991 GT3 now or later
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I am hoping for a new GT3 but am resigned to the fact that its a very slim chance I will get one. One thing for sure though, if I am "chosen" then I will put at least 12K miles on it in the first 12 months, only thing that would stop that is the even slimmer chance of a trade up to an RS. My GTS is 12 months old this week and has covered 10K miles, GT3 is bound to be even more of a hoot so would tempt me out of the office more often. I envisage regular 4am alarm calls in the Summer just to go for a blast.
Wilmslowboy said:
Ok this thread has spurred me on 
Trying to do deal on an early GT3 (late 2013), CS, great spec- low miles which listed at £120k
Giving overs (not a huge amount) for a 3 year old car
stop me if you think i'm mad
Try to get one with the E series engine but in warranty then track the heck out of it to break it asap and get the latest G series engine as a replacement.....Trying to do deal on an early GT3 (late 2013), CS, great spec- low miles which listed at £120k
Giving overs (not a huge amount) for a 3 year old car
stop me if you think i'm mad
If I really wanted a 991GT3, which I know is a phenomenal car, then my first thoughts would be split between Gen 1 and Gen 2.
Gen 2 is likely to be very difficult. If it's announced at Geneva (Mar '17) then UK cars might start latter part of '17, but most won't be until'18>. And, anyway, there's no guarantee of getting an allocation, and even if I did, then probably near the back of the queue.
So, what about a Gen 1? Tempting, great car, will be 95% of Gen 2 I'm sure, could have one tomorrow and lots of fun before I could ever expect a Gen 2. But I wouldn't want to overpay. Prices could drop with the Gen 2 arrival, but Gen 2s are likely to trade at a premium, so Gen 1s may not fare too badly.
And, late Nov/Dec is a known 'flat spot' for car sales, so now may be the time to negotiate hard for a relative bargain?
Gen 2 is likely to be very difficult. If it's announced at Geneva (Mar '17) then UK cars might start latter part of '17, but most won't be until'18>. And, anyway, there's no guarantee of getting an allocation, and even if I did, then probably near the back of the queue.
So, what about a Gen 1? Tempting, great car, will be 95% of Gen 2 I'm sure, could have one tomorrow and lots of fun before I could ever expect a Gen 2. But I wouldn't want to overpay. Prices could drop with the Gen 2 arrival, but Gen 2s are likely to trade at a premium, so Gen 1s may not fare too badly.
And, late Nov/Dec is a known 'flat spot' for car sales, so now may be the time to negotiate hard for a relative bargain?
Gen 1 versus Gen 2 is a bit of a redundant conversation
Unless you are one the selected very few you are unlikely to be able to get a Gen 2 (at list new)
so....
Gen 1 at give or take list (inc options) (c£130k)
or Gen 2 - next year at circa £50K++ overs (£160k+++)...who knows perhaps even north of £200k ???
Unless you are one the selected very few you are unlikely to be able to get a Gen 2 (at list new)
so....
Gen 1 at give or take list (inc options) (c£130k)
or Gen 2 - next year at circa £50K++ overs (£160k+++)...who knows perhaps even north of £200k ???
Wilmslowboy said:
Gen 1 versus Gen 2 is a bit of a redundant conversation
Unless you are one the selected very few you are unlikely to be able to get a Gen 2 (at list new)
so....
Gen 1 at give or take list (inc options) (c£130k)
or Gen 2 - next year at circa £50K++ overs (£160k+++)...who knows perhaps even north of £200k ???
Agreed - I have just bought a Gen 1 a couple of weeks ago and my man logic was along these lines:Unless you are one the selected very few you are unlikely to be able to get a Gen 2 (at list new)
so....
Gen 1 at give or take list (inc options) (c£130k)
or Gen 2 - next year at circa £50K++ overs (£160k+++)...who knows perhaps even north of £200k ???
1. Even if you could get a Gen 2 - they are least a year + away for the first cars so you have a long wait
2. Assuming a limited supply again which is what the OPCs are saying and has always been the case for GT cars, then there will be a lot of disappointed people with deposits down not able to get a car
3. This puts premiums on the Gen 2 cars and also likely to increase interest on the 'cheaper' Gen 1 cars
4. Now (autumn / winter) is the time to buy a GT3 before prices rise again in the spring
5. Cars don't seem to be hanging around in stock for that long and there aren't that many with decent specs, mileage etc so if you see one thats right for you I would grab it
GT4RS said:
Name down means nothing, buying history and a good relationship with your opc will be key, I would imagine they will now be very wary of the speculators who have already fed them a pack of lies on the last 3 GT ranges!
Apparently 2 of the 4 911 R's that OPC Reading allcoated to such clients have been flipped....not done a very good job if that's true!Cheib said:
Apparently 2 of the 4 911 R's that OPC Reading allcoated to such clients have been flipped....not done a very good job if that's true!
if you're ever going to cash out on Porsche and lose the possibility of future allocations then the 'R' is the best chance, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.Completely agree. A profit in hand is better than a (potential) smaller profit in a years time when novelty value has worn out, the market has dipped and the next GT3 with a manual stick has been confirmed. Now is the time to get out of that overinflated hype that the R is. Ondoubtedly a great car but there are 991 of them and Porsche have been proven that a manual specced down car sells so being commercial after all there will be more iterations to come.
Porsche911R said:
where has it ?
A manual gt3 makes no sense to me. It is all about performance and a manual is slower, so why go that way? Will Porsche struggle to sell every last gt3 they make if they have pdk? No. Will putting a manual in a gt3 undermine the potential for future highly profitable iterations of the 911R? Yes. So why do it? Non sensical.subirg said:
Porsche911R said:
where has it ?
A manual gt3 makes no sense to me. It is all about performance and a manual is slower, so why go that way? Will Porsche struggle to sell every last gt3 they make if they have pdk? No. Will putting a manual in a gt3 undermine the potential for future highly profitable iterations of the 911R? Yes. So why do it? Non sensical.subirg said:
A manual gt3 makes no sense to me. It is all about performance and a manual is slower, so why go that way? Will Porsche struggle to sell every last gt3 they make if they have pdk? No. Will putting a manual in a gt3 undermine the potential for future highly profitable iterations of the 911R? Yes. So why do it? Non sensical.
The GT cars are 'enthusiasts' cars- for road and track use. PDK may be faster, but you'd only notice that on track. However, many drivers do not find PDK entirely rewarding, and dearly want the tactile engagement that you can still only get with a really good 'manual' gearbox. As proven by the wonderful 911R.
If I was buying a GT car now, I'd want a 997 GT3 or a GT4 - I wouldn't buy a 991.1 GT3 with PDK.
The 991.2 GT3 with 'manual' will have huge appeal, and is the car a lot of people are waiting for. The 911R just whet the appetite.
Yes and hopefully they will not be number restricted as in the days of 996 and 997 when you waited read the the reviews on the car and bought one if you wanted to ........ sure I lost money on them but that is not the reason for car ownership ...
If not then I guess the enthusiasts will leave the marque and the cars will always be "only 500 " miles in 2 years and "no Track days " to keep the value up ............. which will be a sad day for Porsche ......
If not then I guess the enthusiasts will leave the marque and the cars will always be "only 500 " miles in 2 years and "no Track days " to keep the value up ............. which will be a sad day for Porsche ......
hunter 66 said:
Yes and hopefully they will not be number restricted as in the days of 996 and 997 when you waited read the the reviews on the car and bought one if you wanted to ........ sure I lost money on them but that is not the reason for car ownership ...
If not then I guess the enthusiasts will leave the marque and the cars will always be "only 500 " miles in 2 years and "no Track days " to keep the value up ............. which will be a sad day for Porsche ......
the situation is only getting worse. the 991 GT3 was readily available to order in Germany and they were trading below list I think. The first car where it was not as easy was the 991 RS (but even that eventually became available in larger numbers, you just had to make a few more calls and accept a later build slot to get one). If not then I guess the enthusiasts will leave the marque and the cars will always be "only 500 " miles in 2 years and "no Track days " to keep the value up ............. which will be a sad day for Porsche ......
Recently asked a dealer about the new GT3 and he said he already had a very long list and he was not sure if he could get me one .... ah well
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