Interesting 'Alzen Car'
Discussion
I am not sure I understand the motives of some people on this thread. Ultimately it's the sellers right to ask what he wants for the car. If he finds a buyer great. If not it's likely too expensive and will need to adjust the price. Like buying a house or before accepting a job you need to do your OWN due diligence. Why cast doubt on the car? What does that achieve? How would you feel if it was your car for sale? Seems to be a lot of people bent out of shape about current classic Porsche pricing. Either put up and buy one or shut up and buy something else
bigunit00 said:
I am not sure I understand the motives of some people on this thread. Ultimately it's the sellers right to ask what he wants for the car. If he finds a buyer great. If not it's likely too expensive and will need to adjust the price. Like buying a house or before accepting a job you need to do your OWN due diligence. Why cast doubt on the car? What does that achieve? How would you feel if it was your car for sale? Seems to be a lot of people bent out of shape about current classic Porsche pricing. Either put up and buy one or shut up and buy something else
No motive intended as far as i can see. The owner had resisted answering Bertys initial questions which casts doubts to a potential buyer which seems odd.Either answer all the questions on here that's asked or as you say 'shut up'.......simples
Alzen always built up cars , like the Roock 993 GT2 ....even his 997 RSR ...... was not , it was a cup car built to RSR ...... you see that a lot Cup upgraded to R spec ....... so yes chassis numbers are important if investing .... but if just driving it like it was made or racing not an issue ...
carreraboy said:
Which question would that be? So sorry no intention to avoid any flack bring IT ON Mustangs, the question I'm avoiding is..... ?
Ohhh a tad feisty, few beers maybe ? Let's start with this one-
I am confused now too. I thought you sold the car in 2014???
from PCGB
'SOLD'
This was a car starring any serious and I mean serious buyer in the face for the last couple of months, and bought by someone who actually understands the car and looks further than their nose and realises the massive potential and fabulous buy it is ...
Did you realise your mistake and buy it back in the meantime?
Edited by Mustangs on Friday 25th March 09:42
Feisty you not seen feisty from Carreraboy .....
You say (you are starting with this one so you have more questions) how did I purchase the car and how much, am I understanding your first question which you are starting with. Well do I have to explain myself to you, how does this effect the car for sale today nearly two years on from 2014.
I buy a lot of interesting Porsche, some I keep, some I track, some I put in storage and some with huge potential and some I sell eventually, unfortunately don't keep them all. When I sell the Cup Turbo built by Alzen, I will by some more, and then buy some more. Bought a lovely Boxster yesterday on impulse. I love Pirsche, have owned about 50 over the years. Consider myself a bit of an anorak on the 964 RS or Cup scene, have owned 7 now including two NGT and this very interesting M700 CUP. Needless to say as an enthusiast and being an expert buyer this opens many doors, with a lot of people contacting me for free advice and technical help, which I give free. I have helped many owners source their cars over the years and have sold a few. Ask ANYONE who has bought from me. Always honestly described.
Sometimes opportunities arise with a trader, I get a phone call, there and then buy it now money transferred no messing. We all love value, but more importantly something interesting. Research and tenacity are my middle names.
I like the chase. You get stone walled, both Porsche AG and mainly German Race Teams and Racers. But you plug away, knowing you are on the right track. I have done this with many cars. I even have the help of Juergen Barth on a current project, took nearly two years but we are there. You do know Juergen Barth? It takes time, but you plug away.
I have on several occasions asked you to go and inspect the car and look at the paperwork. The car is exactly what it is. Greig is being very very prudent, and likes any interested party to contact him for the stuff he leaves out of the ad.
The car stands on it own as exactly what it is. The cream on the cake confirmation it started the 1992 season, that bit is free! We also have the DEKRA report of the time. Read this in conjunction with the German log book, and all supporting extensive history and all this with the recent inspection report. People shooting from the hip really do need to check their opinions while damning someone's property.
Yes your last paragraph .... Seemed a little normal .... Had the few beers worn off ..... trying to insert a smiley!
So yes I have owned the car now twice technically, but always open to an interesting proposition. The car was originally on at £125k with Paul Mc, but he reduced it and I pounced and since have gilded the Lilly.
My mobile is 07768 814264 please call me if you want to talk about it please.
What chance of you becoming a buddie ... My profile is there with all contact details ... I am well known not hard to find.
So please fire away more questions ....
Please excuse the typos
You say (you are starting with this one so you have more questions) how did I purchase the car and how much, am I understanding your first question which you are starting with. Well do I have to explain myself to you, how does this effect the car for sale today nearly two years on from 2014.
I buy a lot of interesting Porsche, some I keep, some I track, some I put in storage and some with huge potential and some I sell eventually, unfortunately don't keep them all. When I sell the Cup Turbo built by Alzen, I will by some more, and then buy some more. Bought a lovely Boxster yesterday on impulse. I love Pirsche, have owned about 50 over the years. Consider myself a bit of an anorak on the 964 RS or Cup scene, have owned 7 now including two NGT and this very interesting M700 CUP. Needless to say as an enthusiast and being an expert buyer this opens many doors, with a lot of people contacting me for free advice and technical help, which I give free. I have helped many owners source their cars over the years and have sold a few. Ask ANYONE who has bought from me. Always honestly described.
Sometimes opportunities arise with a trader, I get a phone call, there and then buy it now money transferred no messing. We all love value, but more importantly something interesting. Research and tenacity are my middle names.
I like the chase. You get stone walled, both Porsche AG and mainly German Race Teams and Racers. But you plug away, knowing you are on the right track. I have done this with many cars. I even have the help of Juergen Barth on a current project, took nearly two years but we are there. You do know Juergen Barth? It takes time, but you plug away.
I have on several occasions asked you to go and inspect the car and look at the paperwork. The car is exactly what it is. Greig is being very very prudent, and likes any interested party to contact him for the stuff he leaves out of the ad.
The car stands on it own as exactly what it is. The cream on the cake confirmation it started the 1992 season, that bit is free! We also have the DEKRA report of the time. Read this in conjunction with the German log book, and all supporting extensive history and all this with the recent inspection report. People shooting from the hip really do need to check their opinions while damning someone's property.
Yes your last paragraph .... Seemed a little normal .... Had the few beers worn off ..... trying to insert a smiley!
So yes I have owned the car now twice technically, but always open to an interesting proposition. The car was originally on at £125k with Paul Mc, but he reduced it and I pounced and since have gilded the Lilly.
My mobile is 07768 814264 please call me if you want to talk about it please.
What chance of you becoming a buddie ... My profile is there with all contact details ... I am well known not hard to find.
So please fire away more questions ....
Please excuse the typos
Edited by carreraboy on Friday 25th March 21:05
Nice post Carreraboy and thanks for all the detail ( unlike Hunter66) it certainly adds to the appeal of the car for a prospective buyer. Good to clear up Bertys question too as it sat unanswered for a few days which can make people sceptical as I'm sure you can understand especially when a car like this takes some explaining.
Anyhow RPM are a good bunch as you know so good luck with the sale
Anyhow RPM are a good bunch as you know so good luck with the sale
It may be worth investigating a little more about the engine and who exactly designed and built it ?
Alzen's race engine partners were a different company (and have been for many years) and I would have thought any road cars created by Alzen would have the provenance of having engines built by the same people who created the successful race motors ? I know for a fact that Alzen's race engine builders had some comprehensive tuning packages based on the 3.3 965 motor or the 3.6 RS engine of the day so one wonders why this car did not sport one of these ?
carreraboy said:
This one is perfect and rebuilt by the race team choosing the easy reliable DP Motorsport turbo route. So 360BHP (under estimate) is always on tap without squeezing this out of a screaming normally aspirated unit with a short engine life. Not mentioning the phenomenal torque. .
DP were Alzen's bodywork partners, I never heard of them being involved in supplying Alzen with engine tuning ? Whilst DP do do engine rebuilds and mechanical stuff they were never known for engine tuning.Alzen's race engine partners were a different company (and have been for many years) and I would have thought any road cars created by Alzen would have the provenance of having engines built by the same people who created the successful race motors ? I know for a fact that Alzen's race engine builders had some comprehensive tuning packages based on the 3.3 965 motor or the 3.6 RS engine of the day so one wonders why this car did not sport one of these ?
carreraboy said:
Lovely car that and I bet quick ! Some these days only go for pure originality seemingly so a niche mkt for cars like that but Ruf conversion will have been done properly .
The Rufs at Geneva were Songer beaters !
I can totally assure you the Alzen is done properly by Alzen and with the German paperwork including full DEKRA report of the time ... Sure RUF do a very good job, from complete new builds to conversions and add on performance parts .... I would never knock another manufacturer they all give a different dimension to a great marque, but when looking at retro builds, homage, recreations, replica etc, there are excellent garages and some not so good which is another debate. At the end of the day depends how much money you want to spend. Not unusual now for cars costing £200k to build plus ....
[quote=h_]And I still want it!!
Very niche, but very cool, with great history, and less than the cost of a cup / N/GT or an RSR, but similar feel / performance.
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That looks great - doesn't actually look that expensive either taking into account what even a normal 964 costs nowadays
Very niche, but very cool, with great history, and less than the cost of a cup / N/GT or an RSR, but similar feel / performance.
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That looks great - doesn't actually look that expensive either taking into account what even a normal 964 costs nowadays
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