I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[Escy]

ATM said:

Are you gonna check it out or just posting for others?

Looks cheap enough yes, almost suspiciously cheap.

Interior looks grey to me so triple grey right?

Posting it for others. This thread has died a death lately and I thought this was one worth a share. I know what you mean about suspiciously cheap. I could imagine a dealer asking 12k for a 3.4 with 60k miles in the current market.

I'd personally want to get it bore scoped before pulling the trigger (would with any 3.4)

[RM]

Escy said:

I'd personally want to get it bore scoped before pulling the trigger (would with any 3.4)

Very much. You're better placed than most to know, what is a 3.4 987 with a knackered engine worth?

I think the maths works for a Hartech rebuild on 996/997 but not so much on a 987. Not sure why that is though, I'm sure a Hartech 3.7 equipped 987 would be a lovely thing.

[ATM]

RM said:

Escy said:

I'd personally want to get it bore scoped before pulling the trigger (would with any 3.4)

Very much. You're better placed than most to know, what is a 3.4 987 with a knackered engine worth?

I think the maths works for a Hartech rebuild on 996/997 but not so much on a 987. Not sure why that is though, I'm sure a Hartech 3.7 equipped 987 would be a lovely thing.

I think the general feeling - well mine anyway - is that adding capacity to these mid engine cars adds to the problems of cooling. I've seen some comments from somewhere of a guy with an enlarged engine in a 987.1 cayman and he was constantly chasing heat problems. But he was using it a lot on track so perhaps not the same for road use.

Escy will know about heat problems in these cars. Is it a thing?

[Escy]

RM said:

Very much. You're better placed than most to know, what is a 3.4 987 with a knackered engine worth?

I think the maths works for a Hartech rebuild on 996/997 but not so much on a 987. Not sure why that is though, I'm sure a Hartech 3.7 equipped 987 would be a lovely thing.

Nothing suggests this car does have a dodgy engine, might just be a case of a seller who isn't aware the values are a bit buoyant at the moment and he's priced in some of the marks he's mentioned. Potential for a genuine bargain here I think.

I paid £3500 for a 2.7 with a dodgy engine but it was the start of lockdown and the market had gone the other way, there were a few running 987's available with a price starting with a 6.

The value in these cars is kept quite high based on what they are worth in parts. Fag packet numbers on this 987 assuming it's all good, I think it's worth 10k in parts. That's why a Boxster/Cayman needing a 10k engine build isn't advertised 10k less than a good one.

There is this one on ebay, looks nice, no engine or gearbox and they want 5k for it and it's been advertised for ages, there's not much of a market for it. If I had the space and time, I'd love to re-shell my bits into that one.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184892377199?hash=item2...

That one on ebay is physically missing an engine and gearbox, a good 3.4 engine is around 3500-4500, a good gearbox is 1500. Even a bad engine needing a re-build is worth about 2k+ in parts. A bore scored Boxster/Cayman is probably worth about 6.5 - 7.5k depending on spec. A poor investment if you were to ship it off for a 10k rebuild.

[Escy]

ATM said:

I think the general feeling - well mine anyway - is that adding capacity to these mid engine cars adds to the problems of cooling. I've seen some comments from somewhere of a guy with an enlarged engine in a 987.1 cayman and he was constantly chasing heat problems. But he was using it a lot on track so perhaps not the same for road use.

Escy will know about heat problems in these cars. Is it a thing?

It's not a thing in my experience. I'd assume my engine being turbocharged and making 500bhp is putting a lot more heat into the cooling system than a bored out n/a engine. I'm using just the standard side radiators with a/c condensers mounted in front of them, my coolant temperatures are consistent at 85-90c, even after multiple back to back pulls on the dyno. The cooling system itself is adequate but my engine is an iron block so it's going to be less sensitive to temperature fluctuations inside the block which seems to be a contributing factor of bore score?

[ooid]

I think 986 still looks like a great poverty pork deal.

The cheapest 2.9 (gen 2), boxsters are still around 14-15k with highmiles. The engines are great, but they will probably have similar porsche expenses such as cooling pipes and suspension. (

Around 5k, semi-decent 986s still around. The worse case scenario you might probably spend around 5k more and you will have a decent mid-engine flat 6 to drive around.

[Digga]

ooid said:

I think 986 still looks like a great poverty pork deal.

The cheapest 2.9 (gen 2), boxsters are still around 14-15k with highmiles. The engines are great, but they will probably have similar porsche expenses such as cooling pipes and suspension. (

Around 5k, semi-decent 986s still around. The worse case scenario you might probably spend around 5k more and you will have a decent mid-engine flat 6 to drive around.

Agree. I think they can look, for the money, pretty special really. At a time when ratty or average spec E30 BMW's are fetching far stronger money, these look a good buy if you go in eyes open.

[Scho]

julian987R said:

blimey.....

Ewwww, Is there no replacement buttons available?

[Escy]

It's a common issue, you can buy replacement buttons for £80.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacement-switches-fo...

[minimoog]

I'm always a bit perplexed when cars with set-and-forget Auto climate, like that one, have the temp and fan controls worn out.

I've never touched those buttons since I first got mine.

[Escy]

I can see why you wouldn't touch them in a Cayman but Boxsters tend to get the windscreen mist up easily, I'm often de-misting my windscreen but adjusting the level and temperature.

[ATM]

ooid said:

I think 986 still looks like a great poverty pork deal.

The cheapest 2.9 (gen 2), boxsters are still around 14-15k with highmiles. The engines are great, but they will probably have similar porsche expenses such as cooling pipes and suspension. (

Around 5k, semi-decent 986s still around. The worse case scenario you might probably spend around 5k more and you will have a decent mid-engine flat 6 to drive around.

I'm happily daily driving my little 986 - well if I do drive anywhere I try to use this one. The gearshift is loosening up a tiny bit and I'm getting more accustomed to the ASBO exhaust. I even had a verbal compliment from a young man at the PCR test centre yesterday. So much car these and not even that expensive compared to ridiculous pricing increases elsewhere.

[KPB1973]

Totally agree, even down to the asbo exhaust (I have one too) although I have been tempted back into a nice aqua blue 987.2 BS.

Suffice to say, with all the important (and a lot of not-so important) work done on my old 986, it's had significant interest on Ebay with nearly 50 watchers.

It does look as if the world has woken up to them.

[2Btoo]

Escy said:

It's a common issue, you can buy replacement buttons for £80.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacement-switches-fo...

I think you can clean the old paint off with some thinners and re-spray with some rattle can matt black. Total cost a few quid at the most. Downside is that you lose the small illuminated symbol on each control, but I'd be happy to do this and keep the £80 in my pocket.

[minimoog]

Escy said:

I can see why you wouldn't touch them in a Cayman but Boxsters tend to get the windscreen mist up easily, I'm often de-misting my windscreen but adjusting the level and temperature.

Mine's a Boxster. There's a windscreen demist button that puts the fan on full to the screen.

[Escy]

Yeah, I rarely find it's what I want. I typically want a constant but slower flow of warm air on a cold morning, if I don't direct the air flow onto the screen it will mist up again. I use those buttons every time I drive the car.

[ATM]

In the 986 it's just the volume control on the radio that disintegrates. And the Central cubby.

[Escy]

And the LCD on the climate control unit!

[ATM]

Escy said:

And the LCD on the climate control unit!

Oh

[ATM]

Escy said:

Thought this looks a steal if it checks out. 2006 Boxster S 3.4. 60k miles, 7.5k. Good spec, extended leather, sports seats (heated), sports steering wheel.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/25848943...

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