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[TROOPER88]

ATM said:

Genuine question

Does arch cleaning like this improve anything or just make people feel happy. I would of assumed some form of rust protection under there which is potentially washed away by all this cleaning.

Putting your question another way ATM:

How can anyone carry out a full inspection on any vehicle if they are not able to see all of the body, chassis, suspension, steering and braking system/components?

They are all covered in mud, brake dust and general debris.

The rust protection is applied to the body in the form of under seal, of course this not removed by cleaning....

The Porsche under seal is fabulous stuff.

I have a beautiful workshop with expensive lifts and tools etc, there is no way I am working an a Porsche that has not been fully cleaned before it enters.


The list of people wanting to buy a Porsche from me is getting longer everyday - it could be due to the way I go about my work

[TROOPER88]

Cardo said:

One and the same.....saved me a fair bit of effort cleaning it

Edited by Cardo on Saturday 6th March 09:55

Edited by Cardo on Saturday 6th March 09:56

Hi Richy
Glad you are happy

986 going well?

Paul

[TROOPER88]

Escy said:

Can't have made much on that

How can you say this when you have no idea of the price I paid at purchase?

I am intrigued

[TROOPER88]

edc said:

Must be close to nothing when you take into account collection/delivery of car, time spent on prep etc.

Again....

How can you say this when you have no idea of the price I paid at purchase?

I am intrigued

[TROOPER88]

Hi Guys
To all who are seriously looking into buying a 986, to offer some advice:

I have sold circa 50 in the past 18 months and each car gets on average 20-30 hours time and probably on average £1000 spent on parts, services such as keys, geo, AC recharge etc.

Yesterday and today I am changing the IMS Bearing, clutch, RMS etc on one.

I sourced 4 quotes from independent Porsche specialists for this job just out of interested and they range from £1750-£2500. The end bill would be higher again as exhaust parts need replacing along the way plus it would be silly not to replace things like the AOS as they are so much easier with the box out.

As an absolute minimum, every 986 that passes through me would get a full inspection once clean , checked on Duramterics, discs, pads, Mobil 1 oil and filter, drive belt, cabin filter, air filter, spark plugs, spark plug tubes and very often coil packs - this list is a minimum and 99% of the time there will be things that require attention like micro-switches, all drain cleared (7 on early 986's and 9 on the later 986's), regulators, roof mechanism and so on.....

If you can do all of this work yourself, then crack on but please take this on board if you are paying a garage to do it as it WILL get expensive - these are 20 plus year old Porsches.

They are fabulous cars when 'right' but I have never purchased one that was 'right' to start with.


I am super busy but If I can offer any advice please do get in touch.

[ooid]

I can't see another way of spending 7k, for a fun car. Looks uber-crisp, (Assuming mechanicals underneath the same!)

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103109...

[shalmaneser]

ooid said:

I can't see another way of spending 7k, for a fun car. Looks uber-crisp, (Assuming mechanicals underneath the same!)

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103109...

That does look clean, but no a/c! Would limit it's usefulness for many.

[shalmaneser]

TROOPER88 said:

Hi Guys
To all who are seriously looking into buying a 986, to offer some advice:

I have sold circa 50 in the past 18 months and each car gets on average 20-30 hours time and probably on average £1000 spent on parts, services such as keys, geo, AC recharge etc.

Yesterday and today I am changing the IMS Bearing, clutch, RMS etc on one.

I sourced 4 quotes from independent Porsche specialists for this job just out of interested and they range from £1750-£2500. The end bill would be higher again as exhaust parts need replacing along the way plus it would be silly not to replace things like the AOS as they are so much easier with the box out.

As an absolute minimum, every 986 that passes through me would get a full inspection once clean , checked on Duramterics, discs, pads, Mobil 1 oil and filter, drive belt, cabin filter, air filter, spark plugs, spark plug tubes and very often coil packs - this list is a minimum and 99% of the time there will be things that require attention like micro-switches, all drain cleared (7 on early 986's and 9 on the later 986's), regulators, roof mechanism and so on.....

If you can do all of this work yourself, then crack on but please take this on board if you are paying a garage to do it as it WILL get expensive - these are 20 plus year old Porsches.

They are fabulous cars when 'right' but I have never purchased one that was 'right' to start with.


I am super busy but If I can offer any advice please do get in touch.

50 cars in 18 months? Nice little business you've got going on there.

[TROOPER88]

shalmaneser said:

50 cars in 18 months? Nice little business you've got going on there.

Very hard work but equally rewarding.

The guys and girls that I have personally met (some from here and other forums) have been fabulous and I have made a lot of friends.

Unfortunately at the same time, there are a lot of idiots sat behind their keyboards who are jealous for some reason and have nothing better to do than criticise.

Everyday is a school day, I am usually at my garage now but just researching the correct depth of the RMS!!

[TROOPER88]

shalmaneser said:

That does look clean, but no a/c! Would limit it's usefulness for many.

Haha

I was offered that exact car circa 2 months ago.

I did not view it.

[snotrag]

shalmaneser said:

That does look clean, but no a/c! Would limit it's usefulness for many.

Best way. Lighter, shorter pulley run, no condensers to (undoubtedly) replace or rot your radiators, and you get the much cleaner heating control panel, not the awful 1990s 'beep beep' panel.

And you can run a console delete very easily.

That car is a great spec IMO, very early, guards, full leather, sport classic wheels, sports seats. Its a nice one.

Edited by snotrag on Thursday 11th March 11:53

[raceboy]

snotrag said:

Best way. Lighter, shorter pulley run, no condensers to (undoubtedly) replace or rot your radiators, and you get the much cleaner heating control panel, not the awful 1990s 'beep beep' panel.

I'd certainly see no A/C as a positive rather than a negative, would much rather it not be there than be told the classic 'just needs a regas' which really means it needs £400 spending on condensers or plumbing, and if it's hot the roof should be off.

[ooid]

Agree on Non A.C. Said here many times, I run my old 986 without A.C, no problem at all. Heating works great in winter, and no need to deal with that condensers crap. The cooling system works much efficiently without A.C. condensers too in summer.

[edc]

TROOPER88 said:

edc said:

Must be close to nothing when you take into account collection/delivery of car, time spent on prep etc.

Again....

How can you say this when you have no idea of the price I paid at purchase?

I am intrigued

It's an educated opinion not fact. There aren't many sub £3.5k cars out there in the first place let alone many that will have margin to spend your time and say £1k of parts. It's not a slur but a post to highlight that not all cars are necessarily high margin ones. I'm sure one day you will end up with a pup and take a hit on it but that's the game. Plenty of other traders will have too. I know one dealer close to me who sold a cheap ish 986 and I was surprised to see it back a year later thinking it was in for a service. But it had a costly engine problem so was returned and was being rebuilt for re-sale. All the margin and some was wiped out on that one for sure. In fact I'm quite supportive of what you do and have posted as such on some of the threads on Boxa. If you haven't already have a look at some of the Friends Green videos on YouTube. It's quite nice to see the transparency in some of the prep and as usual some cars need more than others. I know they too have been slated by others but clearly he's turning around a lot of cars.

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edc said:

It's an educated opinion not fact. There aren't many sub £3.5k cars out there in the first place let alone many that will have margin to spend your time and say £1k of parts. It's not a slur but a post to highlight that not all cars are necessarily high margin ones. I'm sure one day you will end up with a pup and take a hit on it but that's the game. Plenty of other traders will have too. I know one dealer close to me who sold a cheap ish 986 and I was surprised to see it back a year later thinking it was in for a service. But it had a costly engine problem so was returned and was being rebuilt for re-sale. All the margin and some was wiped out on that one for sure. In fact I'm quite supportive of what you do and have posted as such on some of the threads on Boxa. If you haven't already have a look at some of the Friends Green videos on YouTube. It's quite nice to see the transparency in some of the prep and as usual some cars need more than others. I know they too have been slated by others but clearly he's turning around a lot of cars.

I understand your point but you said 'Must be close to nothing when you take into account collection/delivery of car, time spent on prep etc'

This maybe your opinion but unfortunately it is false.

I have purchased quite a few 986's for sub 1k within the past 18 months. Prices have now increased but only 2 weeks ago, I acquired a running car, with MOT and history for £1500.

Friends Green do good videos but they simply do not help themselves. I emailed them 3 days ago to enquire as to sourcing the EPS IMSB's as this is the one I have chosen and the one they use.

I have not had a reply....

The reason being as my enquiry was not going to make them any money; this I not how I operate. I have offered advice to people who purchased a car from me 6-12 months later. I will soon be looking for a 996 C4S, would I now buy from FGP, no I would not - as I tell every single person who I meet in regard to a 986 sale or advice - treat people how you would like to be treated and the business will take care of itself.

With regard the other website mentioned, I was in email talks with the site owner last week and unfortunately due to a couple of members on there, I will not continue to offer support and advice to many other decent folk on there due to the small minority. Such a shame.

Quite a high percentage of users of these forums are slightly older folk who have nothing better to do than criticise my work.

With regard to buying a pup, again 'no' sorry, you are wrong.

I am currently doing the IMS etc on a 986 (I am taking a lunch break ), I did not know that this was going to be required but there was a noise that I suspected to be the clutch release bearing and indeed I am right but naturally with the box etc of, I will do the clutch, AOS, IMSB and the RMS.

Any issue that I come up against with the 986's, I will sort and if I can't do it, my local and trusted independent specialist will.

The car I am now working on will be sold for quite a bit more money due to me doing the IMS.

It is like life in general at times, it is all about turning a negative into a positive and some people are better at doing this than others.

Paul

[Escy]

TROOPER88 said:

I have purchased quite a few 986's for sub 1k within the past 18 months. Prices have now increased but only 2 weeks ago, I acquired a running car, with MOT and history for £1500.

I'm not going full Piers Morgan but I'd suggest a running and driving 986 for £1000 is very much an exception rather than a steady supply. I've never seen a running driving 986 that's a suitable candidate to be re-sold (ie not some dodgy matt black paint job, etc) advertised for 2k, let alone 1k.

If you are getting them through the trade you must know someone that doesn't like money. Any dog rough Boxster that's running would sell for 2k+ on ebay within 24 hours. They are worth 3-4k in parts.

[edc]

Eporsch and RPM look to use the EPS bearing. Eporsch used to may be no longer got some of their supplies from design911. I'm sure most outfits whether cars or other will be cagey sharing their supply chain.

I'm not out to get you but for the average reader here they aren't going to be picking up £1k solid 986s through the usual channels. Great for you that you that you can hunt them out and turn them around for a profit but even using your stats of sale £3.4k, purchase £1.5k, parts £1k, labour time circa 20 hours, your time to collect and inspect, it doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room to cover your warranty, tools, overheads etc.

[gizlaroc]

2.9 987.2 manual Cayman with 138k miles on it, was a cat N, so non structural damage....£10k.

https://www.facebook.com/LodgeSportsRacing


Could be a great car to buy and rack up the miles in without giving a st.

[Luke.]

Not for £10k. Maybe £8 or £9k.

[gizlaroc]

Well, for an 80k mile car you will pay £18k?

Do 60k miles in it over the next 5 years and it will be at 120k miles, 15 years old and worth what? £8k? So £10k loss?

That car would be at 200k and worth what? Probably £4-5k still?
£5-6k loss.


£4-5k buys you a nice suspension refresh, and still leaves you £2k or more for upkeep.


Get it for £9k or £8k and even better. I agree.



I used to worry so much about mileage, would always pay more for low miles and then worry about racking the miles up as it killed the value. I would rather buy at a better price and simply not care.