2018 Cayenne bets?......

[nigestar]

sajafzal said:

Hit submit too quick, since having the Turbo, everything seems to happen quickly !!

The new rear light cluster looks superb, especially at night, but there a three dots, indentations which look like they are there from manufacturing which will collect dirt that bug me, but thats probably the OCD in me.

Gear lever needs getting used to, if you come from a BMW probably easier,

Hectic buttons around gearshift are not for me, would much rather have previous, but maybe I will get used to it.

I like the button filled cabin of old, and I definitely preferred the look and especially the feel of the old buttons, the actual dash I much prefer the new one, much clearer, especially at night.

Saj

visited several OPCs this week. overall found myself trying to "like" the new model.

Hybrids are in UK and available now. A few Std and S petrols as well.
Hybrid man maths means justifying 85 to 95k - which seems OTT for a family + dog wagon

Hybrid gets clobbered £450 yearly for VED. so no longer an advantage there. Main benefit is if you do a short school run / train station run in traffic. it does 25miles on electric. so in theory your weekly use is without petrol. certainly it makes more sense than the S for me. But Im not sure it makes more sense than the base model (which is 70k with a nice spec) unless you need the extra performance. I don't see why anyone would order the S.


Main gripes on new model.

1. the no button piano black console around gear lever really bugs me. looks great new / cleaned. But already looks a bit messy on every demo car I saw.
i think I would be microfibre wiping it every 10 mins! I cant help but think it looks a bit peugeot/citreon. much prefer the optional carbon interior on the old with physical buttons.

2. Quite a bit of VW Grp hard plastic - rear of front seats. And not sure about the plastic rear bumper, looks a bit mass market/ cheap for an 70k to 95k car!
It should not need a sports design kit to look right! the cabin and std seats looks less plush than previous version but are comfy.

3. not sure about the lower / less SUV-like profile when you old and new them side by side.

Overall:
for an SUV the cabin is important. if the dash was like a new 991.2 I would be much happier. I think this blends analogue/ digital very well.
drive is more car and less SUV like. V impressive but again if you want SUV to be an SUV I'm not sure if this of value. Not sure much was wrong with the old one. overall if you just have one car then this probably works better as a 'drivers car'. if like me with kids, football boots, mud, dog etc i'm not sure it is necessary. I may just be too OCD.

main advantage of new model I suspect with the shutdown combined with "new" factor could be it works out well financially in Yr1.

perhaps i am just getting old but I find myself very tempted by an options loaded S Diesel 1 yr old for 55k-60k. fantastic engine carbon interior and still a great place to spend 3 hours driving somehwere.

[Cobnapint]

nigestar said:

visited several OPCs this week. overall found myself trying to "like" the new model.

Hybrids are in UK and available now. A few Std and S petrols as well.
Hybrid man maths means justifying 85 to 95k - which seems OTT for a family + dog wagon

Hybrid gets clobbered £450 yearly for VED. so no longer an advantage there. Main benefit is if you do a short school run / train station run in traffic. it does 25miles on electric. so in theory your weekly use is without petrol. certainly it makes more sense than the S for me. But Im not sure it makes more sense than the base model (which is 70k with a nice spec) unless you need the extra performance. I don't see why anyone would order the S.


Main gripes on new model.

1. the no button piano black console around gear lever really bugs me. looks great new / cleaned. But already looks a bit messy on every demo car I saw.
i think I would be microfibre wiping it every 10 mins! I cant help but think it looks a bit peugeot/citreon. much prefer the optional carbon interior on the old with physical buttons.

2. Quite a bit of VW Grp hard plastic - rear of front seats. And not sure about the plastic rear bumper, looks a bit mass market/ cheap for an 70k to 95k car!
It should not need a sports design kit to look right! the cabin and std seats looks less plush than previous version but are comfy.

3. not sure about the lower / less SUV-like profile when you old and new them side by side.

Overall:
for an SUV the cabin is important. if the dash was like a new 991.2 I would be much happier. I think this blends analogue/ digital very well.
drive is more car and less SUV like. V impressive but again if you want SUV to be an SUV I'm not sure if this of value. Not sure much was wrong with the old one. overall if you just have one car then this probably works better as a 'drivers car'. if like me with kids, football boots, mud, dog etc i'm not sure it is necessary. I may just be too OCD.

main advantage of new model I suspect with the shutdown combined with "new" factor could be it works out well financially in Yr1.

perhaps i am just getting old but I find myself very tempted by an options loaded S Diesel 1 yr old for 55k-60k. fantastic engine carbon interior and still a great place to spend 3 hours driving somehwere.

Tend to agree.

I've never understood why the claim that an SUV's drive is very 'car-like' is supposed to be considered a good thing. I want my SUV to drive like an SUV - not a car, otherwise I'd have bought a car. Perhaps that's why I didn't think much to the Macan when I took one out a couple of years ago.

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Cobnapint said:

Tend to agree.

I've never understood why the claim that an SUV's drive is very 'car-like' is supposed to be considered a good thing. I want my SUV to drive like an SUV - not a car, otherwise I'd have bought a car. Perhaps that's why I didn't think much to the Macan when I took one out a couple of years ago.

Considering most of them never leave the road, I doubt one that is truly focussed on being an SUV would do too well :/ Clearly most are purchased for the practicality, leaving two very non SUV like approaches to the driving dynamics:

- For those preferring the wafting along but pretty much un-engaging driving dynamics there's the RR route.

- For those preferring an engaging drive but a less refined ride there's the Porsche Cayenne route.

Given the brand positioning you can see why each has gone their particular route. But in both cases it is very, very un-SUV like.

Going back to your original question, a drive that is very car-like is good for people like me that want the practicality without feeling like we're driving a truck It means my kids heads get banged into the roof line less often and my back complains less when loading/unloading, but once everyones been dropped off I can throw it into a corner and still have some fun

[sajafzal]

visited several OPCs this week. overall found myself trying to "like" the new model.

Hybrids are in UK and available now. A few Std and S petrols as well.
Hybrid man maths means justifying 85 to 95k - which seems OTT for a family + dog wagon

Hybrid gets clobbered £450 yearly for VED. so no longer an advantage there. Main benefit is if you do a short school run / train station run in traffic. it does 25miles on electric. so in theory your weekly use is without petrol. certainly it makes more sense than the S for me. But Im not sure it makes more sense than the base model (which is 70k with a nice spec) unless you need the extra performance. I don't see why anyone would order the S.


Main gripes on new model.

1. the no button piano black console around gear lever really bugs me. looks great new / cleaned. But already looks a bit messy on every demo car I saw.
i think I would be microfibre wiping it every 10 mins! I cant help but think it looks a bit peugeot/citreon. much prefer the optional carbon interior on the old with physical buttons.

Absolutely agree, although so far I have kept it quite clean, by not using most the buttons!

2. Quite a bit of VW Grp hard plastic - rear of front seats. And not sure about the plastic rear bumper, looks a bit mass market/ cheap for an 70k to 95k car!
It should not need a sports design kit to look right! the cabin and std seats looks less plush than previous version but are comfy.

Once again have to agree, although on the back of Turbo seats its a softer rubber like material, no where near as nice as my previous Cayenne 3.0D.

3. not sure about the lower / less SUV-like profile when you old and new them side by side.

I think this has been done very cleverly, its looks sportier compared to previous version

Overall:
for an SUV the cabin is important. if the dash was like a new 991.2 I would be much happier. I think this blends analogue/ digital very well.
drive is more car and less SUV like. V impressive but again if you want SUV to be an SUV I'm not sure if this of value. Not sure much was wrong with the old one. overall if you just have one car then this probably works better as a 'drivers car'. if like me with kids, football boots, mud, dog etc i'm not sure it is necessary. I may just be too OCD.

Me to cabin of high importance, and I think lots of cost cutting has been going on at Porsche, or maybe when the extra options become available after September they expect you to buy more options

main advantage of new model I suspect with the shutdown combined with "new" factor could be it works out well financially in Yr1.

For me it the refinement, and body control of new car its amazing

perhaps i am just getting old but I find myself very tempted by an options loaded S Diesel 1 yr old for 55k-60k. fantastic engine carbon interior and still a great place to spend 3 hours driving somehwere.

I would suggest if you can take both out back to back

Saj











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[Cheib]

Cobnapint said:

Tend to agree.

I've never understood why the claim that an SUV's drive is very 'car-like' is supposed to be considered a good thing. I want my SUV to drive like an SUV - not a car, otherwise I'd have bought a car. Perhaps that's why I didn't think much to the Macan when I took one out a couple of years ago.

The Cayenne does drive like an SUV....it's just that it's the best handling of the lot and most "car like". We've got a Macan and a Cayenne.....the Macan is "car like" but the Cayenne isn't in comparison.

nigestar said:

visited several OPCs this week. overall found myself trying to "like" the new model.

Hybrids are in UK and available now. A few Std and S petrols as well.
Hybrid man maths means justifying 85 to 95k - which seems OTT for a family + dog wagon

Hybrid gets clobbered £450 yearly for VED. so no longer an advantage there. Main benefit is if you do a short school run / train station run in traffic. it does 25miles on electric. so in theory your weekly use is without petrol. certainly it makes more sense than the S for me. But Im not sure it makes more sense than the base model (which is 70k with a nice spec) unless you need the extra performance. I don't see why anyone would order the S.


Main gripes on new model.

2. Quite a bit of VW Grp hard plastic - rear of front seats. And not sure about the plastic rear bumper, looks a bit mass market/ cheap for an 70k to 95k car!
It should not need a sports design kit to look right! the cabin and std seats looks less plush than previous version but are comfy.

I looked very closely at the Hybrid and actually put a depsoit down on a loaded ex-demo but changed our minds and bought a new S Diesel instead.

Hybrid's if you fall into one of the following categories IMHO

- If you can run/purchase a Hybrid through a company and get the beneficial tax treatment
- If the Hybrid is exempt form Congestion Charge and it saves you paying it every day
- If you can run it on the battery only i.e. Your commute is 20 miles and you charge it at home and work

Otherwise I just don't see how they add up as an ownership proposition.

The Cayenne like every Porsche needs full leather....makes a massive difference to the interior of the car and like the old car it looks much, much better with the Sport Design Kit and whilst it's a very expensive box to tick it's worth it. Reality is with most Porche's that you find that £10k of box ticking beings the car to the level you'd want/it probably should be at. So the base price it really £10k more than you think. Thing is I think at that "new base price" of £65k for the entry level model that's the same price as the base Range Rover Sport.

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Cheib said:

- If you can run it on the battery only i.e. Your commute is 20 miles and you charge it at home and work

If you have a 40 mile round trip commute 5 days a week, that's around 10k/year. Say you get 20mpg on the standard car at £1/L thats about £2200. So about 4 years to recover the differential.

I suspect to make sense purely on financial terms, petrol prices need to go up or hybrids need to come down in price. But on a premium SUV depreciation is probably the most painful cost so you may as well get what you like

[Cobnapint]

Cheib said:

Cobnapint said:

Tend to agree.

I've never understood why the claim that an SUV's drive is very 'car-like' is supposed to be considered a good thing. I want my SUV to drive like an SUV - not a car, otherwise I'd have bought a car. Perhaps that's why I didn't think much to the Macan when I took one out a couple of years ago.

The Cayenne does drive like an SUV....it's just that it's the best handling of the lot and most "car like". We've got a Macan and a Cayenne.....the Macan is "car like" but the Cayenne isn't in comparison.

Absolutely. The Cayenne strikes the perfect balance between waft and handling without making it feel like a car. The Macan handles well, is referred to as an SUV, but feels like a car.

[Cheib]

5to1 said:

Cheib said:

- If you can run it on the battery only i.e. Your commute is 20 miles and you charge it at home and work

If you have a 40 mile round trip commute 5 days a week, that's around 10k/year. Say you get 20mpg on the standard car at £1/L thats about £2200. So about 4 years to recover the differential.

I suspect to make sense purely on financial terms, petrol prices need to go up or hybrids need to come down in price. But on a premium SUV depreciation is probably the most painful cost so you may as well get what you like

Not sure what the Hybrid's fuel consumption is like compared to the petrol models but the other issue for me was that when it's not running on just the battery it was significantly worse on fuel consumption that than the diesel. So whilst you save money running on batteries you lost money on fuel costs. With petrol engine cars maybe not the same issue.

I also suspect Hybrid's are a stop gap in terms of tech and we'll see the "Mission E" tech in regular Porsche models...my guess us when the Cayenne has it's mid-cycle refresh there will be an Electric one.

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Cheib said:

5to1 said:

Cheib said:

- If you can run it on the battery only i.e. Your commute is 20 miles and you charge it at home and work

If you have a 40 mile round trip commute 5 days a week, that's around 10k/year. Say you get 20mpg on the standard car at £1/L thats about £2200. So about 4 years to recover the differential.

I suspect to make sense purely on financial terms, petrol prices need to go up or hybrids need to come down in price. But on a premium SUV depreciation is probably the most painful cost so you may as well get what you like

Not sure what the Hybrid's fuel consumption is like compared to the petrol models but the other issue for me was that when it's not running on just the battery it was significantly worse on fuel consumption that than the diesel. So whilst you save money running on batteries you lost money on fuel costs. With petrol engine cars maybe not the same issue.

I also suspect Hybrid's are a stop gap in terms of tech and we'll see the "Mission E" tech in regular Porsche models...my guess us when the Cayenne has it's mid-cycle refresh there will be an Electric one.

If they can figure out how to get more of the wasted power back into the batteries through regeneration on the move, mild hybrids could be very very good.

Petrol engines can be extremely efficient, the issue is this occurs in a narrow band. A hybrid system that can significantly widen that max efficiency band would probably trump pure electric in many applications for some time to come. I think the main stumbling block is the batteries, they require a high potential difference to quickly store large amounts of power. At 48v I imagine a lot of energy that could be captured is still lost :/

Ultimately at the Cayenne end of the market it's a moot point. The difference in fuel cost is negligible in the grand scheme of things. Using my previous example (based on local prices and roughly what I'd get from each on my cycle):

10k miles @ 20 MPG @ £1.23/l = £2795 (Petrol)

10k miles @ 30 MPG @ £1.27/l = £1924 (Diesel)

An £800 difference for every 10k miles you cover is pretty much insignificant compared to depreciation, consumables, servicing, RFL, etc. If all else is equal, when you're already losing money hand over fist, you may as well get what you like

[sajafzal]

Ultimately at the Cayenne end of the market it's a moot point. The difference in fuel cost is negligible in the grand scheme of things. Using my previous example (based on local prices and roughly what I'd get from each on my cycle):

10k miles @ 20 MPG @ £1.23/l = £2795 (Petrol)

10k miles @ 30 MPG @ £1.27/l = £1924 (Diesel)

An £800 difference for every 10k miles you cover is pretty much insignificant compared to depreciation, consumables, servicing, RFL, etc. If all else is equal, when you're already losing money hand over fist, you may as well get what you like
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Thanks for that makes me feel a bit better, but the smile every time I hit the loud pedal is worth the the extra, but at mo, I am struggling to get 20MPG !!, but the acceleration is unreal, so no regrets so far

[HMUZ]

How are the lucky few who got a new Cayenne before the factory shut down getting on now you have bedded it in?

Any further tips as to what to spec and what not to spec?

[Cheib]

HMUZ said:

How are the lucky few who got a new Cayenne before the factory shut down getting on now you have bedded it in?

Any further tips as to what to spec and what not to spec?

Not sure you have to be that lucky....there are about 30 new Cayenne's on the AUC site!

[Cobnapint]

[quote=HMUZ]How are the lucky few who got a new Cayenne before the factory shut down getting on now you have bedded it in?

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I was wondering the same. It's gone a bit quiet on here......

[pete]

I’m enjoying our new Cayenne S a lot :-)

So far the only niggles are an ongoing saga with the embedded SIM and WiFi hotspot, which are inconvenient but doesn’t stop any of the important functions from working.

Fuel economy is averaging 26mpg, that’s for mostly short trips around town with the occasional long motorway trip averaging 30mpg. Not bad for 440bhp and 2 tonnes of car that is barely run in. It’s certainly quick enough when you rouse it out of 8th gear at 25mph, and it sounds lovely from inside at least. Outside I think the standard exhaust is very quiet, probably ideal for a family SUV, but not if you’re expecting lots of modern hot hatch style fireworks.

It’s hard to say what my favourite options are. The air suspension might be one of them, much improved over the 958 gen 1 at least. Rear wheel steering is harder to call, as I’ve never driven a new Cayenne without it. It’s certainly very nimble on a bendy road. Sport Chrono is useful for the mode switch on the steering wheel, else the driving modes are well hidden in the new PCM, and you need sport mode to make the most of the engine rev range. Otherwise the only driving aid I’ve spec’d is active cruise, which works well, but I’m still nervous about how late it brakes to a stop in traffic. I normally just override it at that point; I’m not cut out for autonomous driving, obviously! One minor annoyance if you’re spec’ing a car: the right hand dash screen is endlessly useful for nav and info displays, but the left hand screen is basically fixed on analogue speed and temperature unless you’ve equipped things like night vision or more active driving assistance.

Speaking of the new PCM, it’s functionally superb, but hard to get used to some of the features being buried in touchscreen menus. I’ve started using voice control a lot as it’s quicker and easier once you memorise the commands.

The full leather interior is well worth the money, and the 14 way seats are the comfiest I’ve had in any car, but ambient lighting is yet to impress me. I’ve also barely driven the car in the dark due to the light nights, so can’t comment on the matrix LED headlights yet. Bose stereo is much better than standard in my old car, unlike the 958 gen 1 Bose which didn’t sound that different to standard. In hindsight I’d have added rear climate control for the extra air outlets, but no other regrets.

So far it’s a nice balance of luxury and sporty enough for family bus duties. I’m taking it on a 1500 mile camping trip around France next month, so that will be the ultimate test.

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Cheib said:

Not sure you have to be that lucky....there are about 30 new Cayenne's on the AUC site!

Really? When I select Cayenne 9YA on PAUC I see 5 (3 Turbos and 2 Cayenne S). Are the others listed under the wrong model?

I have another order in, but will only follow through if residuals prove to be very strong.

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 18th July 12:37

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Cobnapint]MUZ said:

How are the lucky few who got a new Cayenne before the factory shut down getting on now you have bedded it in?

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I was wondering the same. It's gone a bit quiet on here......

Having been very apprehensive about our first foray into SUV land I have to admit I'm quite enjoying driving the Cayenne. It really is a lot of fun to drive and you can quite easily forget you're in a big heavy SUV. The Mrs is really enjoying it as well, the better visibility and higher seating position seems to have given her more confidence. So much so, she's developed quite a heavy right foot

There have been a few minor niggles with the electronics. The mirror doesn't consistently flip for parking (you have to press 'L' -> 'R' -> 'L' to force it) and it lost my profile settings once. Also a few missed opportunities, the left binnacle is useless given what info you can put there, especially annoying as I constantly have google maps running in the right binnacle (useful with RTTI). But given it's a complete overhaul of the telematics/informatics and still in early gen 1, its been remarkably reliable. And it's really really snappy, even with google maps constantly running. Something you quickly pick up on when you get in another car.

Aesthetically it still looks good to my eye. Having encountered the previous model a few times, side by side, it looks lower/wider quite a bit more aggressive and sporty. IMO it needs 21's. The slightly higher side walls (presume to accommodate 22's while keeping same circumference) give a surprisingly compliant ride, but I still prefer elastic band look aesthetically . Still not sure about the black plastic bits, but as I may chop it in I havent looked into getting them painted/wrapped. Overall it puts a smile on my face when I see it, which is important to me.

With the high res screen and high res cameras, surround view is a step up on past implementations. I would definitely tick that box again, especially given the alloys are diamond cut. Also I like the fact it pings on automatically when it detects something "too" close.

The cabin is a nice place to be. Hits the right buttons aesthetically for me, cleaner lines, less buttons, bigger screen, centre vents better integrated, etc. But coming from a 6GC it isn't as plush. I'm contemplating ticking two tone (white/black) next time around. Also still miss HUD so will tick that box. Other then that IMO nothing else is a must have.

In terms of economy (i've still only done 450 miles) I can achieve ~20mpg around town and ~30mpg on a run. If you can keep the revs ~2k on take off economy is much better. But you'll recall I said I'm still really enjoying it, so am managing a lot less on many occasions. Looking at the App, my last journey of 7miles @ 20mph returned 19.8 mpg. That same journey i've managed to get to 22mpg with lighter take offs. But putting my foot down I've got it down to 16mpg. Given the mileage I do and the cost of the car its not a deal breaker for me.

TLDR: I really like it

[jamesiem]

I’ve had mine two weeks now and it’s a base model with not too many upgrades.

I’ve got the same problem with the dipping mirrors not working which is really annoying. I’ll try using the L/R/L buttons but going to take it back to have looked at. Only once has it activated on its own and I used to use them all the time parking so it’s frustrating.

I’ve got the RS spider wheels and PASM makes a difference.

I also paid for the porsche tracker to be activated which took about a week to go live. The frustrating thing is the porsche ‘card’ is really another key size fob that you have to carry separate from the key which is frustrating. I thought it would be a credit card size and could be hiding in my wallet but it’s a little too bulky.

Engine is great with the caveat that this is my first porsche so I’m easily pleased. Just driven 250miles to Sherwood Forrest with kids and roof box and averaged 25.6mpg on the trip and had cruise on at 76 on motorway and lots of overtaking on the A66 changing from single track to dual carriageway.

The panoramic roof is very nice and brightens up the cabin but the sunroof is noisy over 25mph and ends up closed to reduce the wind noise.

I didn’t spec the upgraded leather as I have two young kids and they’ve already smeared crisps and chocolate on the seats in the back. I was terrified they’d tear or mark the leather climbing in and out if it was softer than the standard.

I’m really happy with the car, it’s smooth and refined with enough kick for me. It’s looks are improved over the previous model especially the rear (with the red light bar running across at night looks cool) and the technology inside is great (and mostly included, I was expecting to have to pay for the screen!).

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jamesiem said:

I’ve got the same problem with the dipping mirrors not working which is really annoying. I’ll try using the L/R/L buttons but going to take it back to have looked at. Only once has it activated on its own and I used to use them all the time parking so it’s frustrating.

Let us know if they find a fix, I mentioned it to the masterclass tech, but havent heard anything back.

As I have surround view I just do without the dipped mirror, unless I'm trying to park very tight to the kerb.

[Cheib]

jamesiem said:

I also paid for the porsche tracker to be activated which took about a week to go live. The frustrating thing is the porsche ‘card’ is really another key size fob that you have to carry separate from the key which is frustrating. I thought it would be a credit card size and could be hiding in my wallet but it’s a little too bulky.

Get yourself one of these.



You can put the fob in the pocket on the side.

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Cheib said:

Get yourself one of these.



You can put the fob in the pocket on the side.

Arent you supposed to carry the fob separate from the keys? Otherwise its just duplicating what the key does anyway.