996 GT3 Cup Car - please someone persuade me not to
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Hi guys I race in Careera cup and have owned 20/30 plus cup cars since 2006 ..and the one I have kept is my 2005 996 cup ..only 1 of 3 imported into uk in 2005....good later 2004/05 cups with good history are well sort after and in Germany they are rising in value ..just look at the prices of 964 /993 cups ..the 996 2005 was last of the Manual cup made as the 997 was under build in 2005 for supercup ..in my advice be very careful what you buy ..
If like to have a chat feel free to pm me ..if on Instagram can have a look at my cups on
Karlleonard1976
If like to have a chat feel free to pm me ..if on Instagram can have a look at my cups on
Karlleonard1976
NIce Car Karl , agree fully with your sentiment , in an era where cars are all much faster and way easier ( for anyone ) to drive, it is a nice last of the truly analogue Porsche race cars to own and drive on track ...... 993 Cups are now 100's k so what will be next ...
I have a 2001 RS again the last manual GT Porsche , again not as fast and more complicated to get the speed ( Manual , no ABS , no electronic aids etc etc) but fun to drive ...
I have a 2001 RS again the last manual GT Porsche , again not as fast and more complicated to get the speed ( Manual , no ABS , no electronic aids etc etc) but fun to drive ...
hunter 66 said:
NIce Car Karl , agree fully with your sentiment , in an era where cars are all much faster and way easier ( for anyone ) to drive, it is a nice last of the truly analogue Porsche race cars to own and drive on track ...... 993 Cups are now 100's k so what will be next ...
I have a 2001 RS again the last manual GT Porsche , again not as fast and more complicated to get the speed ( Manual , no ABS , no electronic aids etc etc) but fun to drive ...
Nice I just bought and sold a 996 RS race car car..never raced ..cool cars ..! Was fitted with sequential but had original H box with it I have a 2001 RS again the last manual GT Porsche , again not as fast and more complicated to get the speed ( Manual , no ABS , no electronic aids etc etc) but fun to drive ...
Picture on my Instagram of car
Hi Karl , just looked at your instagram , and yes that is my 996RS at Donnington , sadly had major front tyre issue ( old tyres and new did not arrive on time ) so massive vibration which did not improved ...... so gave up running as impossible . Anyway checked that an oil leak had been fixed ( RMS ) .......
But was great to pick up the Felbermyer 997 RSR's from Proton ....... with 6 Le Mans races between them , so ran about 6 laps in one of them ..........
New masters race series for the cars , so maybe can race again
But was great to pick up the Felbermyer 997 RSR's from Proton ....... with 6 Le Mans races between them , so ran about 6 laps in one of them ..........
New masters race series for the cars , so maybe can race again
To give a clearer idea of how useable they are, in Germany many are converted for road use. It needs different doors and some other adjustments, but they remain very close to original. The only real pain would be that they idle at 2000 rpm and they're incredibly noisy. That can of course also be easily addressed with a silent exhaust.
hunter 66 said:
Hi Karl , just looked at your instagram , and yes that is my 996RS at Donnington , sadly had major front tyre issue ( old tyres and new did not arrive on time ) so massive vibration which did not improved ...... so gave up running as impossible . Anyway checked that an oil leak had been fixed ( RMS ) .......
But was great to pick up the Felbermyer 997 RSR's from Proton ....... with 6 Le Mans races between them , so ran about 6 laps in one of them ..........
New masters race series for the cars , so maybe can race again
lovely cars... I bought a rsr 997 also awhile ago...see video...have some wheels as mentioned if you need...I love your rsr's great cars and great history to them a rare find indeed...But was great to pick up the Felbermyer 997 RSR's from Proton ....... with 6 Le Mans races between them , so ran about 6 laps in one of them ..........
New masters race series for the cars , so maybe can race again
hope to see them at silvestone classic in july ...might get my 996 ready for a few laps
One aspect that has made running a Cup on track-days cheaper than I had expected is the use of used slicks. For racing or road cars on track-days this is not something I would have ever considered. But if you have a reliable source, it really makes sense when you don't use your Cup competitively. And as it uses the same tyres as the GT4 Club Sport, there are plenty teams with barely used to well used tyres.
Come a bit late to this but anyway here is my experience. I bought my 02 Cup a couple of years ago, after having a 64 RS and tracking that for 15 years or so. The Cup is quite a step on in terms of ability and I must admit was quite a shock first time out. Having never driven on slicks the first few laps were "interesting" to say the least. Once the tyres are up to temp the car is an absolute blast. Though I think it's going to take me some time to get to grips with it and drive it properly.I now have a new level of respect for the guys that raced these in Carrera Cup. Going from 64 RS to GT3 cup was probably not the best way. A road GT3 might have been a better idea.
There are some points that might not be immediately obvious that are worth noting, if you plan to use it for track days. There is much reduced steering lock which makes pit lane maneuvers tricky , add in a puck clutch (on/off) and the lack of handbrake, things as simple as noise tests become a personal challenge. I self support but it really makes things 110% easier if you have the car looked after at the track and can just concentrate on driving.
I trailer the car myself and it's a pain. Don't under estimate the time it takes to load the car , strap it down and fill the car with all the required paraphernalia. If you run slicks you'll probably want to trailer the car on the wets, which means carrying either an air bottle and lance or decent low level jack. A very large 700NM torque wrench , fuel cans etc etc. That is the bit I hate most about ownership.
If looking to buy it's worth checking that the car comes with working air jacks, if you plan to use them. I am sure there are cheaper ways to rebuild them but it's easy to spend £1k + at Sobek to get them sorted. Likewise the cost of Bottle , regulator,lance + line, and trolley will soon add up so it's a plus if the car comes with one. It's also nice to have the MODAS software and cable . If only to be able to know what the actual hours are on the engine. A new MODAS cable is £750 from memory. Originally the cars were supplied with two sets of slicks and one set of wets, again worth making sure they come with the car. I found when buying mine that cars sold quite quickly (if they were any good) there were an awful lot of very old adverts out there. Some several years old! So don't be fooled by apparent "cheap" cups , the ad is probably a few years out of date !
Rennlist is a good source of info. European based info is thinner on the ground. Good luck.
There are some points that might not be immediately obvious that are worth noting, if you plan to use it for track days. There is much reduced steering lock which makes pit lane maneuvers tricky , add in a puck clutch (on/off) and the lack of handbrake, things as simple as noise tests become a personal challenge. I self support but it really makes things 110% easier if you have the car looked after at the track and can just concentrate on driving.
I trailer the car myself and it's a pain. Don't under estimate the time it takes to load the car , strap it down and fill the car with all the required paraphernalia. If you run slicks you'll probably want to trailer the car on the wets, which means carrying either an air bottle and lance or decent low level jack. A very large 700NM torque wrench , fuel cans etc etc. That is the bit I hate most about ownership.
If looking to buy it's worth checking that the car comes with working air jacks, if you plan to use them. I am sure there are cheaper ways to rebuild them but it's easy to spend £1k + at Sobek to get them sorted. Likewise the cost of Bottle , regulator,lance + line, and trolley will soon add up so it's a plus if the car comes with one. It's also nice to have the MODAS software and cable . If only to be able to know what the actual hours are on the engine. A new MODAS cable is £750 from memory. Originally the cars were supplied with two sets of slicks and one set of wets, again worth making sure they come with the car. I found when buying mine that cars sold quite quickly (if they were any good) there were an awful lot of very old adverts out there. Some several years old! So don't be fooled by apparent "cheap" cups , the ad is probably a few years out of date !
Rennlist is a good source of info. European based info is thinner on the ground. Good luck.
Ok, everybody. You may be pleased to hear that in no small part down to the irresponsible encouragement I got on this thread, I did it!
Karl Leonard the all knowing GT3 Cup guy connected me with a film producer and part time Porsche race car dealer called Ivo van Riet, and between them they managed to get me in a very good car.
Ivo has just delivered the car over from Holland and I am still in shock. I have to say though that starting this thread, getting great advice and also being connected with someone who ended up advising me on the purchase has been the best experience I've had on pistonheads. Thank you all. Good people do exist on the internet.
Now if anyone knows how I can get around a 105 db static noise test next Wednesday without changing my exhaust, don't be shy, speak up!
Seriously, thanks everyone.
Karl Leonard the all knowing GT3 Cup guy connected me with a film producer and part time Porsche race car dealer called Ivo van Riet, and between them they managed to get me in a very good car.
Ivo has just delivered the car over from Holland and I am still in shock. I have to say though that starting this thread, getting great advice and also being connected with someone who ended up advising me on the purchase has been the best experience I've had on pistonheads. Thank you all. Good people do exist on the internet.
Now if anyone knows how I can get around a 105 db static noise test next Wednesday without changing my exhaust, don't be shy, speak up!
Seriously, thanks everyone.
Pictures so far are limited. Booked cadwell for next week so hopefully will have some more.
It's the car that Anthony Beltoise won the Carrera Cup France with in 2005 so a pretty cool history. He was the son of Jean-Pierre Beltoise who won Monaco in the 60s and the nephew of Francois Cevert, who was Jackie Stewart's great friend and team mate.
In the spirit of the car's French roots and the fact that sitting in it is about as intimidating to me as being at the controls of a spaceship, I've decided to call it Jean-Luc.
This is what I have so far.![](https://thumbsnap.com/sc/klyttsjC.jpg[/img]</a> <a href="https://thumbsnap.com/SvMu1cVe" Target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[img]https://thumbsnap.com/sc/SvMu1cVe.jpg)
It's the car that Anthony Beltoise won the Carrera Cup France with in 2005 so a pretty cool history. He was the son of Jean-Pierre Beltoise who won Monaco in the 60s and the nephew of Francois Cevert, who was Jackie Stewart's great friend and team mate.
In the spirit of the car's French roots and the fact that sitting in it is about as intimidating to me as being at the controls of a spaceship, I've decided to call it Jean-Luc.
This is what I have so far.
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