Is the 993 next?
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I'll give them a call. Would like to see some of the inside before going over and can now see what you mean with the drivers seat. The 993cab they have has had extensive work done by PC which sounds like the result of a buyers own ppi. I'd 100% want the same. It's not a cheap car if it has problems as long as your arm.
Anyone able to say if these are oem 993 wheels on the car or could they be boxster wheels just from the photos? The Garage has mentioned they haven't always been on the car. Would they make any difference when your looking to upgrade the suspension?
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Edited by Bund on Thursday 14th November 11:09
Bund said:
Anyone able to say if these are oem 993 wheels on the car or could they be boxster wheels just from the photos? The Garage has mentioned they haven't always been on the car. Would they make any difference when your looking to upgrade the suspension?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
They were a genuine 993 option, and are called Sport Classics. However, you can get copies so check they have right 993 Porsche part numbers on them (Google it). You will have to take a wheel off to see it.http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by Bund on Thursday 14th November 11:09
They will be fine with susp upgrades.
I think, like the rest of the market, prices have stalled or stabilised, now the euphoria has moderated.
However, the aircooled market - pre-impact/3.2s/964s/993s - should always remain fairly buoyant for the very best cars, in the most desirable spec. Buyers are more savvy, so average or compromised cars may fall to more realistic price levels.
I see the latest Classic Cars mag has the 993 as one of their 'Hot 30' future investment predictions.
However, the aircooled market - pre-impact/3.2s/964s/993s - should always remain fairly buoyant for the very best cars, in the most desirable spec. Buyers are more savvy, so average or compromised cars may fall to more realistic price levels.
I see the latest Classic Cars mag has the 993 as one of their 'Hot 30' future investment predictions.
zero corrosion said:
mollytherocker said:
Most of you will be well aware of the significant rise in air cooled values, recently the 964 and in the last year or so, the 3.2.
But what about the 993? Values have been stuck fast for about the last 7 years but we are seeing some movement, certainly on low milers and the Turbo of course. The RS went ballistic ages ago and we dont need to mention the mighty GT2!
But what about the Carreras and Targas? Apparently the below Targa has just sold for 40k! Even with the Diesel typo error!
So, are they on the move, or not?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-911-993-Targa-19...
To answer your question..........noBut what about the 993? Values have been stuck fast for about the last 7 years but we are seeing some movement, certainly on low milers and the Turbo of course. The RS went ballistic ages ago and we dont need to mention the mighty GT2!
But what about the Carreras and Targas? Apparently the below Targa has just sold for 40k! Even with the Diesel typo error!
So, are they on the move, or not?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-911-993-Targa-19...
I think the boat has sailed and TBH with regards to the air-cooled cars the 993 despite popular forum opinion the 993 is not the favourite AC car, people tend to talk up the values especially if they own one.
Any old very low mile 911 commands a sales premium.
Personally speaking i think the ship has sailed with all the air-cooled cars.
ClassicCarMad said:
What he said. Ship sailed long since
Both above quotes from October 2013. (Pages 1 & 2 of this thread).I bought my 993 C2 Manual Coupe with full OPC history, sport seats and working aircon with just two previous owners for £18K in March 2012. 110K miles.
Now at 140K miles with still working aircon, full OPC history and I've just been offered just shy of 40K for her...... Compared to the likes of TR4s that are circ 30K and Mini Coopers S from the late sixties at 30-40K, no real history with either and in the case of the Coopers probs not even the original shell, plus they built far more than the 993, the 993 is a bloody bargain IMHO.
Personally I don't give a damn on values, I was just lucky to buy when I did, I coudnt afford a good one now thats for sure.
Edited by Wozy68 on Thursday 7th September 16:07
Not that it makes any difference to me or others I suspect, however I do find it odd that G series 911s and 964s went from being cheaper than 993s (C2 Manuals) to appreciating at a faster rate.
Where 993s in general seemed to have roughly doubled in price, the aforementioned cars have roughly tripled in the same time frame.
I love them all however after experiencing how rust and potential looming engine rebuilds on the earlier cars can become a long expensive journey, I opted for the 993 which 5 years on I still love dearly.
Oh it's got a great arse too!
Where 993s in general seemed to have roughly doubled in price, the aforementioned cars have roughly tripled in the same time frame.
I love them all however after experiencing how rust and potential looming engine rebuilds on the earlier cars can become a long expensive journey, I opted for the 993 which 5 years on I still love dearly.
Oh it's got a great arse too!
Solarized said:
Not that it makes any difference to me or others I suspect, however I do find it odd that G series 911s and 964s went from being cheaper than 993s (C2 Manuals) to appreciating at a faster rate.
Where 993s in general seemed to have roughly doubled in price, the aforementioned cars have roughly tripled in the same time frame.
I love them all however after experiencing how rust and potential looming engine rebuilds on the earlier cars can become a long expensive journey, I opted for the 993 which 5 years on I still love dearly.
Oh it's got a great arse too!
Same here. ^^^^^ Where 993s in general seemed to have roughly doubled in price, the aforementioned cars have roughly tripled in the same time frame.
I love them all however after experiencing how rust and potential looming engine rebuilds on the earlier cars can become a long expensive journey, I opted for the 993 which 5 years on I still love dearly.
Oh it's got a great arse too!
Thats a lovely looking 993. Though I may be biased with the colour
I don't think the 993 is unloved - although Coupes are more loved than Cabs, and Targas probably least loved.
I think it's partly due to the front wing and bumper treatment. The horizontal front wings (1963-93) were an integral part of the 911's iconic design, and the 993 has never been as photogenic from certain angles.
I think it's partly due to the front wing and bumper treatment. The horizontal front wings (1963-93) were an integral part of the 911's iconic design, and the 993 has never been as photogenic from certain angles.
C4ME said:
The 993 still feels like the unloved child at the moment. 964 and 996 either side seem more in favour.
The 993 was the outlier of the air cooled era because of the front end treatment. It doesn't matter if you like the 993 front end or not, if you want the classic 911 look you have to go 964 or earlier. There's no way around that unless you're going to backdate. The 993 has had a solid enthusiatic support base for a long time. I think there's a generational bubble in the media who grew up in the 90's. And a key buying demographic today would be probably men in their fifties who would have been in their car magazien loving 20's during the reign of the 993.
The 996 isn't particularly loved for it's looks by some but it's pretty universally recognised as a brilliant driving machine and that's where a lot of the focus is on with that model. If you like it's looks, then that's a bonus.
So people probably fall into one of three camps, lovers of the classic 911 shape and nothing else will do.
Lovers of a brilliant sports car (at one point supercar) experience for whom the 996 delivers at incredibly affordable prices.
Or that special group who have a particularfondness for the 993 and who probably first saw it from the rear and have never stopped looking at that angle since. The 993 will never slip into unloved child territory with them and the fact that it's air cooled means the classic crowd will always give it cred on that score.
i'm 35 and the 993 was in production between the ages of me being 12 to 16.
It was THE Porsche my generation would ogle at if ever seen on the road. I still remember seeing one parked on the hill about age 15 and thinking f*cking hell, that is the nicest car I have ever seen.
Feel there's lots of others my age with similar nostalgia and this gen are around the age where in the coming years earning enough that they start to become affordable. don't see demand going away.
It was THE Porsche my generation would ogle at if ever seen on the road. I still remember seeing one parked on the hill about age 15 and thinking f*cking hell, that is the nicest car I have ever seen.
Feel there's lots of others my age with similar nostalgia and this gen are around the age where in the coming years earning enough that they start to become affordable. don't see demand going away.
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