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Rosewood Red said:
toastyhamster said:
Can't get it to work.. file you have requested does not exist?
Damn it...https://www.dropbox.com/s/ej4oev3jzcfmpgt/Poverty%...
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Sorely tempted by this thread, eventual aim is a 996, but whether I get there via MX-5 and/or Boxster I dunno.
toastyhamster said:
Sorely tempted by this thread, eventual aim is a 996, but whether I get there via MX-5 and/or Boxster I dunno.
If you have a daily already, go for boxster or cayman. Super bargain for a weekend fun, and epic. If you are going for full-use, daily, then 996 or 997 but be prepared for running costs than, they are not cheap.these recent bargain 986,987s really so tempting, yet I still have no extra parking space so cant make a damn purchase!
ooid said:
toastyhamster said:
Sorely tempted by this thread, eventual aim is a 996, but whether I get there via MX-5 and/or Boxster I dunno.
If you have a daily already, go for boxster or cayman. Super bargain for a weekend fun, and epic. If you are going for full-use, daily, then 996 or 997 but be prepared for running costs than, they are not cheap.these recent bargain 986,987s really so tempting, yet I still have no extra parking space so cant make a damn purchase!
Also as kids get older, track days (done on two wheels), Ring etc.
Loving this thread and the epic poppopbangbang/early 996 and that one with the mk3 MX-5.
ATM said:
I had just had my 1998 996 serviced.
Here's my recent bill again. This is for my 996 but could just as easily be a 986. I bought wise-ish as my car had recently had some suspension parts, rads and a home brew engine rebuild. So my bill was mainly for hoses and pipes. Think about that. I don't mean to sound condescending I'm just stating facts.We all know that rads and suspension arms can swallow a couple of thousand easily. A clutch and DMF is getting on for another couple.
But a few pipes can swallow a couple too.
I've seen window regulators get mentioned in service histories, new keys or key heads. There are various sundry items that can swallow another thousand easily. The soft top can play up too and need an overhaul or replacing.
If you add that up you have 5 or 6 or even 7 thousand.
Then we get onto the possible engine rebuild and dont forget the gearbox.
Now if you're cute with spanners and have the space, time and inclination you can easily fit new pipes to your car and whatever else yourself. This could easily drop your bill to a quarter of that.
So does that old Boxster still look like a good deal?
Are you really going to jack it up outside in this weather and start pulling it to bits on your drive or take it to your chosen mechanic?
I'm not saying dont buy one. I think a sound car can easily swallow miles. If you have new suspension arms, rads and whatever else these wont wear out on you in 2 years doing 25k per year. But if those parts have 30 or 40 thousand miles on them they might need changing sooner.
That's why it gets difficult to decide which to buy. A low mileage car might only be a bit more expensive but its probably had less money spent on it and therefore most of the parts above are more likely to need changing sooner.
I still want one. But I'm even more confused how to choose.
All fair points.
I decided last year to prove to myself I could do some major spannering to get my 944 race car road legal and the way I want it again. OK I am lazy as hell and only going in to the garage when I feel like it but its taken more than a year. Refitting all the PAS and checking it was a nightmare job, I think I was quoted 8 to 10 hours by a garage it took me several months just on that but it all works bob on, was difficult just figuring out where everything goes. In the dim distant past I have rebuilt an A series engine so I can do proper hard mechanical stuff. Its the motivation and dedication though to get things done in a reasonable time, very easy to underestimate this aspect of things. For the hobbyist we may get back ache and fed up after a couple of hours on the floor of the garage, a professional mechanic is doing that 10 hours a day. A job that was then dropping the car at a specialist for a week can become several months of fiddling in the garage at home. There are some of course that will just smash through jobs but there is no fun in that, been there done that, refitted an engine once outside in the snow, had no choice as I needed the car that week for work.
I decided last year to prove to myself I could do some major spannering to get my 944 race car road legal and the way I want it again. OK I am lazy as hell and only going in to the garage when I feel like it but its taken more than a year. Refitting all the PAS and checking it was a nightmare job, I think I was quoted 8 to 10 hours by a garage it took me several months just on that but it all works bob on, was difficult just figuring out where everything goes. In the dim distant past I have rebuilt an A series engine so I can do proper hard mechanical stuff. Its the motivation and dedication though to get things done in a reasonable time, very easy to underestimate this aspect of things. For the hobbyist we may get back ache and fed up after a couple of hours on the floor of the garage, a professional mechanic is doing that 10 hours a day. A job that was then dropping the car at a specialist for a week can become several months of fiddling in the garage at home. There are some of course that will just smash through jobs but there is no fun in that, been there done that, refitted an engine once outside in the snow, had no choice as I needed the car that week for work.
ooid said:
ATM said:
I still want one. But I'm even more confused how to choose.
How is your 981 behaving ATM? they look to be super-reliable and much better built. Non-S, manual would be a good choice too, for a long-time keeper semi-daily!It had a known problem which was fixed - the brake pedal can bind in the down position when its warm - from summer heat or the blower on red hot. This made the brakes bind unless you pulled it up with your toe. Porsche refuse to acknowledge this as a problem so you have to pay for the newer bush which fixes it. So i had this done with the major.
Other known problem is still ongoing for me. The blower motor can stick if not used for a couple of weeks and therefore prevent it working. To get it going you have to shove your finger in it and give it a spin. That's annoying and i believe so far unfixed by Porsche.
Other than that its great. But it lacks steering feel and the brake pedal is a bit mushy. So it lacks in terms of communication.
Its got heated seats amd steering wheel.
The pdk box is amazing.
It revs to 9000 (I think) and sounds the nuts in sport mode.
If you ignore the lack of communication and are brave there is serious grip and balance. It's just so easy to go quick - almost too easy.
ATM, yes, could happen to a 986. But are such bills unfeasible with say an E36 or E30 BMW or something like a 190E? These cars are getting on a bit now.
Design 911 sell the pin kit for £48 + VAT which is ridiculous: http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod5013/Brake-Pad-P...
Porsche OPC is likely to be cheaper IME. But, Pagid or Mintex items are available for barely £10. Once you take the 'Porsche tax' out of the equation they're not particularly ruinous on consumables, compared to say a contemporary BMW.
So ~£140 in parts for rear brakes. Fronts are slightly more, say £180. Brakes are brakes and don't need a specialist. £50 per axle by any competent mechanic. So sub £450. How they ended up at £1,200 is beyond me. Unless they used marked up OE parts and charge like £100 an hour. Not all specialists have reasonable rates - some of them seem to charge similar to OPC!
toastyhamster said:
That doesn't actually look too bad when you look at it from a 13 year perspective, no BIG bills either (although that first bill for discs and pads looks a bit....), I had worse on my Audi A4 til I got rid.
Sorely tempted by this thread, eventual aim is a 996, but whether I get there via MX-5 and/or Boxster I dunno.
Yes, £1,200+ to change discs and pads all round is ridiculous. I bought some rear discs and pads (Pagid + Brembo) from ECP for £108. Pagid rear wear sensors for £18.Sorely tempted by this thread, eventual aim is a 996, but whether I get there via MX-5 and/or Boxster I dunno.
Design 911 sell the pin kit for £48 + VAT which is ridiculous: http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod5013/Brake-Pad-P...
Porsche OPC is likely to be cheaper IME. But, Pagid or Mintex items are available for barely £10. Once you take the 'Porsche tax' out of the equation they're not particularly ruinous on consumables, compared to say a contemporary BMW.
So ~£140 in parts for rear brakes. Fronts are slightly more, say £180. Brakes are brakes and don't need a specialist. £50 per axle by any competent mechanic. So sub £450. How they ended up at £1,200 is beyond me. Unless they used marked up OE parts and charge like £100 an hour. Not all specialists have reasonable rates - some of them seem to charge similar to OPC!
anonymous said:
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Aye, double the number of radiators and condensers plus associated hoses/pipework and the fact they're susceptible to needing sorted- as well as mid-engine layout tending to require more labour shouldn't be overlooked!Compare the cost of a shock absorber to one off a Z4 and the relatively poor availability of aftermarket parts and the costs soon scare.
Patrick Bateman said:
Aye, double the number of radiators and condensers plus associated hoses/pipework and the fact they're susceptible to needing sorted- as well as mid-engine layout tending to require more labour shouldn't be overlooked!
Compare the cost of a shock absorber to one off a Z4 and the relatively poor availability of aftermarket parts and the costs soon scare.
In an e36 you dont have fragile engine seals too.Compare the cost of a shock absorber to one off a Z4 and the relatively poor availability of aftermarket parts and the costs soon scare.
Rosewood Red said:
This will be an eye opener then 
That's my car - purchased September 2016.
Thats not too bad at all, especially as there are some (small) discretionary spends in the total £16k. For comparison, I've spent £7k maintenance alone on my 997 in the 6 years I've owned it. If you include discretionary spends such as detailing, winter tyres etc its £9k.That's my car - purchased September 2016.
My takeaway is that, just keeping a sorted modern Porsche on the road, will cost an average of £1~1.5k a year EVERY year, regardless of model (GT3, Turbos etc excepted). Obviously that will be more in case of any substantial failures such as engines, gearboxes, etc.
So, beware ads with "its only needed basic servicing for the past XX years" as you'll soon be paying for all the deferred stuff!
Got some time to do some fettling on my cheap Boxster. There were two problems which made the car all but useless in this weather:
i) Windscreen washers not working - the internet suggested a pipe under the wheel arch liner often becomes detached. Removed the liner to find all was well. Then notice the puddle of washer fluid in the battery tray and saw where a connector had snapped undone that could have been fixed in about 15 seconds.......
ii) Everytime I ran the blower fan the car steamed up. I figured this out to be a leaky heater matrix so sourced a second hand one from ebay. About 2 hours work later and I now have working heating that does not cause the windscreen to become opaque at in-opportune moments.
I also got a bit further through completing removal of the centre consol / cubby holes to give more legroom, has made a massive difference.
i) Windscreen washers not working - the internet suggested a pipe under the wheel arch liner often becomes detached. Removed the liner to find all was well. Then notice the puddle of washer fluid in the battery tray and saw where a connector had snapped undone that could have been fixed in about 15 seconds.......
ii) Everytime I ran the blower fan the car steamed up. I figured this out to be a leaky heater matrix so sourced a second hand one from ebay. About 2 hours work later and I now have working heating that does not cause the windscreen to become opaque at in-opportune moments.
I also got a bit further through completing removal of the centre consol / cubby holes to give more legroom, has made a massive difference.
RiccardoG said:
Thats not too bad at all, especially as there are some (small) discretionary spends in the total £16k. For comparison, I've spent £7k maintenance alone on my 997 in the 6 years I've owned it. If you include discretionary spends such as detailing, winter tyres etc its £9k.
Bear in mind that nearly £5k of that was done under my tenure over the last 18 months, hence the eye opener part. Has averaged at £270 per month so far. I'm hoping that'll plateau out in the long term. I still need to replace the condensers. Bar that, there's a tiny bit of bodywork that needs attending to in the longer term. The water pump is still the original at 123k, so that may get swapped out as preventative maintenance. And a new roof would be nice, but strictly speaking itsn't needed. It's quite easy for costs to run away with these...BigBen, was yours losing coolant prior to the heater matix being replaced?
I have 2 threads on boxa.net detailing the journey and spend of my 2 Boxsters since 2012. First one was 20 months and the second I still have. Most of the spend is preventative and discretionary. I rarely wait for things to break. The only thing that has stopped me so far is a dead fuel pump.
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I have pushed my moped through pedestrian zones. A new piston, it's a single, is about £50. Mine barely used any 2 stroke oil. It's air-cooled so even less to worry about. I have a pedal bike too but use it only for leisure. If it's too far to walk to the shops etc then moped it is. Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff