I've just bought some poverty Pork…

I've just bought some poverty Pork…

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ooid

4,079 posts

100 months

Tuesday 11th February 2020
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jakesmith said:
It wasn't a difficult point to grasp
Audi can replace a 11 year old engine that they put in likely 100,000's of cars around the world.
Yet Porsche decide to stick 2 fingers up & leave anyone out of warranty with a 5 figure bill after they didn't design their engines with sufficient cooling / strong enough internals etc.
really not to argue but here you go...



I think except japanese brands, I do not think any of these car manufacturers properly build their cars anymore, or they care about the customers at all!

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Tuesday 11th February 2020
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ooid said:
really not to argue but here you go...



I think except japanese brands, I do not think any of these car manufacturers properly build their cars anymore, or they care about the customers at all!
Did you read that article? Audi already offered him a brand new engine free of charge but he is just being a prick about it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3052043/T...


jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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ATM said:
I'm no expert but all engines wear out eventually. Is bore scoring just a form of wear or is it caused by the way it's driven or just a bad luck thing. Maybe that car has had an engine replacement already and we just dont know about it. 10 to 11 sounds cheap anyway for a 4S but I'm not sure it's cheap enough to get me in the game.
From reading Hartech’s posts and talking to the various Indi’s over the years, Porsche Bore scoring is premature engine wear caused by inadequate cooling design. If it was just normal wear then it would affect both cylinder banks. As it stands it usually only affects cylinders 6 and 5 as they are last in the coolant flow path. It’s pointless re-sleeving bank 1 at rebuild but people do it as it’s only a marginal extra cost whilst the engine is stripped down and I’d imagine many paying £12k for the full rebuild intend keeping the car a long time so want the assurance of durability.

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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2002
C2 Tip
Cabriolet
106000 miles

£9000

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/233489373994


ferrisbueller

29,315 posts

227 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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The holy grail of mehdom.

A tip cab 3.6 "taken in part-ex".

2Btoo

3,422 posts

203 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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jakesmith said:
Did you read that article? Audi already offered him a brand new engine free of charge but he is just being a prick about it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3052043/T...
Wow. He sounds like a complete cocksocket. I'm no fan of Audi but it sounds like they are trying to do the right thing.

ooid

4,079 posts

100 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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I'm setting a new ebay search challange for myself

10k max budget in total= a pair of knackered poverty porks. (996 + 986)

laugh

was8v

1,935 posts

195 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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I can't see any reason not to go and see this.





Oh yeah, apart from I just sold my 996 for space / time reasons.

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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was8v said:
I can't see any reason not to go and see this.





Oh yeah, apart from I just sold my 996 for space / time reasons.
Like

Was buying another 996 after just selling one - 2nd Like

Post a link to the ad lad come on man

Chris Stott

13,342 posts

197 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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I take it that's 100k miles, not km's... otherwise it looks pretty cheap.

dai1983

2,912 posts

149 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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Chris Stott said:
I take it that's 100k miles, not km's... otherwise it looks pretty cheap.
Everything on FB comes up as km but I’d really miles. Noticed the ad and it looks good though there were a few on 70-80k last year for a similar price that hung around.

V8fan

6,284 posts

268 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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dai1983 said:
Everything on FB comes up as km but I’d really miles. Noticed the ad and it looks good though there were a few on 70-80k last year for a similar price that hung around.
For a multi billion dollar platform it's pretty poor, piss poor in fact, than they can't cope with miles.... Considering its origin is in the USA. rolleyes

2Btoo

3,422 posts

203 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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anonymous said:
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Interesting. Thanks.

I should know the answer to this but why is the cooling so bad on the 3.4 croc and not so bad on the 2.7?

LordHaveMurci

12,040 posts

169 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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ferrisbueller said:
The holy grail of mehdom.

A tip cab 3.6 "taken in part-ex".
At least it's a C2, I'd hazard a guess that many Tip Cabs are also C4 hehe

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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2Btoo said:
anonymous said:
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Interesting. Thanks.

I should know the answer to this but why is the cooling so bad on the 3.4 croc and not so bad on the 2.7?
I'll take a guess

Simply the bigger engine creates more heat

But also there is something about the bigger pistons or bores making the block thinner between which also makes it hotter

Also I think the bigger bang from the bigger engine especially at lower revs applies more force from the piston side against the bore where it wants to go sideways out the clock instead of up and down as per the stroke of the engine

I think the shorter stroke of the smaller engine creates less force on the side at low revs as the piston doesn't go as far down the bore

rufusgti

2,528 posts

192 months

Wednesday 12th February 2020
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LordHaveMurci said:
ferrisbueller said:
The holy grail of mehdom.

A tip cab 3.6 "taken in part-ex".
At least it's a C2, I'd hazard a guess that many Tip Cabs are also C4 hehe
There's an awful lot of tips out there. Is that because it was new technology at the time and people were keen on it? Do they actually fetch less money these days.i wonder if deep down it's just places like pH where everyone wants a Manual. Out on the forecourt the tips sell first?? No idea, just surprised how many there are.

ATM

18,271 posts

219 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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rufusgti said:
LordHaveMurci said:
ferrisbueller said:
The holy grail of mehdom.

A tip cab 3.6 "taken in part-ex".
At least it's a C2, I'd hazard a guess that many Tip Cabs are also C4 hehe
There's an awful lot of tips out there. Is that because it was new technology at the time and people were keen on it? Do they actually fetch less money these days.i wonder if deep down it's just places like pH where everyone wants a Manual. Out on the forecourt the tips sell first?? No idea, just surprised how many there are.
I know the Tip box is not very PH but if it is more robust than the manual then it could make a good daily. I know I am a bit of a bore about the manual boxes on these cars being a bit flaky but that said - again - if the Tip is less flaky then add in that you never need to change the clutch and flywheel ever [and the slave cylinder, clutch fluid pipe, manual shifter cables etc etc etc] and it could make the better daily run about than a manual. Surely a 996 with the tip box and regular fluid changes could be the thinking, working, economically minded man's daily driver 996.

rufusgti

2,528 posts

192 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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ATM said:
I know the Tip box is not very PH but if it is more robust than the manual then it could make a good daily. I know I am a bit of a bore about the manual boxes on these cars being a bit flaky but that said - again - if the Tip is less flaky then add in that you never need to change the clutch and flywheel ever [and the slave cylinder, clutch fluid pipe, manual shifter cables etc etc etc] and it could make the better daily run about than a manual. Surely a 996 with the tip box and regular fluid changes could be the thinking, working, economically minded man's daily driver 996.
I wasn't aware of any of that. That's a massive tick in the box if that's the case. So why don't the clutches need changing, no clutch? Sorry for the lack of knowledge.
That would free up running funds for things like suspension and chassis tweaks and maintenance. The 996 is becoming more appealing every day for me.

dai1983

2,912 posts

149 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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rufusgti said:
I wasn't aware of any of that. That's a massive tick in the box if that's the case. So why don't the clutches need changing, no clutch? Sorry for the lack of knowledge.
That would free up running funds for things like suspension and chassis tweaks and maintenance. The 996 is becoming more appealing every day for me.
The Tip box looks to have a torque convertor which is full of oil and transmits drive from the engine to the gearbox so there is no clutch at all. Usually autos are more relaxing to drive in heavy traffic but are slower and less fuel efficient than manuals. You also have to change the oil and they have solenoids etc than can break. No idea of the common tip faults but think I've read here that the tip cars are more likely to bore score.

peterg1955

746 posts

164 months

Thursday 13th February 2020
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dai1983 said:
No idea of the common tip faults but think I've read here that the tip cars are more likely to bore score.
unless in sport mode or 1st is manually selected the Tip starts off in 2nd gear which puts greater strain on the engine and can increase the chance of borescore and (to generalise a bit) the bigger the engine the greater the chance basically...