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V8fan said:
Being a Tip AND a Targa, does that make the least desireable? I quite like a Targa, I got used to them with TVRs.
I quite like a Targa too; my old 944 was a Targa in all but name and my folks had a 205 many yonks ago with a HUGE (aftermarket) removable sunroof which was lovely. Why do people not like Targa 911's?
2Btoo said:
V8fan said:
Being a Tip AND a Targa, does that make the least desireable? I quite like a Targa, I got used to them with TVRs.
I quite like a Targa too; my old 944 was a Targa in all but name and my folks had a 205 many yonks ago with a HUGE (aftermarket) removable sunroof which was lovely. Why do people not like Targa 911's?
I agree. It's perhaps not a popular opinion, but i think the 991 targa looks great.
Unfortunately the 996 and 997 to me isn't anywhere near as desirable. Looks are a bit funny, heavy up top, prone to squeaks and leaks. I think 11k was pretty strong money for that car in the current climate
Unfortunately the 996 and 997 to me isn't anywhere near as desirable. Looks are a bit funny, heavy up top, prone to squeaks and leaks. I think 11k was pretty strong money for that car in the current climate
ATM said:
jakesmith said:
Different manufacturer, different box but many VAG DSG units were affected by the curse of the Mechatronic u it failure. As I understand it this is the interface between the mechanical and electronic part of the box and affected a load of cars such as the Golf GTI Mk5 2.0, the 1.4TSI unit, and a host of other vehicles that used those and other parts.
There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997
Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.
Does the Mechatronic thing look like this?There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997
Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.
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jakesmith said:
ATM said:
jakesmith said:
Different manufacturer, different box but many VAG DSG units were affected by the curse of the Mechatronic u it failure. As I understand it this is the interface between the mechanical and electronic part of the box and affected a load of cars such as the Golf GTI Mk5 2.0, the 1.4TSI unit, and a host of other vehicles that used those and other parts.
There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997
Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.
Does the Mechatronic thing look like this?There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997
Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.
https://www.shenghaiautoparts.com/shop/valve-body/...
Personally I love the Targas and sometimes wish I had bought my 997 as a Targa rather than Coupe. Then again, I have this thing that "car one" in the garage needs to be a 911 coupe (after that anything else is ok).
Currently considering 924s with their big roof as a "targa" option (as referred to above).
God knows what's going on with this low miler but I just wanted an excuse to post a link to this website - DesperateSeller.co.uk 
looks like they are just mirroring any Auto Trader cars that are showing a "Good Deal" rating?
https://www.desperateseller.co.uk/cars-for-sale/ad...
looks like they are just mirroring any Auto Trader cars that are showing a "Good Deal" rating?
https://www.desperateseller.co.uk/cars-for-sale/ad...
Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th March 14:35
Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 26th March 14:36
ATM said:
jakesmith said:
Different manufacturer, different box but many VAG DSG units were affected by the curse of the Mechatronic u it failure. As I understand it this is the interface between the mechanical and electronic part of the box and affected a load of cars such as the Golf GTI Mk5 2.0, the 1.4TSI unit, and a host of other vehicles that used those and other parts.
There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997
Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.
Does the Mechatronic thing look like this?There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997
Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.
https://www.shenghaiautoparts.com/shop/valve-body/...
My previous R in PDK was night and day different to my wife’s ( current ) TT 3.2 with the DSG in terms of drive and operation.
Last year we had the dreaded intermittent failures and and the box and dash lighting up like a xmas tree!,
It would lose drive randomly , which involved pulling over , switching off , wait 5 minutes and away you go ..... until the next time , which obviously became more frequent to the point of being dangerous to drive ( you don’t want to lose drive on the he motorway ).
After consulting with Audi independents and the main dealer , the general consensus was that they didn’t want to touch it , but if pushed it would be a minimum of £5000 for a complete new unit !!
In the end I found ( after a lot of online research ) a company in Bristol that offered a complete worst case scenario pricing structure including pick up from my home , can’t remember the figures but a couple of grand rings a bill!!! , spoke several times on the phone , asked lots of questions and felt sufficiently reassured to go with them....
Went with this option , couple of days later I got a phone call , car was fixed , and the good news was that having tested and stripped it down it was an ECU unit within the mechatronic unit , which was refurbed and some new bits upgraded and soldered in .
Price ....£660 all in , including trailered collection of my car.
Still a big bill , but not the horror story that everyone else was quoting !!!
There are always alternatives out there , it’s just a case of finding them.
Gixxerdave said:
Regarding the PDK units , they are just an evolution of the original DSG units.
My previous R in PDK was night and day different to my wife’s ( current ) TT 3.2 with the DSG in terms of drive and operation.
Last year we had the dreaded intermittent failures and and the box and dash lighting up like a xmas tree!,
It would lose drive randomly , which involved pulling over , switching off , wait 5 minutes and away you go ..... until the next time , which obviously became more frequent to the point of being dangerous to drive ( you don’t want to lose drive on the he motorway ).
After consulting with Audi independents and the main dealer , the general consensus was that they didn’t want to touch it , but if pushed it would be a minimum of £5000 for a complete new unit !!
In the end I found ( after a lot of online research ) a company in Bristol that offered a complete worst case scenario pricing structure including pick up from my home , can’t remember the figures but a couple of grand rings a bill!!! , spoke several times on the phone , asked lots of questions and felt sufficiently reassured to go with them....
Went with this option , couple of days later I got a phone call , car was fixed , and the good news was that having tested and stripped it down it was an ECU unit within the mechatronic unit , which was refurbed and some new bits upgraded and soldered in .
Price ....£660 all in , including trailered collection of my car.
Still a big bill , but not the horror story that everyone else was quoting !!!
There are always alternatives out there , it’s just a case of finding them.
What proportion of owners would get to that outcome vs gritting their teeth & paying many £k for a new unit though. Well done on your fix but many wouldn't be resourceful enough to get to thatMy previous R in PDK was night and day different to my wife’s ( current ) TT 3.2 with the DSG in terms of drive and operation.
Last year we had the dreaded intermittent failures and and the box and dash lighting up like a xmas tree!,
It would lose drive randomly , which involved pulling over , switching off , wait 5 minutes and away you go ..... until the next time , which obviously became more frequent to the point of being dangerous to drive ( you don’t want to lose drive on the he motorway ).
After consulting with Audi independents and the main dealer , the general consensus was that they didn’t want to touch it , but if pushed it would be a minimum of £5000 for a complete new unit !!
In the end I found ( after a lot of online research ) a company in Bristol that offered a complete worst case scenario pricing structure including pick up from my home , can’t remember the figures but a couple of grand rings a bill!!! , spoke several times on the phone , asked lots of questions and felt sufficiently reassured to go with them....
Went with this option , couple of days later I got a phone call , car was fixed , and the good news was that having tested and stripped it down it was an ECU unit within the mechatronic unit , which was refurbed and some new bits upgraded and soldered in .
Price ....£660 all in , including trailered collection of my car.
Still a big bill , but not the horror story that everyone else was quoting !!!
There are always alternatives out there , it’s just a case of finding them.
edc said:
I think you guys are debating semantics to some extent. In the main the gearbox lasts the lifetime of the car. In the past I've had 2 auto Range Rovers and they were fine at 185k and 165k.
Which engine did you have? Was it the L322 TD6 that was known for having the not-totally-uncommon potential to lunch its gearbox?
anonymous said:
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Quite. Pick what you like and want to suit your preference and circumstances. Prioritising gearbox reliability just seems arse about face when it will most likely last the duration of your ownerships and probably of the car and maths aside is a safer bet than the engine itself. RiccardoG said:
Personally I love the Targas and sometimes wish I had bought my 997 as a Targa rather than Coupe. Then again, I have this thing that "car one" in the garage needs to be a 911 coupe (after that anything else is ok).
Currently considering 924s with their big roof as a "targa" option (as referred to above).
I had a 996 Targa for some years (never!) and loved the roof. I originally wanted a convertible but as the car lives outside under a tree I thought the Targa a good compromise. As the roof can be opened and closed on the move, unlike a 991 Targa, it makes a great car for the UK. It has a little extra weight and it's in the wrong place but still a good car.Currently considering 924s with their big roof as a "targa" option (as referred to above).
If you buy one ask to see the bills for the roof, they can cost a lot to keep in good shape.
Patrick Bateman said:
edc said:
I think you guys are debating semantics to some extent. In the main the gearbox lasts the lifetime of the car. In the past I've had 2 auto Range Rovers and they were fine at 185k and 165k.
Which engine did you have? Was it the L322 TD6 that was known for having the not-totally-uncommon potential to lunch its gearbox?
anonymous said:
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It looks like every valve body I've seen in any automatic transmission. If you've ever had a car with an automatic transmission, if you took the sump off, you would be staring at something very similar, in fact if you put a PDK and a standard Auto valve body next to each other on a bench, I'd be hard pressed to tell you which is which. They all just look like demonic variants of screwball scramble. 
Even stuff back from the 60's looks like that. Don't be frightened off by it. I've changed out valve bodies in an afternoon without any fuss.
Don't fear the cheaper...
just found a great car on Auto Trader.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
just found a great car on Auto Trader.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...
This one from Portiacraft doesn't look too shabby at all...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
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