Can anyone share their experiences of their early Panamera
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I'm sure to get corrected but in the UK I've had no need for Winter tyres, we seemingly survived before we became dependent on them for one or two days. I've used the 4s without any issues, the 4wd being great. Just don't spank it and be sensible. 4wd doesnt mean you can drive at normal speeds, well, unless you are in an X5/Q7 in which case you are able to drive at normal speeds and distance from the car in front....
Judge your driving speed and conditions. Maybe I'm the stig, perhaps, but in almost 30 years of driving in all weather I have yet once found myself thinking I need a set of expensive winter tyres. They have become the must have, the go to item for all forums up and down the country. How did we live without them for so long?
I am not suggesting Winter tyres are not for consideration but I'm still needing a lot of convincing. As I said, perhaps I'm a motoring God without realising this but I've driven cars half the weight of the panamera with more power than a turbo S through winters and they were on summer tyres. Of course there were times I couldnt take them out, but the AWD system in the Panamera would make it even harder for me to consider winters. The car behaved impeccably in the world ending snow storms we recently had but I still drove it sensibly.
I am not suggesting Winter tyres are not for consideration but I'm still needing a lot of convincing. As I said, perhaps I'm a motoring God without realising this but I've driven cars half the weight of the panamera with more power than a turbo S through winters and they were on summer tyres. Of course there were times I couldnt take them out, but the AWD system in the Panamera would make it even harder for me to consider winters. The car behaved impeccably in the world ending snow storms we recently had but I still drove it sensibly.
George Smiley said:
Judge your driving speed and conditions. Maybe I'm the stig, perhaps, but in almost 30 years of driving in all weather I have yet once found myself thinking I need a set of expensive winter tyres. They have become the must have, the go to item for all forums up and down the country. How did we live without them for so long?
I am not suggesting Winter tyres are not for consideration but I'm still needing a lot of convincing. As I said, perhaps I'm a motoring God without realising this but I've driven cars half the weight of the panamera with more power than a turbo S through winters and they were on summer tyres. Of course there were times I couldnt take them out, but the AWD system in the Panamera would make it even harder for me to consider winters. The car behaved impeccably in the world ending snow storms we recently had but I still drove it sensibly.
I agree. I've been driving for almost forty years without them.I am not suggesting Winter tyres are not for consideration but I'm still needing a lot of convincing. As I said, perhaps I'm a motoring God without realising this but I've driven cars half the weight of the panamera with more power than a turbo S through winters and they were on summer tyres. Of course there were times I couldnt take them out, but the AWD system in the Panamera would make it even harder for me to consider winters. The car behaved impeccably in the world ending snow storms we recently had but I still drove it sensibly.
I only have them now because I'm legally required to do so when in my part of Italy between November and May.
It does mean I'm a tad brisker on the motorway in wet weather than I would be otherwise and my 20" Spider summer wheels look less careworn than comparable wheels on earlier cars which soaked up salt and grit for the six months of the year that my summer wheels now rest.
My first winter with the GTS and the car behaved brilliantly in the slightly more significant snowfall in Cheltenham before Christmas. Really no problem at all.
I’m on the PZeros which I don’t think are necessarily the best tyre but they’re what we’re on the car. I have thought about winters but only because the front crabbing/Ackerman effect is very pronounced in the cold weather until the tyres have warmed up and I had wondered if winters may reduce this.
Otherwise, brilliant, like every other aspect of the car (except the fuel consumption!)
I’m on the PZeros which I don’t think are necessarily the best tyre but they’re what we’re on the car. I have thought about winters but only because the front crabbing/Ackerman effect is very pronounced in the cold weather until the tyres have warmed up and I had wondered if winters may reduce this.
Otherwise, brilliant, like every other aspect of the car (except the fuel consumption!)
Till135 said:
Otherwise, brilliant, like every other aspect of the car (except the fuel consumption!)
My turbo seems to give me about 20mpg pottering about / 25 mixed driving / 30+ on motorway cruises
I’ve done 6000 miles so far, taking it to 9500 total. Around town is 17mpg, 20 if you’re lucky. I think I got 27 on a gentle motorway run but realistically a long run gets about 26.
Ironically however of all the cars I’ve had, it gives me the longest range due to the huge fuel tank!
Overall I honestly don’t care about the fuel as it seems proportionate to the car and because of having a great range. It’s only slightly worse than my 2013 Defender when I had it though !
But the exhaust..............it does sound so nice 👍🏻
Ironically however of all the cars I’ve had, it gives me the longest range due to the huge fuel tank!
Overall I honestly don’t care about the fuel as it seems proportionate to the car and because of having a great range. It’s only slightly worse than my 2013 Defender when I had it though !
But the exhaust..............it does sound so nice 👍🏻
Pretty much the same as the poster above, I regularly got 25mpg+ on longish runs, even just over 30mpg on a very long run through France in the rain with the cruise at 130km/h. London driving was in the teens, depending on traffic conditions. Very impressive economy in my view but as has already been suggested, the real benefit is the long distance between fill ups.
The Turbo S is thirstier, as one would expect. London driving figures are probably the same as the GTS and on the open road the car is more likely to average 20-ish mpg with 25mpg on longer runs if I’m not pushing on. So, I still get around 400 miles or so to a tank and there isn’t much difference whether I drive like a vicar or a reasonably well behaved villain. If I put my foot down a few times, the fuel needle can go into relative freefall.
The Turbo S is thirstier, as one would expect. London driving figures are probably the same as the GTS and on the open road the car is more likely to average 20-ish mpg with 25mpg on longer runs if I’m not pushing on. So, I still get around 400 miles or so to a tank and there isn’t much difference whether I drive like a vicar or a reasonably well behaved villain. If I put my foot down a few times, the fuel needle can go into relative freefall.
Till135 said:
My first winter with the GTS and the car behaved brilliantly in the slightly more significant snowfall in Cheltenham before Christmas. Really no problem at all.
I’m on the PZeros which I don’t think are necessarily the best tyre but they’re what we’re on the car. I have thought about winters but only because the front crabbing/Ackerman effect is very pronounced in the cold weather until the tyres have warmed up and I had wondered if winters may reduce this.
Otherwise, brilliant, like every other aspect of the car (except the fuel consumption!)
Funnily enough, I've just changed over to summer tyres, which I had last year, so not new, and the Ackerman thing is there for the first few minutes. I’m on the PZeros which I don’t think are necessarily the best tyre but they’re what we’re on the car. I have thought about winters but only because the front crabbing/Ackerman effect is very pronounced in the cold weather until the tyres have warmed up and I had wondered if winters may reduce this.
Otherwise, brilliant, like every other aspect of the car (except the fuel consumption!)
More worryingly, I'm experiencing the odd axle tramp (while doing nothing notably exotic)... The last time, I was accelerating away from a roundabout turnoff over an expansion strip and had a bit of a hop, skip and jump. Anybody else?
Axle tramp in a four wheel drive vehicle should be pretty much impossible I would think. Now that the weather has warmed up the car is spot on again. With such a long cold winter I’m thinking of possibly buying a “winter car” come October so that I don’t have to live with the same again for another winter.
I did get some of the worst axle tramp for years recently though ......... in a C63s AMG. Terrible in damp and cool conditions
I did get some of the worst axle tramp for years recently though ......... in a C63s AMG. Terrible in damp and cool conditions
Till135 said:
Axle tramp in a four wheel drive vehicle should be pretty much impossible I would think. Now that the weather has warmed up the car is spot on again. With such a long cold winter I’m thinking of possibly buying a “winter car” come October so that I don’t have to live with the same again for another winter.
I did get some of the worst axle tramp for years recently though ......... in a C63s AMG. Terrible in damp and cool conditions
Thanks. I did get some of the worst axle tramp for years recently though ......... in a C63s AMG. Terrible in damp and cool conditions
Mine's only an S, so only RWD.
I replicated exactly the same phenomenon this morning at the same spot, so it's not a one off. At the very least, I'll need to show caution leaving that particular roundabout.
Update with thoughts. Don't buy one out of the dealer network or without a solid warranty.
I still love mine but its been in and out recently with a spate of faults that it seems to be pointing now to an issue with the loom - somewhere.
I'm in talks about rejecting/sending back and normally would not have an issue - trouble is, the car is too good to easily give up on in regards to its total package of luxury/practicality that knowing what would replace it is difficult but I will be following the path of returning for now.
I still love mine but its been in and out recently with a spate of faults that it seems to be pointing now to an issue with the loom - somewhere.
I'm in talks about rejecting/sending back and normally would not have an issue - trouble is, the car is too good to easily give up on in regards to its total package of luxury/practicality that knowing what would replace it is difficult but I will be following the path of returning for now.
George Smiley said:
Update with thoughts. Don't buy one out of the dealer network or without a solid warranty.
I still love mine but its been in and out recently with a spate of faults that it seems to be pointing now to an issue with the loom - somewhere.
I'm in talks about rejecting/sending back and normally would not have an issue - trouble is, the car is too good to easily give up on in regards to its total package of luxury/practicality that knowing what would replace it is difficult but I will be following the path of returning for now.
Couldn't agree more with this. My previous GTS had all sorts of mechanical and electrical issues and my Turbo S is only marginally better, having just had a PDCC leak and malfunctioning sports exhaust fixed (it was stuck in the quiet setting). I still love mine but its been in and out recently with a spate of faults that it seems to be pointing now to an issue with the loom - somewhere.
I'm in talks about rejecting/sending back and normally would not have an issue - trouble is, the car is too good to easily give up on in regards to its total package of luxury/practicality that knowing what would replace it is difficult but I will be following the path of returning for now.
I bought both cars through OPCs and all claims were made under the associated warranties with absolutely no hassle, saving me thousands (the suspension replacement alone on my GTS was something like £5k - it solved the creaks!).
As George Smiley says, the cars have their faults but are too good to give up. I can't help but wonder whether the QP GTS I looked at would have been more reliable but then again, it doesn't have 4wd and doesn't get a great write up.
Regarding the Ackerman effect, both of my cars suffered it with the Pirellis they came with and it got worse with wear. I changed to Yokohamas (fitted by Porsche) on both cars and the effect was far less pronounced. They grip extremely well and are less noisy. Wear wise, they seem to be as good as Pirellis.
Mosdef said:
Regarding the Ackerman effect, both of my cars suffered it with the Pirellis they came with and it got worse with wear. I changed to Yokohamas (fitted by Porsche) on both cars and the effect was far less pronounced. They grip extremely well and are less noisy. Wear wise, they seem to be as good as Pirellis.
Ackerman effect is definitely tyre and temperature related from my experience with our Cayenne. On winter tyres we don't get it at all and on summer tyres it's more noticeable at the start of winter before winter tyres get put on the car. Mid summer I don't notice it. I remember in the Panny test car I had last Christmas it was really bad at low speeds...I actually thought the car had a fault as I pulled out of the parking space at the OPC. Never experienced it before.
POORCARDEALER said:
Anyone know the price of a 2 year extended warranty & did you negotiate ?
From memory so don't quote me... when you buy an AUC car there is a 2k premium included with the mandatory sale of an AUC policy.Be aware though, any after market parts may result in a claim being refused even if it is not related - block restrictions don't apply to these policies.
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