Porsche 996 Turbo
Discussion
ScienceTeacher said:
I do think if you are lucky and maybe run one from new, if you are careful, then the costs are not dreadful. If you like preventative maintenance and don't like the idea that bits are not really A1 then running one of these is expensive. Realistically, mine has cost me ~£3K a year to service and maintain, at least. I've had it 3 years and only drive 5K a year. I am worried about the replacement turbos that I need to budget for which will come to circa £6K.
Ken told me to budget £4K a year on 8K miles. My car is in good condition; '04; and has 78K miles and it's garaged and used carefully. They are complicated cars and have so much to maintain / can fail. Gearboxes, front diff, top mounts, heat shields, rads, turbos + gubbins, manifolds and exhausts, brake pipes, hoses etc.I love mine, though, and very seriously there are few cars I'd really like a great deal more at any price - and none at my level. A decent '6 GT3 RS or Carrera GT (holy grail) I'd prefer. Other cars - well I'd just as likely get into the 996, an old friend I know and love.
Good post. As I've said, I have always felt the turbo was vastly, criminally underrated. It is, in effect, a 2+2 supercar. The same performance and driveability in a rakish 2 seat body would seal that argument.Ken told me to budget £4K a year on 8K miles. My car is in good condition; '04; and has 78K miles and it's garaged and used carefully. They are complicated cars and have so much to maintain / can fail. Gearboxes, front diff, top mounts, heat shields, rads, turbos + gubbins, manifolds and exhausts, brake pipes, hoses etc.I love mine, though, and very seriously there are few cars I'd really like a great deal more at any price - and none at my level. A decent '6 GT3 RS or Carrera GT (holy grail) I'd prefer. Other cars - well I'd just as likely get into the 996, an old friend I know and love.
In order to get the combination of performance and usability, the turbo is necessarily complex and therefore a little costly to run, but when you look at what a turbo can actually do, it's not really surprising or out of step.
ScienceTeacher said:
I do think if you are lucky and maybe run one from new, if you are careful, then the costs are not dreadful. If you like preventative maintenance and don't like the idea that bits are not really A1 then running one of these is expensive. Realistically, mine has cost me ~£3K a year to service and maintain, at least. I've had it 3 years and only drive 5K a year. I am worried about the replacement turbos that I need to budget for which will come to circa £6K.
Ken told me to budget £4K a year on 8K miles. My car is in good condition; '04; and has 78K miles and it's garaged and used carefully. They are complicated cars and have so much to maintain / can fail. Gearboxes, front diff, top mounts, heat shields, rads, turbos + gubbins, manifolds and exhausts, brake pipes, hoses etc.I love mine, though, and very seriously there are few cars I'd really like a great deal more at any price - and none at my level. A decent '6 GT3 RS or Carrera GT (holy grail) I'd prefer. Other cars - well I'd just as likely get into the 996, an old friend I know and love.
why is everyone concerned about replacement turbos have them removed and serviced new bearings seal thrust washers balanced straight forward job and not expensive.Ken told me to budget £4K a year on 8K miles. My car is in good condition; '04; and has 78K miles and it's garaged and used carefully. They are complicated cars and have so much to maintain / can fail. Gearboxes, front diff, top mounts, heat shields, rads, turbos + gubbins, manifolds and exhausts, brake pipes, hoses etc.I love mine, though, and very seriously there are few cars I'd really like a great deal more at any price - and none at my level. A decent '6 GT3 RS or Carrera GT (holy grail) I'd prefer. Other cars - well I'd just as likely get into the 996, an old friend I know and love.
Having been in the marine side for 50 yrs and overhauled large BB blowers basecd on no damage etc then rotor must be ok strip down new bearings seals and thrust washer set up the thrust float and re install
catsey said:
ScienceTeacher said:
I do think if you are lucky and maybe run one from new, if you are careful, then the costs are not dreadful. If you like preventative maintenance and don't like the idea that bits are not really A1 then running one of these is expensive. Realistically, mine has cost me ~£3K a year to service and maintain, at least. I've had it 3 years and only drive 5K a year. I am worried about the replacement turbos that I need to budget for which will come to circa £6K.
Ken told me to budget £4K a year on 8K miles. My car is in good condition; '04; and has 78K miles and it's garaged and used carefully. They are complicated cars and have so much to maintain / can fail. Gearboxes, front diff, top mounts, heat shields, rads, turbos + gubbins, manifolds and exhausts, brake pipes, hoses etc.I love mine, though, and very seriously there are few cars I'd really like a great deal more at any price - and none at my level. A decent '6 GT3 RS or Carrera GT (holy grail) I'd prefer. Other cars - well I'd just as likely get into the 996, an old friend I know and love.
why is everyone concerned about replacement turbos have them removed and serviced new bearings seal thrust washers balanced straight forward job and not expensive.Ken told me to budget £4K a year on 8K miles. My car is in good condition; '04; and has 78K miles and it's garaged and used carefully. They are complicated cars and have so much to maintain / can fail. Gearboxes, front diff, top mounts, heat shields, rads, turbos + gubbins, manifolds and exhausts, brake pipes, hoses etc.I love mine, though, and very seriously there are few cars I'd really like a great deal more at any price - and none at my level. A decent '6 GT3 RS or Carrera GT (holy grail) I'd prefer. Other cars - well I'd just as likely get into the 996, an old friend I know and love.
Having been in the marine side for 50 yrs and overhauled large BB blowers basecd on no damage etc then rotor must be ok strip down new bearings seals and thrust washer set up the thrust float and re install
There are people out there who love to push the Porsche tax, but the reality is, the K16 is just like any journal based turbo and costs the same to overhaul as any other, there's nothing special about them.
One good thing about them is they're well placed and accessible for replacement, even snapping studs in the heads are easily removed, try doing that with a GTR.
HTA wheels work superbly well on the K16. Best Street turbo I've driven.
My understanding of the situation is that it is not the internals it is the externals of the turbo. There is then all the rotten pipework assoociated with it and the removal of the turbos from the exhaust in the first place. This is very costly, lots of faff. The turbos themselves are not grossly expensive (~£2.5K a pair). The extra stuff and lengthy labour is the pain. £6K does seem a lot, I agree, however...
Who would you recommend to deal with the problem??
Who would you recommend to deal with the problem??
ScienceTeacher said:
Gad, looking again at the prices new K16 turbo are a lot more than that...
well no need to go for newI live in Clitheroe and know of a rebuild company over preston way .
Years ago I had a Cossie and i had it chipped at the same time i asked the young Motor Engineer whom had just taken over a business from a top motor engineer (whome he had served his time with) Bob Speake of Barrowford( sadly Bob passed away but well known by likes of Gordon at Proflex.) i said to him overhaul the turbo I got an overhaul kit which wasnt costly and let him loose with some guidance . As you said biggest pain is removal and then freeing of the Exhaust Volute etc as tend to bind up. But when I retire. i intend to remove Turbos etc inspect and overhaul then re -install ensuring that next time they come of it,ll be easier.
Thats a fair point actually, when mine were took off i sold them with all the oil lines and drip tanks intact! Cost a few quid to replace that little lot.
Turbocharger oil feed line (x1)........99610721973..........£33.60
Turbocharger oil Feed Line (x1)......99610722073..........£56.40
VENT LINE (x1)...............................99610723974..........£103.20
VENT LINE (x1)...............................99610724072..........£63.60
INTAKE PIPE. TURBO. (x1)............99610732975..........£138.00
AS SUCTION LINE (x1)..................99610733874..........£54.00
CHECK VALVE - (x2).......................99610703078..........£129.60
OIL DRIP RECEIVER......................99610732872..........£96.74
OIL DRIP RECEIVER......................99610732772..........£96.74
Oil Drain Plug - x2............................90021900930..........£6.44
Socket Screw - x6............................90006727102..........£7.09
Shop that stripped them, left the turbo brackets on too, another 60 quid each odd.
Turbocharger oil feed line (x1)........99610721973..........£33.60
Turbocharger oil Feed Line (x1)......99610722073..........£56.40
VENT LINE (x1)...............................99610723974..........£103.20
VENT LINE (x1)...............................99610724072..........£63.60
INTAKE PIPE. TURBO. (x1)............99610732975..........£138.00
AS SUCTION LINE (x1)..................99610733874..........£54.00
CHECK VALVE - (x2).......................99610703078..........£129.60
OIL DRIP RECEIVER......................99610732872..........£96.74
OIL DRIP RECEIVER......................99610732772..........£96.74
Oil Drain Plug - x2............................90021900930..........£6.44
Socket Screw - x6............................90006727102..........£7.09
Shop that stripped them, left the turbo brackets on too, another 60 quid each odd.
ScienceTeacher said:
Just taking the car out of the garage today to drive down to Ken's. Looking OK; I washed it a week ago, but didn't polish it. Overheard a bloke doing some gardening speaking to his mate "That's definitely the car I'd buy if I won the lottery." A pleasing affirmation.
Obviously a man with realistic expectations of Porsche running costs. 
Well Gentlemen, I have just returned from a very positive experience at 9E with my '04 Turbo (78K miles). I had driven it the sum total of 2,600 miles since last January and it has been garaged and only driven in the dry and very sensibly. It went in for a 24K service, MOT, and anything else that needed early attention. Adam is a thorough man and returned with an advisory list of things that needed replacing or fixing. I was provided to start with with a prospective invoice that went into five figures... Nothing was unreasonable, nothing too dramatic; these cars are expensive, as previously hinted at.
I really am actually a Science teacher, and although not skint this blew me out of the water. Ken was very helpful indeed at this point as I ran options by him. He knows me and my expectations and wherewithal and he went out of his way to help. We postponed a number of sensible advisories (rear discs and pads and off side turbo) and he managed to source a decent second hand exhaust from RPM for a very few hundred pounds rather than the ~£2.5-4K I was otherwise up for. I felt a bit down about this - I've never skimped on things before - but on reflection it was a very sensible bet. The servicing charges and labour were extremely reasonable and I am indebted to these guys for celebrating my enthusiasm and helping prolong my ownership of this wonderful car. The final consideration, including a new spare wheel for the big brakes I rashly purchased last year (they are excellent) and a lovely headlamp refurb, and a no-advisory MOT came to less than a third of the original estimate.
I really am actually a Science teacher, and although not skint this blew me out of the water. Ken was very helpful indeed at this point as I ran options by him. He knows me and my expectations and wherewithal and he went out of his way to help. We postponed a number of sensible advisories (rear discs and pads and off side turbo) and he managed to source a decent second hand exhaust from RPM for a very few hundred pounds rather than the ~£2.5-4K I was otherwise up for. I felt a bit down about this - I've never skimped on things before - but on reflection it was a very sensible bet. The servicing charges and labour were extremely reasonable and I am indebted to these guys for celebrating my enthusiasm and helping prolong my ownership of this wonderful car. The final consideration, including a new spare wheel for the big brakes I rashly purchased last year (they are excellent) and a lovely headlamp refurb, and a no-advisory MOT came to less than a third of the original estimate.
ScienceTeacher said:
Well Gentlemen, I have just returned from a very positive experience at 9E with my '04 Turbo (78K miles). I had driven it the sum total of 2,600 miles since last January and it has been garaged and only driven in the dry and very sensibly. It went in for a 24K service, MOT, and anything else that needed early attention. Adam is a thorough man and returned with an advisory list of things that needed replacing or fixing. I was provided to start with with a prospective invoice that went into five figures... Nothing was unreasonable, nothing too dramatic; these cars are expensive, as previously hinted at.
I really am actually a Science teacher, and although not skint this blew me out of the water. Ken was very helpful indeed at this point as I ran options by him. He knows me and my expectations and wherewithal and he went out of his way to help. We postponed a number of sensible advisories (rear discs and pads and off side turbo) and he managed to source a decent second hand exhaust from RPM for a very few hundred pounds rather than the ~£2.5-4K I was otherwise up for. I felt a bit down about this - I've never skimped on things before - but on reflection it was a very sensible bet. The servicing charges and labour were extremely reasonable and I am indebted to these guys for celebrating my enthusiasm and helping prolong my ownership of this wonderful car. The final consideration, including a new spare wheel for the big brakes I rashly purchased last year (they are excellent) and a lovely headlamp refurb, and a no-advisory MOT came to less than a third of the original estimate.
Nice to hear. Ken has always been helpful when I've spoken to him, though he's a bit far for me to travel. Are you still on the standard exhaust? If so I'd have used that as an excuse for something aftermarket and really open up that flat 6!I really am actually a Science teacher, and although not skint this blew me out of the water. Ken was very helpful indeed at this point as I ran options by him. He knows me and my expectations and wherewithal and he went out of his way to help. We postponed a number of sensible advisories (rear discs and pads and off side turbo) and he managed to source a decent second hand exhaust from RPM for a very few hundred pounds rather than the ~£2.5-4K I was otherwise up for. I felt a bit down about this - I've never skimped on things before - but on reflection it was a very sensible bet. The servicing charges and labour were extremely reasonable and I am indebted to these guys for celebrating my enthusiasm and helping prolong my ownership of this wonderful car. The final consideration, including a new spare wheel for the big brakes I rashly purchased last year (they are excellent) and a lovely headlamp refurb, and a no-advisory MOT came to less than a third of the original estimate.
I'm not quite sure where you get these 2 to 3k per year Running Costs.I have had my 996 Turbo since 2013 and apart from the usual servicing it doesn't cost anything like that.These are well made Reliable cars they don't have to have bags of Money constantly thrown at them.I have never had no major Issues with mine.
BLUETHUNDER said:
I'm not quite sure where you get these 2 to 3k per year Running Costs.I have had my 996 Turbo since 2013 and apart from the usual servicing it doesn't cost anything like that.These are well made Reliable cars they don't have to have bags of Money constantly thrown at them.I have never had no major Issues with mine.
What mileage and use? Modified at all?Edited by jimPH on Sunday 18th November 00:55
BLUETHUNDER said:
I'm not quite sure where you get these 2 to 3k per year Running Costs.I have had my 996 Turbo since 2013 and apart from the usual servicing it doesn't cost anything like that.These are well made Reliable cars they don't have to have bags of Money constantly thrown at them.I have never had no major Issues with mine.
Turbos, heat shields, rads, condensers, discs, pads, top mounts, coolant plumbing, exhaust, brake pipes etc. Certainly in the ~4K p/a region. I have owned mine since Feb 2015 and have the invoices. Perhaps a little unlucky?Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff