I doubt i will ever own a new GT car

I doubt i will ever own a new GT car

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Jumpingjackflash

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589 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Good Morning,

Are Porsche actively doing enough or anything to make sure their GT cars end up with the deserving owners and not the speculators?

Surely Porsche can tell if previous owners still own their cars and get them serviced at Porsche?

I own a few cars and I am in the situation now I can afford a GT car but told no more deposits are being taken. Fair enough I have only bought one Porsche so far from an Official dealer and may need to wait 2-3 years for a car but at this rate I doubt it.

P.s Same with Rolex!



RDMcG

19,096 posts

206 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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I follow a simple strategy. Order very early. Sometimes years in advance and put a modest deposit down. Always service at the dealer who sold me the car. Have a good relationship there. Always use same sales person. Do not flip car. It is just not worth it to me to pay a massive premium for a new car and if that were my only option I would not do it.

What does not work is pressure or waving a chequebook. I do not buy that many cars but already have my name down for a 992 RS . Will be a few years



Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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RDMcG said:
I follow a simple strategy. Order very early. Sometimes years in advance and put a modest deposit down. Always service at the dealer who sold me the car. Have a good relationship there. Always use same sales person. Do not flip car. It is just not worth it to me to pay a massive premium for a new car and if that were my only option I would not do it.

What does not work is pressure or waving a chequebook. I do not buy that many cars but already have my name down for a 992 RS . Will be a few years
This is not correct advice these days as most OPC will not take a deposit (or should not on bogus cars), other wise you would have deposits for a GT3 10 years down the line !
most work on invite only, so having your name down on a 992 RS is pointless in the UK.

I have never paid a deposit until I have ordered a car. In the past early orders were key, in todays world it's invite only.



Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 28th March 09:49

red997

1,304 posts

208 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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OK, I'll bite..
what do you need to do to be 'invited' to purchase one of their cars ?

Andrew911

850 posts

108 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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red997 said:
OK, I'll bite..
what do you need to do to be 'invited' to purchase one of their cars ?
This is an educated guess as I have not been in the market for a new GT car (yet). The OPC I use said a chap came in waving his cheque book & said "I want a new 991 GT3". Dismayed that the sales guy didn't oblige. The sales chap said to him "maybe start with buying a 991 turbo first" Basically you will need to demonstrate a a history of buying new high end 911s, GT4's etc etc. Not quite in the same league I have a LOI in for the next GT4 (if Porsche decide to build one). The LOI wanted to know my Porsche ownership history, whether I have had any interesting road trips etc. They 'ideally' want their GT cars to go to enthusiasts. As said not quite as rare or in the same league as a new GT3 I do hope to be in a good position with the next GT4 - I bought a new 981 Spyder from my OPC & have developed a really good relationship with them. Getting in early will help but it is at the total discretion of the OPC who gets an allocation.

Cheib

23,114 posts

174 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Jumpingjackflash said:
Good Morning,

Are Porsche actively doing enough or anything to make sure their GT cars end up with the deserving owners and not the speculators?

Surely Porsche can tell if previous owners still own their cars and get them serviced at Porsche?

I own a few cars and I am in the situation now I can afford a GT car but told no more deposits are being taken. Fair enough I have only bought one Porsche so far from an Official dealer and may need to wait 2-3 years for a car but at this rate I doubt it.

P.s Same with Rolex!
I think you have to play the long game. Which means a) Being a customer of the sales dept (preferably new cars) b) Having your car serviced/MOT'd c) If you sell your cars give them a crack at the business.

Playing devils advocate think about it from the OPC's perspective. As far as the sale of an individual GT3 is concerned it's probably no more profitable than selling a 911 GTS as a car...and probably less profitable than selling a Panamera or 911 Turbo S. What it is though is a massive lever to reward customer loyalty. If you're them you want to use the allocation of the GT3 to maximise revenue for your dealership as much as possible.

If I was you I'd go into your local OPC, chat to one of the sales people and preferably the Head of Sales. Ask them what there criteria is and what you need to do to be in with a shot at a future car. If you don't get the right vibe find another localish OPC that you do get the right vibe from. It's obviously about how you deal with them too....people that are constantly badgering for discounts etc aren't probably going to be front of the queue either.

If you don't have a "need" to own another car in the Porsche range its a bit of a problem.

At my OPC the criteria are pretty simple...you need to have bought 2 or 3 cars, you need to be local to them and they want them to go to people that use them. At least that is what they told me! I had the conversation with the Head of Sales after I'd bought my second car from them.

Also agree on deposits...OPC's shouldn't be taking deposits before a car is announced as far as I know. Not sure it means much and I don't think putting your name down for a car not due for several years will do anything much.


lemmingjames

7,435 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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RDMcG said:
I follow a simple strategy. Order very early. Sometimes years in advance and put a modest deposit down. Always service at the dealer who sold me the car. Have a good relationship there. Always use same sales person. Do not flip car. It is just not worth it to me to pay a massive premium for a new car and if that were my only option I would not do it.

What does not work is pressure or waving a chequebook. I do not buy that many cars but already have my name down for a 992 RS . Will be a few years
Trouble is, how do you maintain being an enthusiast without flipping cars and maintaining a relationship with an opc?

ie ive had my gt3 for 6/7 years now yet when i enquired about the GT4 originally, Hatfield 'lost' my LOI originally so had to reapply and got put down in 11th position or something.

yet theres a guy on here who changes his cars every reg change it seems so is he not a flipper yet by 'definition' hes not an enthusiast/keeper but clearly has a healthy relationship with the OPC

hornbaek

3,670 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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As with all business deals where you get ahead of the crowd it is about relationship building. I fundamentally disagree putting down deposits on cars that have not yet been announced - that just looks like desperation. I think we will soon enough revert to more normal times where manufacturers start valuing your custom and start offering a real service other than being the custodians of rare artefacts which allows them to be arrogant.

RDMcG

19,096 posts

206 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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lemmingjames said:
Trouble is, how do you maintain being an enthusiast without flipping cars and maintaining a relationship with an opc?

ie ive had my gt3 for 6/7 years now yet when i enquired about the GT4 originally, Hatfield 'lost' my LOI originally so had to reapply and got put down in 11th position or something.

yet theres a guy on here who changes his cars every reg change it seems so is he not a flipper yet by 'definition' hes not an enthusiast/keeper but clearly has a healthy relationship with the OPC
I keep most of my cars for longer periods. My Cayenne and 7.1 RS are both 2008. I kept my 2010 7.2 RS for four years. My 2016 RS is also a long term keeper so next car will be incremental. I only use one dealer and always service there. I do think a long term relationship does help enormously.

Discombobulate

4,794 posts

185 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Andrew911 said:
This is an educated guess as I have not been in the market for a new GT car (yet). The OPC I use said a chap came in waving his cheque book & said "I want a new 991 GT3". Dismayed that the sales guy didn't oblige. The sales chap said to him "maybe start with buying a 991 turbo first" Basically you will need to demonstrate a a history of buying new high end 911s, GT4's etc etc. Not quite in the same league I have a LOI in for the next GT4 (if Porsche decide to build one). The LOI wanted to know my Porsche ownership history, whether I have had any interesting road trips etc. They 'ideally' want their GT cars to go to enthusiasts. As said not quite as rare or in the same league as a new GT3 I do hope to be in a good position with the next GT4 - I bought a new 981 Spyder from my OPC & have developed a really good relationship with them. Getting in early will help but it is at the total discretion of the OPC who gets an allocation.
New high end 911s? Much cheaper to pay a one off premium and get one when you want it.

hunter 66

3,890 posts

219 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Only bought 1 new GT3 from my OPC ( 7 years ownership ) ....... other RS models bought used when not popular. Only drove GT and Rs models for 20 years .....but no Macans etc so not a good OPC profile . But have spent a small fortune at Porsche AG motorsport and am a fan of the Brand .
If I get one cool if not there are other brands for road use although will continue racing Porsche GT cars ..

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Discombobulate said:
New high end 911s? Much cheaper to pay a one off premium and get one when you want it.
Quite. Pay an OPC an extra £40k for cars you dont want over a couple of years or simply pay a flipper an extra £20k for the car you actually want. No brainer.

Unless you really want a 991 Turbo, for example, buying one involves a huge waste of money. Save the money and use it to pay a flipper.

Andrew911

850 posts

108 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Discombobulate said:
New high end 911s? Much cheaper to pay a one off premium and get one when you want it.
True laugh

Jumpingjackflash

Original Poster:

589 posts

178 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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I feel my point is being missed slightly.

If a customer has bought a few Porsche's from the dealer and they get a GT car then I totally understand. My point is customers who have GT cars and "flip" them and continue to get more.

If Mr Smith got a GT car and sold it privately then Porsche should not give him another.

If Mr Smith trades his GT car for a new GT car or even a new Cayenne at an Official Porsche Dealer then he can still get another GT car in the future.

with V5's and service records I don't think it is hard to remedy and that it why I think Porsche are not interested. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few back handers going on.

If I bought a GT car but sold it then I know I have had my chance and wouldn't get another. That is the way it should be.

Chris Harris sold his GT3 4.0 for a Ferrari and couldn't get a 911R. I like Chris harris a lot but that is they way it should be. If Chris kept his GT3 4.0 or traded it for the 911R then I couldn't argue with that.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Discombobulate said:
Andrew911 said:
This is an educated guess as I have not been in the market for a new GT car (yet). The OPC I use said a chap came in waving his cheque book & said "I want a new 991 GT3". Dismayed that the sales guy didn't oblige. The sales chap said to him "maybe start with buying a 991 turbo first" Basically you will need to demonstrate a a history of buying new high end 911s, GT4's etc etc. Not quite in the same league I have a LOI in for the next GT4 (if Porsche decide to build one). The LOI wanted to know my Porsche ownership history, whether I have had any interesting road trips etc. They 'ideally' want their GT cars to go to enthusiasts. As said not quite as rare or in the same league as a new GT3 I do hope to be in a good position with the next GT4 - I bought a new 981 Spyder from my OPC & have developed a really good relationship with them. Getting in early will help but it is at the total discretion of the OPC who gets an allocation.
New high end 911s? Much cheaper to pay a one off premium and get one when you want it.
^This. Chap I know locally got a 991 GT3, having previously lost an arm and a leg on a turbo. As you say, you pay one way or another.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Jumpingjackflash said:
I feel my point is being missed slightly.

If a customer has bought a few Porsche's from the dealer and they get a GT car then I totally understand. My point is customers who have GT cars and "flip" them and continue to get more.

If Mr Smith got a GT car and sold it privately then Porsche should not give him another.

If Mr Smith trades his GT car for a new GT car or even a new Cayenne at an Official Porsche Dealer then he can still get another GT car in the future.

with V5's and service records I don't think it is hard to remedy and that it why I think Porsche are not interested. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few back handers going on.

If I bought a GT car but sold it then I know I have had my chance and wouldn't get another. That is the way it should be.

Chris Harris sold his GT3 4.0 for a Ferrari and couldn't get a 911R. I like Chris harris a lot but that is they way it should be. If Chris kept his GT3 4.0 or traded it for the 911R then I couldn't argue with that.
I fundamentally disagree. It is none of Porsche's business what we do with our cars. I could buy a 911 R and push it off a cliff for a laugh. That is what ownership means.

If Porsche wants to sell GT cars subject to a condition that they not be sold on within x years, they can put that in the contract of sale (or try to - it might be unlawful).

RDMcG

19,096 posts

206 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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ORD said:
I fundamentally disagree. It is none of Porsche's business what we do with our cars. I could buy a 911 R and push it off a cliff for a laugh. That is what ownership means.

If Porsche wants to sell GT cars subject to a condition that they not be sold on within x years, they can put that in the contract of sale (or try to - it might be unlawful).
In Canada where I live they put a one year contract of no sale on the limited production cars. If you don't want to sign the contract, no problem. No car either.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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The GT3 is not classed as limited though.

Only the 911R and 918 were ltd numbered cars the last few years as far as I rembember, before that the 50th ed and the Sports classic before that.

supermono

7,368 posts

247 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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The OPC I've been using for about 12 years like clockwork for everything said point blank no chance at all of getting a 991 GT3 RS when I asked with steely eyed seriousness at the 991 launch. He was adamant I'd be wasting my time because I don't have a history of buying cars. My partner at the time (a fellow Porsche nut) was astonished actually about it and I think she was keen to take it further.

In a way I thought maybe that lack of history should really make me nearer the top of the list as it's clear I'm not a speculator, and having campaigned my GT2 for a decade must be an enthusiast.

I guess they like to say they don't want speculators but in reality want to reward people buying and selling cars quickly. The two options are incompatible in my view, and they should just go ahead and admit that if you want to make money off rare Porsches you can do do as a rewards for being a frequent buyer.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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supermono said:
I guess they like to say they don't want speculators but in reality want to reward people buying and selling cars quickly. The two options are incompatible in my view, and they should just go ahead and admit that if you want to make money off rare Porsches you can do do as a rewards for being a frequent buyer.
I think that's closer to the truth; they want to use the GT cars as crude leverage to get overall sales volumes up.