New Boxter Clunking Steering On Full Lock

New Boxter Clunking Steering On Full Lock

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Lordbenny

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8,584 posts

219 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Just back from my mates place after he kindly offered me a drive in his brand new Boxter. I pull out of his drive on full lock and the car violently juddered to the left. As I continued at a VERY slow pace the car continued to jump/knock until I straightened the wheel!

We looked at each other in shock, this wasn't a little knock, it was pretty violent. It did it on left and right lock, in forward and reverse.

My mate has subsequently phone his dealer to be told....'yes they all do that sir!'

Questions

1)Do they 'all do that'?

2)Is it a fixable problem?

3)Why wasn't he told when he bought the car?....from a VERY well known, established Surrey main Porsche dealer!

Magic919

14,126 posts

201 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Ackermann by the sounds of it. I only really notice it when parking 911 tight onto drive.

cay

351 posts

156 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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My Cayman does it, as did the new Boxster I had on loan last week.

It did seem a bit worse on the new one for some reason.

richardrsc

328 posts

135 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Lordbenny said:
Just back from my mates place after he kindly offered me a drive in his brand new Boxter. I pull out of his drive on full lock and the car violently juddered to the left. As I continued at a VERY slow pace the car continued to jump/knock until I straightened the wheel!

We looked at each other in shock, this wasn't a little knock, it was pretty violent. It did it on left and right lock, in forward and reverse.

My mate has subsequently phone his dealer to be told....'yes they all do that sir!'

Questions

1)Do they 'all do that'?

2)Is it a fixable problem?

3)Why wasn't he told when he bought the car?....from a VERY well known, established Surrey main Porsche dealer!
My 911 makes a funny noice, like the wheel hitting the arches on full lock when the tyres are cold, so did the newish (2012 I think) boxster I borrowed recently. Wouldn't say it was 'violent' though.

Dealer did say 'yes, they all do that Sir, it's the wheels crabbing when they are cold'.. or something like that.

I've now driven two porsches, so with my limited experience, they do indeed 'all do that'.

Lordbenny

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8,584 posts

219 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Thanks for the replies....So sorry about the misspelling of Boxster getmecoat (I did know that was how it's spelt but forget!...Forgive me!)

So it seems they do indeed 'all do that' well all I can say is....They shouldn't! It scared the bejesus out of us!

richardrsc

328 posts

135 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Lordbenny said:
Thanks for the replies....So sorry about the misspelling of Boxster getmecoat (I did know that was how it's spelt but forget!...Forgive me!)

So it seems they do indeed 'all do that' well all I can say is....They shouldn't! It scared the bejesus out of us!
Yes me too the first time - agree they should really mention that when you buy it!

gtforty2601

166 posts

222 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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This happened to me when I had a new Cayman S to try for the day last Sunday. Sounded horrible as though something serious was happening in the drive train somewhere, however the salesman confirmed that "they all do that sir" and it was caused by the tyres trying to slip sideways - Ackerman, as someone has suggested?

Ian_UK1

1,514 posts

194 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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They do all do this, yes. Perfectly normal. As someone pointed-out above it's to do with the Ackerman steering geometry (together with the extra camber that is imparted to the wheels in a turn) and very wide tyres - it causes the front wheels to 'hop' on full lock.

Generally speaking, it's much more noticeable when the tyres are really cold as the tread blocks/rubber compound won't deflect nearly as much to accommodate some of the geometry-induced tyre/suspension compression.

Stop worrying. Enjoy the car.

Edited by Ian_UK1 on Thursday 28th March 18:27

Lordbenny

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8,584 posts

219 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Ian_UK1 said:
Stop worrying. Enjoy the car.
I will....On Saturday!!! driving

Ian_UK1

1,514 posts

194 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Lordbenny said:
I will....On Saturday!!! driving
Sounds perfect..... smile

FisiP1

1,279 posts

153 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Yep low speed U-turns and such are the worst for this, it does sound bad but it's totally normal and they all do it.

sootyvrs

364 posts

142 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Ian_UK1 said:
They do all do this, yes. Perfectly normal. As someone pointed-out above it's to do with the Ackerman steering geometry (together with the extra camber that is imparted to the wheels in a turn) and very wide tyres - it causes the front wheels to 'hop' on full lock.

Generally speaking, it's much more noticeable when the tyres are really cold as the tread blocks/rubber compound won't deflect nearly as much to accommodate some of the geometry-induced tyre/suspension compression.
Was always curious what caused it as I get it with mine every time I reverse out of my driveway but always assumed it was just a "characteristic" of recent Porsches

rob.kellock

2,213 posts

192 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Yes, I have experienced this too in two loaner 981 Boxsters. The one with 20 inch wheels was worse than the one on 19s.

khushy

3,964 posts

219 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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tyres scrubbing - nothing more!

lastexile69

513 posts

171 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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Not a recent thing either - my 12 year old 986 does it too, proper disconcerting until you get used to it. Interestingly it seems more noticeable in my opinion on Michelins compared to Contis. Must be the tread block differences I spose.

Nohedes

345 posts

227 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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It's not a unique issue for Porsche - I believe it's quite common for mid-engines cars to do this, my VX220 used to do it so I wasn't too surprised that my Cayman does.

Still if you want a car that's excellent at u-turns, try a black cab! wink

steve singh

3,995 posts

173 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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Wait until you have to sell it to someone who doesn't have experience of Porsches! I had such a headache trying to convince someone that the car was ok!!!

edcs

1,228 posts

170 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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My 986 does it - hate going full lock as it sounds like it's ripping the tyres to shreds.

Lordbenny

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8,584 posts

219 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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steve singh said:
Wait until you have to sell it to someone who doesn't have experience of Porsches! I had such a headache trying to convince someone that the car was ok!!!
The whole post was that it had been bought by someone with no experience of Porches!

2.7 with £1800 sports exhaust upgrade....sounds amazing!

Here it is:


edcs

1,228 posts

170 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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That looks fantastic thumbup