997 GTS or 991.2 GTS?
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I have a 997 GTS (manual) bought new in September 2011. Low(ish) mileage, great condition and Porsche extended warranty through to September 2018. I love this car but it's nearly six years old and I see values increasing to pretty much what I paid for the car in 2011. I had a 24 hour test drive in the 991.2 S and it was a nice car - nothing special, but nice.
Everything I read about the new GTS suggests it's a real step up from the S, but is it really any better than my 997 GTS? I would probably order another manual but is the new 7 speed as good as my (short shift) manual 6 speed?
Do I sell the 997 now while the market is strong and then wait 6-9 months for a new GTS? Even with the strong market for 997 cars, I guessing the price differential would still be circa £40k. Has anyone gone from 997 GTS to 991.2 GTS? If so, I would appreciate your views.
Everything I read about the new GTS suggests it's a real step up from the S, but is it really any better than my 997 GTS? I would probably order another manual but is the new 7 speed as good as my (short shift) manual 6 speed?
Do I sell the 997 now while the market is strong and then wait 6-9 months for a new GTS? Even with the strong market for 997 cars, I guessing the price differential would still be circa £40k. Has anyone gone from 997 GTS to 991.2 GTS? If so, I would appreciate your views.
OPC Silverstone's Demo is a manual...it's still in the showroom and I don't think going to be available to test drive for another month or so but might be worth giving them a shout as I doubt there are many manual demo's around....PEC do have manual cars.
Have you ruled out a 991.1 GTS ? Might be a better move from a 997 GTS...quite a few coming onto the market as people trade them in for the .2
I think moving from a manual 997 GTS to a 991.2 would be quite a big jump becase of the turbo engine ?....I think I'd also consider 981 Spyder and GT4. I have a manual 997 GTS too and would go 981 Spyder if I didn't need the extra practicality of the 911.
Have you ruled out a 991.1 GTS ? Might be a better move from a 997 GTS...quite a few coming onto the market as people trade them in for the .2
I think moving from a manual 997 GTS to a 991.2 would be quite a big jump becase of the turbo engine ?....I think I'd also consider 981 Spyder and GT4. I have a manual 997 GTS too and would go 981 Spyder if I didn't need the extra practicality of the 911.
I have not gone from a 997 gt3 but went from a 997 gt3 to a 991.2 gts and while I loved the gt3 I love the gts more it's a really great car.
Perhaps part of that is subconsciously I thought the electric steering and turbo would dull the experience but it has not the steering is still great the sound is really great (might not scream like a gt3 but it sounds organic and alive and can still rev) and pace is fed a step up from the gt3 so would think a 997 gts is a big jump.
From my first impressions the 991.2 gts is living up to its reviews
Perhaps part of that is subconsciously I thought the electric steering and turbo would dull the experience but it has not the steering is still great the sound is really great (might not scream like a gt3 but it sounds organic and alive and can still rev) and pace is fed a step up from the gt3 so would think a 997 gts is a big jump.
From my first impressions the 991.2 gts is living up to its reviews
My PDK GTS now has 38k miles on, having put over 20k on myself in just over 3 years. It's been in for 6 year service and warranty renewal, but also needs a host of other stuff (discs and pads, heat shields, exhaust flanges, steering rack), which is a likely £5k + bill. I had a 991.1 GTS on loan for a few days a while back, but couldn't justify the c.£40k difference in value over mine.
I drove a 991.2 S, which was lovely - felt more modern than mine in the cabin (as expected) and actually liked the engine. But I'm struggling to part with mine and nothing really jumps out at me. The OPC are convinced I'll love the 991.2 GTS and does sound like a fantastic car. Personally, with a manual, low miles 997 GTS I'd be in no rush to change to anything at the moment. Perhaps wait for a drive in the 991.2 GTS and if it's what you're after, you might get an allocation (sorry, not up to speed on whether these have all gone), or wait for the approved used models to come in.
I drove a 991.2 S, which was lovely - felt more modern than mine in the cabin (as expected) and actually liked the engine. But I'm struggling to part with mine and nothing really jumps out at me. The OPC are convinced I'll love the 991.2 GTS and does sound like a fantastic car. Personally, with a manual, low miles 997 GTS I'd be in no rush to change to anything at the moment. Perhaps wait for a drive in the 991.2 GTS and if it's what you're after, you might get an allocation (sorry, not up to speed on whether these have all gone), or wait for the approved used models to come in.
I am making the switch from a 997 GTS2 PDK to a 991.2 GTS2 manual in around a month so will report back once I've collected the new car. Am looking forward to it.
What helped me to justify the cost to change is knowing that I haven't lost anything in depreciation on the 997 in 3 years of ownership and 15k miles. So losing a bit on a new car somehow won't feel as painful (in my head at least!).
What helped me to justify the cost to change is knowing that I haven't lost anything in depreciation on the 997 in 3 years of ownership and 15k miles. So losing a bit on a new car somehow won't feel as painful (in my head at least!).
joelgti said:
I am making the switch from a 997 GTS2 PDK to a 991.2 GTS2 manual in around a month so will report back once I've collected the new car. Am looking forward to it.
What helped me to justify the cost to change is knowing that I haven't lost anything in depreciation on the 997 in 3 years of ownership and 15k miles. So losing a bit on a new car somehow won't feel as painful (in my head at least!).
There's nothing more satisfying than applying a healthy dose of man-maths to justify our unnecessary extravagant car purchases imo.In my instance i have a £100K+ 991.2GTS coupe awaiting collection at my OPC and a new Panamera 4e hybrid the week after to pick up.My 991.2GTS will be my wife's car and the Panny will be approx 50% business use lol...What helped me to justify the cost to change is knowing that I haven't lost anything in depreciation on the 997 in 3 years of ownership and 15k miles. So losing a bit on a new car somehow won't feel as painful (in my head at least!).
I'm actually looking forward hugely to picking up both cars as i derive enormous pleasure each time i pick up a new Porsche despite the fact that i cannot justify any of them from a purely transport pov..My attitude is you only live once and life is way too short to spend every waking moment of your precious free time trying to justify every luxury.I run my business with absolute tight control on every penny of cost incurred and i'll be damned if i spend my limited time off with the same ethos..
So in a very round about way i'm advising the OP to get a new 991.2GTS as i can guarantee you knowing Porsche it will be by far the best version of the 911GTS they've ever built..
Taffy66 said:
There's nothing more satisfying than applying a healthy dose of man-maths to justify our unnecessary extravagant car purchases imo.In my instance i have a £100K+ 991.2GTS coupe awaiting collection at my OPC and a new Panamera 4e hybrid the week after to pick up.My 991.2GTS will be my wife's car and the Panny will be approx 50% business use lol...
I'm actually looking forward hugely to picking up both cars as i derive enormous pleasure each time i pick up a new Porsche despite the fact that i cannot justify any of them from a purely transport pov..My attitude is you only live once and life is way too short to spend every waking moment of your precious free time trying to justify every luxury.I run my business with absolute tight control on every penny of cost incurred and i'll be damned if i spend my limited time off with the same ethos..
So in a very round about way i'm advising the OP to get a new 991.2GTS as i can guarantee you knowing Porsche it will be by far the best version of the 911GTS they've ever built..
Love this justification, a great outlook on these toys we buy. Only caution is making sure that you define "better" in the same way as manufacturers and journalists. It often, (and in this case probably does) mean faster, more refined, bigger, grippier, better tech, better fuel consumption, better interior etc. Some of us however find imperfections that haven't been ironed out yet to be the the challenge that gives us the most enjoyment and reward and some of the "better" things can sometimes remove some of the fun. All depends what floats your boat. I'm actually looking forward hugely to picking up both cars as i derive enormous pleasure each time i pick up a new Porsche despite the fact that i cannot justify any of them from a purely transport pov..My attitude is you only live once and life is way too short to spend every waking moment of your precious free time trying to justify every luxury.I run my business with absolute tight control on every penny of cost incurred and i'll be damned if i spend my limited time off with the same ethos..
So in a very round about way i'm advising the OP to get a new 991.2GTS as i can guarantee you knowing Porsche it will be by far the best version of the 911GTS they've ever built..
c4sman said:
Love this justification, a great outlook on these toys we buy. Only caution is making sure that you define "better" in the same way as manufacturers and journalists. It often, (and in this case probably does) mean faster, more refined, bigger, grippier, better tech, better fuel consumption, better interior etc. Some of us however find imperfections that haven't been ironed out yet to be the the challenge that gives us the most enjoyment and reward and some of the "better" things can sometimes remove some of the fun. All depends what floats your boat.
My reference to ''better'' meant purely in an objective basis as defined by measurements of various criteria..Obviously ''better'' in a subjective manner is totally different and purely personal and not necessarily the latest and 'best' version..!Thanks for the (sometimes conflicting) advice! I like to buy new, which sort of rules out the Spyder, GT4 and 991.1. Perhaps I should rethink that.
I did have my name down (and deposit paid - but that's another story) for a GT4, but to no avail. Was so disappointed with my OPC that I didn't even try for the Spyder, but did come within a whisker of buying the 50 year anniversary 991, which was pretty much a GTS with cosmetics. Dropped our at the last minute because (at that time) values of 997 GTS were a long way below today's market; plus the only 50 year model I could find was PDK.
Must say I like Taffy's comment, which you could call 'the Nike approach' . . . just do it!
Need to decide soon so thanks again for all your comments . . .
I did have my name down (and deposit paid - but that's another story) for a GT4, but to no avail. Was so disappointed with my OPC that I didn't even try for the Spyder, but did come within a whisker of buying the 50 year anniversary 991, which was pretty much a GTS with cosmetics. Dropped our at the last minute because (at that time) values of 997 GTS were a long way below today's market; plus the only 50 year model I could find was PDK.
Must say I like Taffy's comment, which you could call 'the Nike approach' . . . just do it!
Need to decide soon so thanks again for all your comments . . .
T25UFO said:
Thanks for the (sometimes conflicting) advice! I like to buy new, which sort of rules out the Spyder, GT4 and 991.1. Perhaps I should rethink that.
I did have my name down (and deposit paid - but that's another story) for a GT4, but to no avail. Was so disappointed with my OPC that I didn't even try for the Spyder, but did come within a whisker of buying the 50 year anniversary 991, which was pretty much a GTS with cosmetics. Dropped our at the last minute because (at that time) values of 997 GTS were a long way below today's market; plus the only 50 year model I could find was PDK.
Must say I like Taffy's comment, which you could call 'the Nike approach' . . . just do it!
Need to decide soon so thanks again for all your comments . . .
A lot to be said for "doing a Nike"....wise words from Taffy.I did have my name down (and deposit paid - but that's another story) for a GT4, but to no avail. Was so disappointed with my OPC that I didn't even try for the Spyder, but did come within a whisker of buying the 50 year anniversary 991, which was pretty much a GTS with cosmetics. Dropped our at the last minute because (at that time) values of 997 GTS were a long way below today's market; plus the only 50 year model I could find was PDK.
Must say I like Taffy's comment, which you could call 'the Nike approach' . . . just do it!
Need to decide soon so thanks again for all your comments . . .
If you want a new car 991.2 GTS is getting rave reviews from those people who've picked there's up. I'd put your name down pronto as I am sure the wait is six months plus and see if the OPC can get you a test drive at the PEC or can offer you a test drive in their own demo.
GT4P said:
Manual 997gts to 991.1gts IMHO not a good move! Far better to spend an extra £10k on 991.2 Gts!( 18 month old 991.1 Gts 5k miles £95k a new well specd 991.2 Gts £105k)
Or swap out for a low miles Gt4!
I guess it speaks volumes about the 991.1 gts that values are still holding strong at the £95k mark.Or swap out for a low miles Gt4!
Either way having the option to buy any 911 gts is a fantastic position to be in.
Taffy66 said:
GT4P said:
Manual 997gts to 991.1gts IMHO not a good move! Far better to spend an extra £10k on 991.2 Gts!( 18 month old 991.1 Gts 5k miles £95k a new well specd 991.2 Gts £105k)
Or swap out for a low miles Gt4!
Absolutely spot on imo..Or swap out for a low miles Gt4!
It'll be very interesting to see where 991.1 and 991.2 prices settle in the next few years.
I do think if you're going manual there's something about a manual gearbox and a naturally aspirated engine that means I'd lean towards the 991.1 rather than the 991.2. PDK is definitely different and in the Cab or Targa I'd have the 991.2 because of the extra weight and the extra power of the 991.2,
Anyone who's looking for a 991.2 GTS , I've just cancelled my car due in 6 weeks . 2WD , Coupe , Manual , Buckets , GTS Interior Pack , White . Approx £100k car . Newcastle .
Only cancelled as a) GT3 coming early than expected and b) 987 Manual Spyder became available at OPC which I couldn't resist and I can hopefully manage to keep as well as GT3 ( Hopefully the missus isn't reading this ! )
T25UFO said:
I have a 997 GTS (manual) bought new in September 2011. Low(ish) mileage, great condition and Porsche extended warranty through to September 2018. I love this car but it's nearly six years old and I see values increasing to pretty much what I paid for the car in 2011. I had a 24 hour test drive in the 991.2 S and it was a nice car - nothing special, but nice.
Everything I read about the new GTS suggests it's a real step up from the S, but is it really any better than my 997 GTS? I would probably order another manual but is the new 7 speed as good as my (short shift) manual 6 speed?
Do I sell the 997 now while the market is strong and then wait 6-9 months for a new GTS? Even with the strong market for 997 cars, I guessing the price differential would still be circa £40k. Has anyone gone from 997 GTS to 991.2 GTS? If so, I would appreciate your views.
FWIW, I went from a 981 GTS to a 997 GTS. If a 981/991.1/991.2 chassis tech appears to be broadly the same (apart from RWS). I bring this up as my 997 GTS feels noticeably rawer than my 981 was, and also much rawer than the 991.2 C2S I test drove a while back. I find this really nice. You could drive around all day with PASM in Sport on a 9x1.x and never be any the wiser that you were in the hardest setting (I've done it!). However the 997 GTS in PASM Normal feels like a 9x1.x in PASM Sport to me, maybe a tad softer but not much. And when you put the 997 GTS in PASM Sport, it feels proper firm and not really useable on most UK roads, very much like my old 997.1 GT3 in PASM Sport. But it does give a feel of having much more control and I can't wait to get it on track.Everything I read about the new GTS suggests it's a real step up from the S, but is it really any better than my 997 GTS? I would probably order another manual but is the new 7 speed as good as my (short shift) manual 6 speed?
Do I sell the 997 now while the market is strong and then wait 6-9 months for a new GTS? Even with the strong market for 997 cars, I guessing the price differential would still be circa £40k. Has anyone gone from 997 GTS to 991.2 GTS? If so, I would appreciate your views.
Ultimately, I think if you simply fancy a change as we all are wont to do, none of this will matter. But if you're after a rawer experience without having to go at warp 9 on a public road, the 997 may be the car to keep. If you like the NA engine character and fancy a bit more refinement, a 991.1 GTS would be a good shout I imagine. Like 997s the 991.1 manual RWD Coupe GTSs are rare as hen's teeth, so if you can find one your money will be reasonably safe I should think. As for 991.2 GTSs, as much as I try, I struggle to get excited about them. For that budget and looking for a more GT/torquey experience that the new Porsches provide, I'd be buying a V12 like a 599 GTB
I had a 997 gts pdk and have just changed recently from a 991.2 c2s to a new 991.2 gts. All I can say is the GTS.2 is a major step up from my previous c2s and by far the best 911 I have ever driven including the 997 gts which I also really liked.
To me this new gts feels more like a compleatly new generation of 911, not just an upgraded 991.
Its manic fast, beautiful to look at and driving it is truly a special event each time.
To me this new gts feels more like a compleatly new generation of 911, not just an upgraded 991.
Its manic fast, beautiful to look at and driving it is truly a special event each time.
agree. any new owners of 991.2 GTS coupes will say the same and its not owner blinkers, the car feels exceptional and has exceeded expectations. I had an e92 M3 last which I loved but this car is many levels above it. I test drove an M4 last year and felt it was a big step down from the e92 in enjoyment so I'm shocked how Porsche has done a similar upgrade and make it work so much better (comparing E92 m3 to m4 and 997 gt3 to 991.2 Gts)
I'm left wondering how much better the 991.2 Gt3 could possibly be for road use
I'm left wondering how much better the 991.2 Gt3 could possibly be for road use
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