I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[andy97]

Probably belongs under “brave pill:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301203...

Anyone brave enough?

[Fast Bug]

ATM said:

shalmaneser said:

Would it need an iva? Or just turn up to the testing station? Straight cut box would be cool but a nightmare on the road.

Not road car = no V5. DVLA wont have any record of it. Need this sorting first which for kit cars means IVA which is probably why people talking about IVA. You dont need an IVA if you can get some form of doc from Porsche like maybe a Certificate of Conformity will work. DVLA may then register the car based on this. Then you can MOT and tax etc.

Well it's an import, so the DVLA won't know anything about it any way. I'm not sure what paperwork you'd get with a race car in Germany, but they're efficient enough to have something with a chassis number on at a guess. Fill out a NOVA form, book it for an MOT and then try and get it registered. You might need a certificate of conformity, but you might get lucky depending on German docs.

You'd need to change a fair few things to make it useable though. There was a 996 GT3 that someone on PH owned ages back with a cup motor, so that might be OK. Box would be a bd on the road at a guess, as would the suspension. You could put it on the road for a chunk less than a road GT3, but I'm not sure if it would be cheaper than just buying a leftie club sport road car instead?

[andy97]

Fast Bug said:

ATM said:

shalmaneser said:

Would it need an iva? Or just turn up to the testing station? Straight cut box would be cool but a nightmare on the road.

Not road car = no V5. DVLA wont have any record of it. Need this sorting first which for kit cars means IVA which is probably why people talking about IVA. You dont need an IVA if you can get some form of doc from Porsche like maybe a Certificate of Conformity will work. DVLA may then register the car based on this. Then you can MOT and tax etc.

Well it's an import, so the DVLA won't know anything about it any way. I'm not sure what paperwork you'd get with a race car in Germany, but they're efficient enough to have something with a chassis number on at a guess. Fill out a NOVA form, book it for an MOT and then try and get it registered. You might need a certificate of conformity, but you might get lucky depending on German docs.

You'd need to change a fair few things to make it useable though. There was a 996 GT3 that someone on PH owned ages back with a cup motor, so that might be OK. Box would be a bd on the road at a guess, as would the suspension. You could put it on the road for a chunk less than a road GT3, but I'm not sure if it would be cheaper than just buying a leftie club sport road car instead?

I think if you buy this, there’s no way you use it on the road. You buy a tow car and a trailer and use it on track days or race it only. However, ISTR that the engine life on these was only 25 hours (happy to be corrected) so not the cheapest thing to use regularly.

[austin]

andy97 said:

I think if you buy this, there’s no way you use it on the road. You buy a tow car and a trailer and use it on track days or race it only. However, ISTR that the engine life on these was only 25 hours (happy to be corrected) so not the cheapest thing to use regularly.

20,000 miles is a lot to do if it needs engine (work / rebuild / new ??) every 25 hours.

Fag packet maths: @100mph, 20,000 miles = 200 hours == 8 engine lives.

[ATM]

austin said:

andy97 said:

I think if you buy this, there’s no way you use it on the road. You buy a tow car and a trailer and use it on track days or race it only. However, ISTR that the engine life on these was only 25 hours (happy to be corrected) so not the cheapest thing to use regularly.

20,000 miles is a lot to do if it needs engine (work / rebuild / new ??) every 25 hours.

Fag packet maths: @100mph, 20,000 miles = 200 hours == 8 engine lives.

Stolen from another thread. 13k gearbox rebuild at OPC on this road car with standard-ish GT spec manual box. Its a 7 page invoice. I've added the main highlights below.

Certainly not poverty.

TDT said:

What’s the background on this then…

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...

[Fast Bug]

austin said:

andy97 said:

I think if you buy this, there’s no way you use it on the road. You buy a tow car and a trailer and use it on track days or race it only. However, ISTR that the engine life on these was only 25 hours (happy to be corrected) so not the cheapest thing to use regularly.

20,000 miles is a lot to do if it needs engine (work / rebuild / new ??) every 25 hours.

Fag packet maths: @100mph, 20,000 miles = 200 hours == 8 engine lives.

Isn't that assuming that the engine is spending all of those hours at 8000 rpm? And a race engine won't grenade itself at 25 hours, more that there will be performance losses so the rebuild is to keep it producing maxium power

[freedman]

ATM said:

It's a 13k total bill, not just the gearbox (which looks to have been about 7k in parts)

In a lot of ways more worrying as it needed a lot of TLC

Rear screen replacement
Undertrays
Wheel repair
Gear cables
Front lip spoiler
Aircon regas and pipe replacement
Brake duct
MOT
Etc

[BrotherMouzone]

Fast Bug said:

austin said:

andy97 said:

I think if you buy this, there’s no way you use it on the road. You buy a tow car and a trailer and use it on track days or race it only. However, ISTR that the engine life on these was only 25 hours (happy to be corrected) so not the cheapest thing to use regularly.

20,000 miles is a lot to do if it needs engine (work / rebuild / new ??) every 25 hours.

Fag packet maths: @100mph, 20,000 miles = 200 hours == 8 engine lives.

Isn't that assuming that the engine is spending all of those hours at 8000 rpm? And a race engine won't grenade itself at 25 hours, more that there will be performance losses so the rebuild is to keep it producing maxium power

Yes I remember Steve Rance (PHer / Cup car racer) saying the same.

And yes you got to be real hardcore to want to drive a Cup car on the road. Just buy a normal GT3; the price difference at purchase you’ll get it back when you sell the car anyway.

[BrotherMouzone]

freedman said:

It's a 13k total bill, not just the gearbox (which looks to have been about 7k in parts)

In a lot of ways more worrying as it needed a lot of TLC

Rear screen replacement
Undertrays
Wheel repair
Gear cables
Front lip spoiler
Aircon regas and pipe replacement
Brake duct
MOT
Etc

I don’t think that’s ‘a lot of TLC’ actually.

Rear screen - plastic screen on the RS
Undertrays are just plastic panels; one of mine was damaged when I was driving on single track road so it could happen to anyone
Wheel repair might just be kerbing a wheel
Gear cables - could happen to any 996
Front lip spoiler - the car is so low the plastic spoiler is really a consumable item
Brake duct - ditto, just cheap plastic and can easily be damaged cos the low ride height
Air con regas / pipe / MOT - just normal TLC

I follow the owner on social and he has a large car collection. The 6RS was in a car collection in Hong Kong prior so maybe the current owner just told the OPC to make the car A1 with an open cheque book?

[Escy]

The easiest way to road register that cup car would be buy a shell with ID and use that to register it for the road. If you re-shelled the car into it, it's not illegal, if you just swap the ID it is illegal. I'm sure it happens all the time.

[andy97]

How much is a Hartech rebuild again?

https://www.newforestcarriagecompany.co.uk/used/ca...

ETA - just had a look at Hartech’s website. Not sure when last updated (not that recently, probably) but it shows an engine remove, rebuild and re-fit option at £12000.

That makes this car a £22k “purchase”. A quick look at Autotrader shows similar cars (well, 1 2001 3.6) in terms of age and mileage (although not with a Hartech rebuild, obviously) at about £24k.

Assuming that Hartech’s prices have gone up from when their website was last updated and that their rebuild package is “all that’s needed”, then I guess you might break even. Man maths!

Edited by andy97 on Friday 27th January 13:45

[austin]

Boxster for under £4k.

Cheapest usable one I've seen for a while

[ATM]

freedman said:

It's a 13k total bill, not just the gearbox (which looks to have been about 7k in parts)

7k plus VAT.

I believe these have a different gearbox to the vanilla 996. But this just makes my general 996 gearbox paranoia even worse.

I know lots of people talk about track use not being bad for these cars as they are designed for it. But if you are brutal with the gear changes then clearly the gearbox fairies will not be nice to you.

[paulguitar]

Cayman on eBay:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195567603549

[ATM]

andy97 said:

How much is a Hartech rebuild again?

https://www.newforestcarriagecompany.co.uk/used/ca...

ETA - just had a look at Hartech’s website. Not sure when last updated (not that recently, probably) but it shows an engine remove, rebuild and re-fit option at £12000.

That makes this car a £22k “purchase”. A quick look at Autotrader shows similar cars (well, 1 2001 3.6) in terms of age and mileage (although not with a Hartech rebuild, obviously) at about £24k.

Assuming that Hartech’s prices have gone up from when their website was last updated and that their rebuild package is “all that’s needed”, then I guess you might break even. Man maths!

Edited by andy97 on Friday 27th January 13:45

Buy one already done

Much simpler

This one has been for sale for months and months

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212102...

[Smollet]

ATM said:

Buy one already done

Much simpler

This one has been for sale for months and months

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212102...

That does tick an awful lot of boxes.

[andy97]

ATM said:

andy97 said:

How much is a Hartech rebuild again?

https://www.newforestcarriagecompany.co.uk/used/ca...

ETA - just had a look at Hartech’s website. Not sure when last updated (not that recently, probably) but it shows an engine remove, rebuild and re-fit option at £12000.

That makes this car a £22k “purchase”. A quick look at Autotrader shows similar cars (well, 1 2001 3.6) in terms of age and mileage (although not with a Hartech rebuild, obviously) at about £24k.

Assuming that Hartech’s prices have gone up from when their website was last updated and that their rebuild package is “all that’s needed”, then I guess you might break even. Man maths!

Edited by andy97 on Friday 27th January 13:45

Buy one already done

Much simpler

This one has been for sale for months and months

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212102...

Which might show that the Hartech rebuilds are under valued? Or only worth it if you keeping the car for a very long time. Or only worth it if you get the car really cheap in the first place.

Must admit that I still think I might prefer to get the work done myself as you know then exactly what’s been done. That said, there are a lot of decent alternatives around for £22-24k

[ATM]

andy97 said:

Which might show that the Hartech rebuilds are under valued? Or only worth it if you keeping the car for a very long time. Or only worth it if you get the car really cheap in the first place.

Must admit that I still think I might prefer to get the work done myself as you know then exactly what’s been done. That said, there are a lot of decent alternatives around for £22-24k

I believe Hartech have a bit of a waiting list. If I was gonna spend the money I'd want an upgrade too so a capacity increase. Seems a no brainer that. But even without, once they start ripping it apart there will always be extras you need to pay for. I bet no one gets a standard vanilla rebuild only.

Let's see these cars you're looking at then.

[Philvrs]

A fairly recent 3.7 conversion, with costs in this series.

[andy97]

ATM said:

Let's see these cars you're looking at then.

I simply put the following into Autotrader:
Coupe
RWD
Min engine size of 3 litres
Min 2 seats, Max 4
0-60 < 5 secs
Min 300 bhp
Min £20k, max £25k

330 cars came up.
Of course, not all of them will be considered competitors to a 911 but if you are looking for a fun weekend car at that budget then there's a lot of choice from Aston Martins and BMW M series cars to Jaguar F types to Maseratis etc etc.
Broaden the criteria a bit and you bring in things like Lotus and Audi RS’s into the mix.

Edited by andy97 on Saturday 28th January 18:27