997 Turbo upgrade to 9e 28 by Nine Excellence (pic heavy)
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SRT Hellcat said:
IMI A said:
My clutch or driveshaft has gone so the 9e 28 won't make it but another one is going. I'll still come along and say hello.
please do. It will be great to meet you and the guysExcellent videos. Were these taken at Woodbridge
Edited by SRT Hellcat on Saturday 24th September 09:17
Good meeting you Graham. Awesome car.
A friends manual 997.1 t 9e 28 ran standing mile at approaching 190mph which is astonishing for a bolt on kit with no meth. Other stats 60-186 kph in 22 secs. 0-300kph in 26 secs. VMAX on his VBOX 202mph although 199mph through TVs own trap. I think their timing gear was perhaps out as a 991 turbo S ran 205mph according to trap but the owners own VBOX said 198mph.
The most impressive was the ES Motors flash and catless zorst with meth for gen 2 PDK turbo. Car ran well over 202mph and 0-300kph in 22 secs which is astonishing. To get that sort of performance out of a manual gen 1 you'd need to spend well over £20,000 and no guarantee engine won't blow up without stronger head studs and con rods so add another £15,000 to £20,000 if you want to build engine and do the job properly. These gen 2 turbos are weapons and for about £7000 of mods with ES Motor, 9e or Litchfield you get a car as quick as a 918. The PDK and 3.8 displacement is a real advantage.
Few other pics. Son hitched a ride in an Aventador SV thanks to Amir who owns the Lambo and also runs UK arm of ES Motors. Many thanks : )
Took the Cup 2 and BBS F1 off and running OEM size wheels/tyres (PS2). Only a small difference in tyre size 235 and 305 instead of slightly larger GT2 RS size 245 and 325 but there's a marked improvement in acceleration back on OEM size tyres. Will VBOX to verify but I reckon seat of the pants she is down to sub 6.5 secs to 100 mph and the beauty is car feels totally OEM. Downside on OEM size tyres is car understeers more which takes shine off the handling IMO. Have to be slow into corners on OEM size. I like what Chris at Excel Wheels has done with the OEM wheels.
BBS F1
OEM
Also reprogrammed PASM via 9e with TPC DSC module. Transforms rebound and improves how flat she is through corners. One of the best mods IMO. 20,000 fault free miles on 9e 28 power package.
BBS F1
OEM
Also reprogrammed PASM via 9e with TPC DSC module. Transforms rebound and improves how flat she is through corners. One of the best mods IMO. 20,000 fault free miles on 9e 28 power package.
Ran at VMAX on 25 March.
Tough day with strong head winds. Was running the car on MS 109.
488, F12 TDF, Huracan, 570 S, new NSX all struggled to live with the old banger both with top speed and running head to head in drag race - most pleasing scalp was an Aventador SV!
I reckon many of the expensive cars were under driven personally as I was only 7mph down from my best top speed. I was v.unlucky not to pip the MSL C63 into second on the run he ran 197mph 5th gear baulked in the turbo and he got away from me.
Good fun though and shows how weather conditions on the day play a big part on top speeds achieved.
Bugatti Veyron 200
MSL Mercedes C63 197
9e 28 997 Turbo 195
991 Turbo S ES750 193
BMW F10 M5 Evolve193
Porsche 997Turbo 191
Audi RS6 191
McLaren 570S 191
BMW M5 F10 DME 191
Pagani Huayra 191
Porche 997 TT 190
Ferrari 488 190
Ferrari F12 TDF 189
Lamborghini Gallardo 189
Mercedes E63 189
BMW M5 F10 188
McLaren 675LT 188
Lamborghini Huracan camouflage 187
2016 BMW M3 184
Nissan GTR 184
M5 F10 dms 184
911 Turbo 183
UBB Mustang Widowmaker 182
Porsche 991 Turbo 182
Porsche 991 Turbo S 181
BMW M4 180
Nissan GTR 180
997 GT2 ES650 180
GTR WHITE 179
C6 RS6 178
Aston Martin V12 VS 177
Ferrari California T 176
Ferrari 458 176
M4 176
Honda NSX 176
Audi RS6 Avant 176
Ferrari 458 175
Lamborghini SV roadster 175
Zagato Vanquish 175
RS6 174
Porsche 991 GT3RS 174
RS6 C7 173
Shelby Daytona 173
A6 matt 173
Mercedes AMG GTS 172
Nissan GTR 172
Vanquish 171
Bentley SS 169
Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 169
996 Turbo 168
Ferrari F430 166
VW Golf R32 163
Ultima GTR 161
Audi RS4 avant 160
HURACAN GOLD 158
Mustang 157
Porsche 911 4S 156
Sierra Cosworth 152
Morgan 149
Porsche Boxster S 149
Porsche C2S 148
Shelby Daytona 143
Honda Del Sol 121
Tough day with strong head winds. Was running the car on MS 109.
488, F12 TDF, Huracan, 570 S, new NSX all struggled to live with the old banger both with top speed and running head to head in drag race - most pleasing scalp was an Aventador SV!
I reckon many of the expensive cars were under driven personally as I was only 7mph down from my best top speed. I was v.unlucky not to pip the MSL C63 into second on the run he ran 197mph 5th gear baulked in the turbo and he got away from me.
Good fun though and shows how weather conditions on the day play a big part on top speeds achieved.
Bugatti Veyron 200
MSL Mercedes C63 197
9e 28 997 Turbo 195
991 Turbo S ES750 193
BMW F10 M5 Evolve193
Porsche 997Turbo 191
Audi RS6 191
McLaren 570S 191
BMW M5 F10 DME 191
Pagani Huayra 191
Porche 997 TT 190
Ferrari 488 190
Ferrari F12 TDF 189
Lamborghini Gallardo 189
Mercedes E63 189
BMW M5 F10 188
McLaren 675LT 188
Lamborghini Huracan camouflage 187
2016 BMW M3 184
Nissan GTR 184
M5 F10 dms 184
911 Turbo 183
UBB Mustang Widowmaker 182
Porsche 991 Turbo 182
Porsche 991 Turbo S 181
BMW M4 180
Nissan GTR 180
997 GT2 ES650 180
GTR WHITE 179
C6 RS6 178
Aston Martin V12 VS 177
Ferrari California T 176
Ferrari 458 176
M4 176
Honda NSX 176
Audi RS6 Avant 176
Ferrari 458 175
Lamborghini SV roadster 175
Zagato Vanquish 175
RS6 174
Porsche 991 GT3RS 174
RS6 C7 173
Shelby Daytona 173
A6 matt 173
Mercedes AMG GTS 172
Nissan GTR 172
Vanquish 171
Bentley SS 169
Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 169
996 Turbo 168
Ferrari F430 166
VW Golf R32 163
Ultima GTR 161
Audi RS4 avant 160
HURACAN GOLD 158
Mustang 157
Porsche 911 4S 156
Sierra Cosworth 152
Morgan 149
Porsche Boxster S 149
Porsche C2S 148
Shelby Daytona 143
Honda Del Sol 121
9e 28 said:
Few 9e cars at VMAX this Sat for last VMAX of the year.
9e 28 is at VMAX again this Saturday and hopefully we will get some good vbox info and data logging if its a nice day.
Best times so far (in the wet and uphill gradient)
0-60 mph - 3.6 secs 3.0 secs
50-70 mph - 1.2 secs 0.8 secs
0-100 mph - 7.1 secs 6.1 ses
60-100 mph - 3.2 secs 2.8 secs
60-186 mph - 24 secs 18 secs
VMAX 202.3 mph within 1.3 miles 215mph
Thread resurrection! 9e 28 is at VMAX again this Saturday and hopefully we will get some good vbox info and data logging if its a nice day.
Best times so far (in the wet and uphill gradient)
0-60 mph - 3.6 secs 3.0 secs
50-70 mph - 1.2 secs 0.8 secs
0-100 mph - 7.1 secs 6.1 ses
60-100 mph - 3.2 secs 2.8 secs
60-186 mph - 24 secs 18 secs
VMAX 202.3 mph within 1.3 miles 215mph
Fair bit of progress over last few years and she's even quicker now. I've updated her stats for race fuel which we tuned for a few years ago and she's been treated to a full glass out respray post ending up in a farmers field at VMAX.
9e and 911v kindly arranged/carried out all the repairs and she went from this at VMAX on my first run hitting 215mph! 9e said they've never removed so much mud from a car and gave me a v.light bill according to 911v so many thanks Ken/Tom
to this and still all original panel the damage was very light as field was very wet and very boggy.
5 years ago when I set off I benchmarked 991 turbo s in terms of straight-line thrust.
991.2 turbo s v 9e 997.1 turbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrgwLSR7qwo
I also ran against 570 s next race same result actually gap was fair bit a they struggle at launch.
Also here's some VBOX stats that can be compared to previous VBOX stats I've put up on this thread for turbo nerds. Difference night and day actually especially on race fuel so those big Nissan GTRs setting crazy ring records back in the day defo cheating IMO.
Same race fuel cheating with Cargraphic in this test IMO https://www.motor1.com/news/17828/cargraphic-997-t... I run exactly same performance stats as their car on race fuel and I run same stats as Rufs RT12 on v power. Too much coincidence.
Edited by IMI A on Friday 27th March 16:00
Edited by IMI A on Friday 27th March 16:11
Awesome numbers. I had booked in for April but of course that is cancelled. A friend was coming along as well to run his E63amg.
June if it goes ahead I cannot make as it is the SPA summer classic. It would be good to catch up again. I am running R888R's now so hopefully a little more grip off the line
June if it goes ahead I cannot make as it is the SPA summer classic. It would be good to catch up again. I am running R888R's now so hopefully a little more grip off the line
Cheers Gra. This modding thing is a slippery slope as you know.
I've not done anything else since five years ago other than 9e give me a new tune everytime they update it. So they used to quote approx. 640PS for this power kit and they now claim 680PS ish on v power. On a cool day she'll give bit more.
Next stage is forged engine with meth for cooling (£15k) forged gearbox (£10k) and trick suspension (£10k). This allows 800PS Mad Max mode to be run all the time on V Power. Or changeover fig to Mcl 720s which I like a lot is £120k for virtually a brand new car. Similar choice and position to 5 years ago
I've not done anything else since five years ago other than 9e give me a new tune everytime they update it. So they used to quote approx. 640PS for this power kit and they now claim 680PS ish on v power. On a cool day she'll give bit more.
Next stage is forged engine with meth for cooling (£15k) forged gearbox (£10k) and trick suspension (£10k). This allows 800PS Mad Max mode to be run all the time on V Power. Or changeover fig to Mcl 720s which I like a lot is £120k for virtually a brand new car. Similar choice and position to 5 years ago
Thanks. I'm due to try a friends 9e 28 on Bilstein B16 Damptronics again. Will then decide which coilovers. Ohlins, KW, DDA Tractive other options. I went for these 380mm brakes from a friend - can't wait to fit! I may just do these last two things then shes finished at 680PS with chassis and brakes to match.
Having said that it would be lovely to run her at 800PS all the time which is doable! The slippery slope
Having said that it would be lovely to run her at 800PS all the time which is doable! The slippery slope
IMI A said:
Same race fuel cheating with Cargraphic in this test IMO https://www.motor1.com/news/17828/cargraphic-997-t... I run exactly same performance stats as their car on race fuel and I run same stats as Rufs RT12 on v power. Too much coincidence.
Hey Im, hope you guys are all well ? this Cargraphic car you reference above was quoted as having 624PS/826NM for this test but that was because all cars had to have TUV and that was the motor which had the certification, in fact the engine was running 680PS/870NM, fully built with Secan intercoolers. There was no race gas used again because of TUVThe CG car was lightened to 1519kg and built for the circuit, it did the Hockeheim in 1:08.64.
I found the original engine dyno curves for this motor, checkout the torque which gives a really fat power curve, probably only possible with built engine and Secan.
Edited by TB993tt on Sunday 29th March 12:24
Hi T, If I reduce weight to from 1585kg to 1520kg do you think this will get me to 0-300kph in 23 secs? On a good day I'm at 26-27 secs 0-300kph on pump fuel with 680PS if not a little more actually. Might be worth considering rather than more power as after 680PS lots of additional cooling needed.
I think the weight helps up to 200kph hence that 9.1s it helps with traction as there is less mass to get going but above 200kph it doesn't make a massive difference..
Like I said I think it is the stable (think engine dyno fully loading for 60 seconds) and fat power curve which really comes into play with the 15 second high loading 200-300kph, think how high the aerodynamic loading is from 250kph to 300kph, the Secan will be doing its thing.
I believe this is a flaw with these Maha MSR500 dynos, yes they give amazingly accurate stock power numbers but when tuned cars go on them I can't believe the power/torque numbers are as accurate due to the relatively unloaded conditions of the power runs.
BTW, 26s is extremely fast.... buy a cheap 720S and you are sub 20s, they are freaking terrifying !
Like I said I think it is the stable (think engine dyno fully loading for 60 seconds) and fat power curve which really comes into play with the 15 second high loading 200-300kph, think how high the aerodynamic loading is from 250kph to 300kph, the Secan will be doing its thing.
I believe this is a flaw with these Maha MSR500 dynos, yes they give amazingly accurate stock power numbers but when tuned cars go on them I can't believe the power/torque numbers are as accurate due to the relatively unloaded conditions of the power runs.
BTW, 26s is extremely fast.... buy a cheap 720S and you are sub 20s, they are freaking terrifying !
Yes would need to run with rods and headstuds I imagine to bring torque in like Porsche do. The difference between my 997 and SWMBOS's 991 laughable in this respect where low down response in newer car with PDK savage.You can block shift from 4th to 6th like I did in the 0-300kph above and still run very fast 0-300kph in 997. I will try at next VMAX but I think I can maybe start in 2nd gear block shift to 4th then 6th and still hit 0-300kph in 23-24 secs. You still land in the sweet spot of the torque curve around 4000rpm starting in second moving to fourth and then sixth gear so still a reasonably wide power band and very closely stacked gearing make her perfect for getting up a runway. You should try at next VMAX on race fuel if you like. 720s a freak absolutely love it. I love your GT2 more though Carlsberg pairing
I'm still working on the GT2, I had these done recently they are the Mosshammer intakes which like on the 991 GT2RS theorectically scoop more air to the intercoolers, I had them covered in matt carbon
I had the GT2 weighed the other day DIN ( full tank ) and it was a disappointing 1474, it is scary how you can add weight:
bigger metal gt3 intake pipe with ES metal plenum
bigger throttle body
bigger intercoolers
rear seat belts
heavier exhaust
crazy eddie seat bolsters
drexler lsd
front wheel arch extensions
front wheel spacers
bigger front tyres
techart drls
higher capacity battery
PPF
carbon covered mirror caps
carbon covered side intakes
Pretty easy to add the weight, a lot harder to take it off
I had the GT2 weighed the other day DIN ( full tank ) and it was a disappointing 1474, it is scary how you can add weight:
bigger metal gt3 intake pipe with ES metal plenum
bigger throttle body
bigger intercoolers
rear seat belts
heavier exhaust
crazy eddie seat bolsters
drexler lsd
front wheel arch extensions
front wheel spacers
bigger front tyres
techart drls
higher capacity battery
PPF
carbon covered mirror caps
carbon covered side intakes
Pretty easy to add the weight, a lot harder to take it off
IMI A said:
Haha at 800PS a few kgs here or there makes little or no difference!
Very nice can't wait to see what they look like on. Are you still going back to VTGs with 997?
The weight thing is about the feel, maybe it's a bit placebo..... my 993 definitely felt so much nicer when we got down to 1350kg.Very nice can't wait to see what they look like on. Are you still going back to VTGs with 997?
The VTG thing seems to have stalled, bloody German's communication is so bad that I don't know if I want to submit myself to the torture of sending my car to De again........ TBH is drives so well that it would be stupid to piss around with it, the throttle response is incredible.
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