Youngsters are not into cars....

[SRT Hellcat]

hunter 66 owns a Tesla. My god what is the world coming too. We are all doomed I say, doomed

[ooid]

1-) youngsters do love cars, still.
2-) they do not have money.
3-) 991 is not in their radar.

[n17ves]

Shnozz said:

woollyjoe said:

I would 100% choose uber if i didn't already have a car.

Yep, and uber always aimed at making it a cheaper alternative to owning a car for the majority.

I live in a city centre and so traffic is bad 75% of the time, my parking space costs me a fortune, insurance is higher than rural areas and risk of damage probably higher too (hence the insurance!). Public transport is on my doorstep, ubers tread where public transport won't. I walk around the city for the most part, as do most of my city based friends. In turn, this also means many arranged and impromptu drinking sessions.

In truth there is no need at all for a car. Even when I visit home (5 hour drive away) its cheaper for me to catch a domestic flight than it is fuel for the car, before taking into account the 4 hours I've gained by choosing a plane.

The car is an expensive toy for me and if I worked out the cost per mile it would be horrific. Before it turns a wheel it's about £4k pa just to have it sat in a parking space in central town, insured and taxed. It is where the car club idea is probably a far better one for me as I would estimate its probably £10k pa overall to do 3k miles.

Same position as Shnozz with regards living in the city centre, I can get everywhere I need on foot - I don’t need a car, but I have (and have always had) a car as an expensive toy.

I don’t agree that the ‘younger’ generation are not interested in cars so much, I just think the housing market has priced most out the market. And to answer the OP, at 32 I have no interest in a cooking 991 either, a manual 991.2 GT3 is the only one of the range I will (if I could) buy right now...

[boxsey]

hornbaek said:

I think that driving has lost its allure to young people. It used to be an enjoyment. Today it is a chore and for young people driving is a means of transport to get from A to B. It is no longer horsepower end engine noise that make up a driving experience but the fact that you can be comfortable and online whilst travelling. I agree with a previous poster, that in 10 years time inner cities are for electric cars only. It will happen much faster than we think and development is exponential - not linear. The big question is where the revenue to the government is going to come from when they can no longer tax car owners. I think that a stamp duty of 12% is only the beginning.

+1 and I think that is why the mainstream car manufacturers now produce TV ads that focus more on how the cars are compatible with smart phones rather than how they drive.

[RDMcG]

I am convinced that electric and self driving is on the horizon, and also that we will see a lot more car sharing in urban environments. When the car becomes nothing more than a utility for occasional use there is no involvement of the user.

As it happens I did consider a Tesla and if I lived where I had a daily commute in heavy traffic and still wanted performance I would buy one. They are silly quick...I was blown away when I drove one. In my case I prefer to park my everyday car on the street and there was no practical way to charge it.

[lukeharding]

I'm 22 and very much into cars, and | know a lot of people who are my age who are. There are (as mentioned) quite a few people who aren't bothered about cars though, though nearly all of them still drive.

[V12 Virgin]

lukeharding said:

I'm 22 and very much into cars, and | know a lot of people who are my age who are. There are (as mentioned) quite a few people who aren't bothered about cars though, though nearly all of them still drive.

Second this- I know an awful lot of people my age (I'm 19) who love their cars. I'd say more people do then don't, but most aren't interested in improving their driving, just looking cool and making noise. I for one will be buying a 991 GTS as and when insurance allows- budget isn't the issue for a lot of younger high earners, it's the insurance.

[hunter 66]

SRT Hellcat said:

hunter 66 owns a Tesla. My god what is the world coming too. We are all doomed I say, doomed

Yes and really like it in town ......most driving has become more of a chore , if I lived in Wales may be different and like the self drive mode ..

[lukeharding]

V12 Virgin said:

Second this- I know an awful lot of people my age (I'm 19) who love their cars. I'd say more people do then don't, but most aren't interested in improving their driving, just looking cool and making noise. I for one will be buying a 991 GTS as and when insurance allows- budget isn't the issue for a lot of younger high earners, it's the insurance.

Yup its always the insurance. And you're right on the image thing, I know plenty of people with flash looking cars. Especially living in Essex

[sparta6]

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+1

Let's not forget all these budget airlines carting people off to places they don't need to be. Mass air pollution so that Mr and Mrs shellsuit can potter around a foreign town, stuff their faces for a couple of days, and post some exciting photos on Instagram.

Progress !

[MWM3]

V12 Virgin said:

Second this- I know an awful lot of people my age (I'm 19) who love their cars. I'd say more people do then don't, but most aren't interested in improving their driving, just looking cool and making noise. I for one will be buying a 991 GTS as and when insurance allows- budget isn't the issue for a lot of younger high earners, it's the insurance.

I passed up on a Chiron the other day. The deal was all agreed, the monthlies were well within my budget and I could easily put aside enough to pay the balloon in 4 years time but that £20k insurance quote just meant I couldn't go through with the deal.

[V12 Virgin]

MWM3 said:

V12 Virgin said:

Second this- I know an awful lot of people my age (I'm 19) who love their cars. I'd say more people do then don't, but most aren't interested in improving their driving, just looking cool and making noise. I for one will be buying a 991 GTS as and when insurance allows- budget isn't the issue for a lot of younger high earners, it's the insurance.

I passed up on a Chiron the other day. The deal was all agreed, the monthlies were well within my budget and I could easily put aside enough to pay the balloon in 4 years time but that £20k insurance quote just meant I couldn't go through with the deal.

It's a principle thing- sure I could afford a 911 but do I want to be throwing 20k down the drain in insurance? No. It's common sense.

[Wudee]

Well, I clearly took to small a sample.. good to hear. Also have to say that Amsterdam where I am based is a lot cheaper for housing than London. Car insurance is probably half of that in the UK and the people I was referencing are in the lucky disposition to earn a very decent income. On the other hand, everyone cycles, a train ride is max 52 euro to go anywhere in the Netherlands 2nd class and parking in Amsterdam is a mare. Seems more of a local problem that youth passes on the opportunity to own a car.

[Grantstown]

V12 Virgin said:

MWM3 said:

V12 Virgin said:

Second this- I know an awful lot of people my age (I'm 19) who love their cars. I'd say more people do then don't, but most aren't interested in improving their driving, just looking cool and making noise. I for one will be buying a 991 GTS as and when insurance allows- budget isn't the issue for a lot of younger high earners, it's the insurance.

I passed up on a Chiron the other day. The deal was all agreed, the monthlies were well within my budget and I could easily put aside enough to pay the balloon in 4 years time but that £20k insurance quote just meant I couldn't go through with the deal.

It's a principle thing- sure I could afford a 911 but do I want to be throwing 20k down the drain in insurance? No. It's common sense.

20k is less than 1% of the value of a Chiron. Plenty will pay 1k on a Ford Fiesta at 10% of its value or 500 quid on a 1k rust bucket.

[caelite]

Grantstown said:

20k is less than 1% of the value of a Chiron. Plenty will pay 1k on a Ford Fiesta at 10% of its value or 500 quid on a 1k rust bucket.

I think it's more principle rather than means, someone who can afford £20k insurance on a £2m car can easily afford a £20k Fiesta St with £500 insurance.

Someone who can afford a £1k car with £500 insurance is probably living at the extent of their means and doesn't exactly have the option to go for a more fairer deal.

[SRT Hellcat]

It is a 75/25 split with the youngsters that I know. Most of those youngsters in favour have petrolhead fathers and I guess it is in the genes.
I had the unfortunate experience of having to drive through central London a couple of months back.
20mph zones with pedestrians and cyclists that think they now rule the world.
I can understand why people living in these parts would give up their car.
That is not driving its purgatory.
Last year we moved from an area that was becoming more and more flat land with far greater traffic.
Too many people driving at 20 in a 30 limit.
Sole destroying.
Thank god we moved.
I can enjoy driving again.
Most people drive at least 10 over the posted limit and it almost feels like the good old days.
Apart from the myriad of unmarked cars which really is not playing the game.
As for EV's as yet they hold absolutely no interest and I still struggle to understand how anyone could enjoy the theatre.
Part of the enjoyment of driving for me is listening to the engine, the symphony of mechanical noise.
My 65 on solex carbs. The mfi on the 73S.
Between the four V8's, four flat 6's and one with the best soundtrack of any car ever produced they all sing a very different tune.
The day I get a woody over tire roar you can put me in a home

[donutskidmark]

They say blokes want to buy what cars they had as posters on their bedroom wall as a kid.......
But series 1 E types were made around 1961 / 62 and keep getting more expensive- which would indicate those blokes buying them are now in their eighties??

Kids these days are more interested in Apple products - soul destroying.

[RDMcG]

SRT Hellcat said:

It is a 75/25 split with the youngsters that I know. Most of those youngsters in favour have petrolhead fathers and I guess it is in the genes.
I had the unfortunate experience of having to drive through central London a couple of months back.
20mph zones with pedestrians and cyclists that think they now rule the world.
I can understand why people living in these parts would give up their car.
That is not driving its purgatory.
Last year we moved from an area that was becoming more and more flat land with far greater traffic.
Too many people driving at 20 in a 30 limit.
Sole destroying.
Thank god we moved.
I can enjoy driving again.
Most people drive at least 10 over the posted limit and it almost feels like the good old days.
Apart from the myriad of unmarked cars which really is not playing the game.
As for EV's as yet they hold absolutely no interest and I still struggle to understand how anyone could enjoy the theatre.
Part of the enjoyment of driving for me is listening to the engine, the symphony of mechanical noise.
My 65 on solex carbs. The mfi on the 73S.
Between the four V8's, four flat 6's and one with the best soundtrack of any car ever produced they all sing a very different tune.
The day I get a woody over tire roar you can put me in a home

I but this completely but I also believe that we leaving the analogue mechanical era. I am very sad that we are, and oddly am glad I am not young.
The web has changed all social interactions and removed the need for physical transport in many ways and we are now in the anti-car world.

The good news is.....not yet.

I will still pick up my cars in Germany ( till they eventually put speed limits on the autobahn which they will). I will still try to buy naturally aspirated cars, (some manual, some paddle), but at some stage I will succumb to the first purchase of an EV for city use. I have driven them.

But I think its all over for people like me in the long run.

[James44]

Geneve is spot on.

My job sees me spend a fair bit of time with EVs, charging infrastructure and more broadly consumer behaviour, the IoT and the 'Sharing Economy', both here and in the US. I have no doubt doubt cars are not what they used to be and the next generation do not have the same motivations towards ownership, type of car or status.

There will always be a few, but the vast majority are preoccupied with other other things in life. I heard the other day a forecast that this year will see the first person born that will never need to learn to drive but will have their own driverless car. I have been in a google driverless car in CA and its an amazing experience ... and I have a manual 997T.

I do believe that by the end of the century no one will not be driving cars. Tipping point for values is probably some 20-30 years away after which only real exotics will be kept as museum pieces. It is possible that no fossil fuel cars or manually driven cars will be allowed on roads in 80 years time. If so, they take up a lot of space for something you can't use.

J

[Joratk]

I'm a total petrolhead and love Porsche cars. Would pick one over any Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston, etc. However, on both occasions I've tried to spark a conversation with owners they just weren't having it.

One scowled at me. He was sitting in a nice 993 Carrera (with a Porsche Club GB sticker on the rear window) and when I mentioned how I love 993s he replied "NO, its a NINE ELEVEN" - errr, yeah mate, I know... Such arrogance.

So, perhaps elders aren't doing all they can to get youngsters into cars and more specifically Porsche?