variants.

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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ferrisbueller said:
Assume you're referring to 997s.

There's a reason for the difference in value.

Do you feel lucky?
Depends on the odds...what are they 5 to 1 wink

I just think compared to the 997 Gen 2, the Gen 1 has the double whammy of (potential) engine issues AND relative non-scarcity (must be nearly 100 manuals for sale ATM). If gen 2 manuals were sold in similar numbers to Gen 1 where would values sit?

Anyway, just had a run in my 987.1 after 5 weeks away and they are a bloody bargain even if they might implode!

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Chris Stott said:
From what I’ve seen, it would seem 997.1 S’s are the most chocolate of all the 99x variants.
That's the thing - were they?

I thought the 996 had the worst reputation (not just for engines but other things - I might be wrong).

Look at what has happened to the values of 996's. Good ones are commanding £12-15k and that's double what they were years back.
So once buyers put on their tainted glasses and a particular 911 approaches 'classic' territory they don't seem to penalize a car for it's issues as much maybe?

In summary, buy really good 997.1 examples haha...

Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 20th February 14:19

topsey.mod

2,668 posts

73 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Come on folks, let's get out of the classroom and back on topic please.

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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anonymous said:
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True, closer to £7-8k

Don't alot of 964'as have rebuilt engines. Doesn't seem to have affected their values.

It's weird what a bit of time can do for models

Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 20th February 15:17

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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topsey.mod said:
Come on folks, let's get out of the classroom and back on topic please.
Soz, just crystal balling at the next lot of Poverty Porks.

Let's get back to posting some current ones.

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

223 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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anonymous said:
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I know, when people point to 911s and the prices saying they are good value I'm amazed.

I looked at a 52 or 53 plate 996 4s with 40k on it that was up for £25k back in 2007 I think it was. He also had an early C2 997 up for £2k more, which I actually preferred. So much so I went and tested a 54 plate C2s with 20k miles on it at Porsche Cambridge, that was up at £32k.

I could have swapped the M3 CSL for the C2s, straight swap.

That was 13 years ago!

They then seemed to not really lose any more, and haven't really, some cheap motoring for those who can hold onto a car for a long time.



996's definitely dipped low, but not sure if they hit £6k either.



edh

3,498 posts

268 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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I don't think the market in 996's has moved much in quite a while - high mileage cars from 8k ish, tiptronics & other undesireables 10k, up to 15k for a tidy C2 manual (cable throttle & ambers obviously.. smile ) & more for v low miles cars. If anything I suspect it's a bit softer than it was a couple of years ago

edc

9,231 posts

250 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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I think 996 has peaked and troughed a shade more than 986 over the past 12 years. The percentage swing might be quite close between 986/996 but as an absolute figure there is little movement in 986. After all a 10% swing on a £6k 986 is not as much as a 10% swing on a £15k 996.

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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edh said:
I don't think the market in 996's has moved much in quite a while - high mileage cars from 8k ish, tiptronics & other undesireables 10k, up to 15k for a tidy C2 manual (cable throttle & ambers obviously.. smile ) & more for v low miles cars. If anything I suspect it's a bit softer than it was a couple of years ago
Ambers!

That's the thing....what was once unusual can become desirable with enough time.

ooid

4,049 posts

99 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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gizlaroc said:
996's definitely dipped low, but not sure if they hit £6k either.
True, I did test drove a few back in 2012.The lowest end was around 10-12k. I drove one actually high mileage at 11k price, it felt pretty knackered...

Don't even want to remember Air-cooled examples around 10-15k!! It went only way since 2011...

A running 986: 5k, great value as a weekend toy but a running 996: 12k+ poor value, imho.


Edited by ooid on Thursday 20th February 23:49

Escy

3,907 posts

148 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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I'm not convinced ambers are desirable in any way shape or form. I understand why if you have them you might embrace them but I've not yet seen a facelifted car with clear lights get retrofitted with ambers.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

170 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Escy said:
I'm not convinced ambers are desirable in any way shape or form. I understand why if you have them you might embrace them but I've not yet seen a facelifted car with clear lights get retrofitted with ambers.
Binned them for clears the day I got my first 986 back in 2007, they look rubbish and a design mistake not repeated by Porsche since

ATM

18,095 posts

218 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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LennyM1984 said:
I think Chris Harris ran a 987.1 2.7 rather than the 987.2 2.9. His article about it makes for good reading.
Oops

Yeah I'm trying to come round to the less is more attitude as I age gracefully but it's hard isn't it. Especially when I have such a massive....

Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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ATM said:
LennyM1984 said:
I think Chris Harris ran a 987.1 2.7 rather than the 987.2 2.9. His article about it makes for good reading.
Oops

Yeah I'm trying to come round to the less is more attitude as I age gracefully but it's hard isn't it. Especially when I have such a massive....
He ran it on 17" rims too I think.

ATM

18,095 posts

218 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Andyoz said:
ATM said:
LennyM1984 said:
I think Chris Harris ran a 987.1 2.7 rather than the 987.2 2.9. His article about it makes for good reading.
Oops

Yeah I'm trying to come round to the less is more attitude as I age gracefully but it's hard isn't it. Especially when I have such a massive....
He ran it on 17" rims too I think.

Escy

3,907 posts

148 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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You nearly had me there, I've noticed you need to have the final word in any exchange. As it had been over a day without a reply I actually thought you'd taken on the advice (pleading) of others to knock it on the head. Clearly not.

Regarding your point, I'm unsure what your light hearted reply was. All the pettiness aimed towards me personally, I took no notice of as I don't care. If the quote (which you removed) where you told Jake he was talking bks was light hearted you might need to revise the way you interact on here, especially as you seem a sensitive soul if anything goes in your direction.

To everyone else, there will be no more posts from me on this as its ruining the thread. I predict there will be just one more post from cmoose as he'll need to get the last word in to claim his victory.

Edited by chris.mod on Friday 21st February 15:34