I've just bought some poverty Pork…

I've just bought some poverty Pork…

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Escy

3,907 posts

148 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Just clicked on your link, he mentions about the cost not being broken down. That's so you can't easily work out you are having your pants pulled down.

22k to end up with 334bhp, 297ft/lb, rather him than me. I've just watched a few of his video's. He says he bought it cheap as the engine had a noise. Long term plan being a Hartech rebuild. The engine lasted a few weeks by the sound of it.

Lets say he gave 10k for it, it's value was 15k without the engine issue. He's now into it for 32k, he's got what looks a pretty ropey example (interior looks way past it's best). If you went Porsche shopping with 32k in your back pocket, you aren't looking for a 1999 996 3.4 with 90k miles. Seems like madness to willingly put yourself in that position. That's 996 Turbo money.

I understand man maths and justifying a bit of extravagant spending on a car but it's such a leap I don't even come close to getting my head around. It seems like plenty of people can though. If he put that car up for sale tomorrow, I don't think it'd sell for more than the 22k he spent on it.

cabbalisticar

125 posts

16 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Escy said:
Just clicked on your link, he mentions about the cost not being broken down. That's so you can't easily work out you are having your pants pulled down.
Hartech isn't pulling anyone's pants down. They've got a queue at the gates, they have no need to fluff up bills and if you have had any interaction with them at all you'll know that they'll be frank about what will likely happen should you commission a build. Their MO is not pretending the bill is going to be x and then hitting people with x times two.

I think if you had any experience in dealing with them, you'd regret implying dishonesty.

cabbalisticar

125 posts

16 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Do agree, incidentally, re querying the wisdom of it re putting that much cash into a ropey car. It's partly why I didn't do it in the end. I couldn't find a scored car that was otherwise super clean and didn't fancy putting the better part of £20k into something ropey.

My other major objection was, as you imply, being tied to the car. Once you're in that deep, you're sort of stuck with it. What happens if it gets wrecked? You can't just buy another. For me that's the appeal of sticking largely with factory spec bar relatively minor tweaks. If something goes wrong, you can just buy another one.

That said, I'd personally take a 3.7 996 Carrera over a 996 Turbo all day long!

ferrisbueller

29,262 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Escy said:
Just clicked on your link, he mentions about the cost not being broken down. That's so you can't easily work out you are having your pants pulled down.

22k to end up with 334bhp, 297ft/lb, rather him than me. I've just watched a few of his video's. He says he bought it cheap as the engine had a noise. Long term plan being a Hartech rebuild. The engine lasted a few weeks by the sound of it.

Lets say he gave 10k for it, it's value was 15k without the engine issue. He's now into it for 32k, he's got what looks a pretty ropey example (interior looks way past it's best). If you went Porsche shopping with 32k in your back pocket, you aren't looking for a 1999 996 3.4 with 90k miles. Seems like madness to willingly put yourself in that position. That's 996 Turbo money.

I understand man maths and justifying a bit of extravagant spending on a car but it's such a leap I don't even come close to getting my head around. It seems like plenty of people can though. If he put that car up for sale tomorrow, I don't think it'd sell for more than the 22k he spent on it.
Pretty much. That's why I swapped mine.

ferrisbueller

29,262 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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cabbalisticar said:
Escy said:
Just clicked on your link, he mentions about the cost not being broken down. That's so you can't easily work out you are having your pants pulled down.
Hartech isn't pulling anyone's pants down. They've got a queue at the gates, they have no need to fluff up bills and if you have had any interaction with them at all you'll know that they'll be frank about what will likely happen should you commission a build. Their MO is not pretending the bill is going to be x and then hitting people with x times two.

I think if you had any experience in dealing with them, you'd regret implying dishonesty.
Stand down, Moose. I think he's referring to what's being sold, not suggesting Hartech do anything dubious.

ATM

18,099 posts

218 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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ferrisbueller said:
cabbalisticar said:
Escy said:
Just clicked on your link, he mentions about the cost not being broken down. That's so you can't easily work out you are having your pants pulled down.
Hartech isn't pulling anyone's pants down. They've got a queue at the gates, they have no need to fluff up bills and if you have had any interaction with them at all you'll know that they'll be frank about what will likely happen should you commission a build. Their MO is not pretending the bill is going to be x and then hitting people with x times two.

I think if you had any experience in dealing with them, you'd regret implying dishonesty.
Stand down, Moose. I think he's referring to what's being sold, not suggesting Hartech do anything dubious.
Later in the video he shows there is a massive break down of absolutely all parts in meticulous detail.

BrotherMouzone

3,169 posts

173 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Plot twist biggrin

jh001

615 posts

176 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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On that note, where did 911R go?

Smollet

10,466 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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This looks cheap. I wonder what the catch is
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1187754025370273/p...

2Btoo

3,410 posts

202 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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Smollet said:
This looks cheap. I wonder what the catch is
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1187754025370273/p...
It's been barried from here to hell and back and anyone with any taste would be embarrassed to be seen in it.

Then the detail .... over 200k miles (good going but not good for the selling price), no MOT and an MOT history that's spottier than the Dalmatian branch of The Kennel Club.

Other than that I'm sure it's lovely! smile

EDIT: The numberplate doesn't relate to a Boxster; the MOT history listed for B20KRW is for a Renault Master van. So my comments about mileage and MOT may or may not relate to this car .... we'll never know!

Edited by 2Btoo on Thursday 24th November 09:27

Smollet

10,466 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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2Btoo said:
Smollet said:
This looks cheap. I wonder what the catch is
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1187754025370273/p...
It's been barried from here to hell and back and anyone with any taste would be embarrassed to be seen in it.

Then the detail .... over 200k miles (good going but not good for the selling price), no MOT and an MOT history that's spottier than the Dalmatian branch of The Kennel Club.

Other than that I'm sure it's lovely! smile

EDIT: The numberplate doesn't relate to a Boxster; the MOT history listed for B20KRW is for a Renault Master van. So my comments about mileage and MOT may or may not relate to this car .... we'll never know!

Edited by 2Btoo on Thursday 24th November 09:27
Didn’t spot the 200k but then I didn’t go into the detail unlike your good self. I looked at the 39k on the ad wink

ATM

18,099 posts

218 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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Smollet said:
This looks cheap. I wonder what the catch is
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1187754025370273/p...
Where is Canvey Island?

2Btoo

3,410 posts

202 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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ATM said:
Where is Canvey Island?
You don't want to know.

Smollet

10,466 posts

189 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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ATM said:
Where is Canvey Island?
Thames Estuary Essex

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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2Btoo said:
ATM said:
Where is Canvey Island?
You don't want to know.
Locksmiths & bakeries?

Speedgelb

857 posts

152 months

Thursday 24th November 2022
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Slippydiff said:
hehe

I do hope you’re not suggesting that Cabbalisticar, Esotericar, “Redacted”, Cmoose and Cabboosemoose (variously referred to as Jeremy by Monkey Harris) are one and the same individual ...

That whole concept is completely unthinkable.
Indeed. You missed out F6C.




On the subject of terminal failures, it can be more cost effective to get an engine from a written off car. Not that I'd advocate getting one from a car that's done 150k miles.

Am aware of a 986 S that shat its engine not long after the owner had completed a full (belt and braces) suspension overhaul. The car itself had over 125k on the clock.

The owner managed to source a replacement from a written-off car with under 25k on the clock, which had been serviced by OPC since 2008 (their electronic records didn't go back any further).

It cost about £5k all in for the engine (including ancillaries) and fitting at an independent. Now, low-mileage engines don't exactly grow on trees, but in this instance, I think the outcome was pretty good. A rebuild would have been significantly more.




Not that the investment is ever going to be recouped. I'm not sure what a 140k mile car with 7k old M030 suspension and a 30k miles engine would be worth, but I'm not convinced it'd be significantly different to one with a Hartech / Autofarm / A N other reputable rebuild.

Edited by Speedgelb on Thursday 24th November 18:14

ATM

18,099 posts

218 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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Cat S - recently
Gen 2
2.9
Manual

12.5k

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195479132532




ooid

4,049 posts

99 months

Friday 25th November 2022
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If I was looking for an early one, would have checked this one definitely;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165791677499?hash=item2...

There is misfire, but if its -most probably- lambda or CATS, nothing to be worried about imho. If the location is correct in the picture ,some of those houses were going over £10 million - as I'm familiar with the area- hehe

PS: There is no A.C. which is a big plus in the poverty flat 6 universe, better cooling and no condenser cleaning time or expense!

Luke.

10,946 posts

249 months

Thursday 1st December 2022
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Went to view this today.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211031...

In pretty good nick on the whole. However the clamshell didn't sit flush with the bodywork when the roof was open. Anyone know if that's an easy fix/common problem?

Ta.

Escy

3,907 posts

148 months

Thursday 1st December 2022
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Mine started doing this, there's a small adjustable arm that had a plastic ball joint, it snapped off which was the cause of it. The plastic that broke off was the perfect size to plug the hole in the drain channel which then flooded the carpet. Fun times