No more Porsche Diesels

[gtsralph]

Porsche axes all diesel variants from line-up

German manufacturer drops diesel versions of Macan and Panamera, citing a "cultural shift" among customers

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsch...

[Koln-RS]

The big shift is towards Hybrid, especially for the SUV models.

I'll miss the best diesels though - nice growl, loads of low to mid-range torque and excellent mpg..

[Sten.]

Thread on the go already

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I'm actually quite surprised.. well, surprised it's happening so soon. I wonder when other manufacturers will do the same..

[smudger911]

Sten. said:

Thread on the go already

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I'm actually quite surprised.. well, surprised it's happening so soon. I wonder when other manufacturers will do the same..

I'm not tbh. Have run many diesels although there is a ground swell now on how dirty they are, which no doubt means the government will start taxing the living daylights out of anyone with a diesel older than 3 years.
Also the major faff having to keep adding adblue and some manufacturers struggling with DPF and oil dilution issues (Land Rover & Ford to name but two).

[SkinnyPete]

As I said in the other thread, good riddance.

Still can’t believe how many gullible people have bought one up until now, at least now they are protected from their own stupidity.

[Upnorthgt3]

SkinnyPete said:

As I said in the other thread, good riddance.

Still can’t believe how many gullible people have bought one up until now, at least now they are protected from their own stupidity.

Gullible? Explanation please?

[Slippydiff]

Cultural shift ? My arse. More like they're struggling to meet the current emissions regulations (let alone the forthcoming ones) Add in plenty of owners struggling with clogged DPFs on their Macans, and blaming a "cultural shift" is about the best excuse they could have come up with.

[SkinnyPete]

Upnorthgt3 said:

SkinnyPete said:

As I said in the other thread, good riddance.

Still can’t believe how many gullible people have bought one up until now, at least now they are protected from their own stupidity.

Gullible? Explanation please?

So you've got £70k to spend on a large Porsche and you think no I won't have the lovely smooth, fun, exciting petrol model, instead I'll have the slower, noisier, less reliable, less involving, shorter power-band, laggier diesel model instead.

You'll have had to have been fed some spiel to convince yourself the diesel is the better car or the better purchase.

[jh001ace]

SkinnyPete said:

So you've got £70k to spend on a large Porsche and you think no I won't have the lovely smooth, fun, exciting petrol model, instead I'll have the slower, noisier, less reliable, less involving, shorter power-band, laggier diesel model instead.

You'll have had to have been fed some spiel to convince yourself the diesel is the better car or the better purchase.

Have you ever driven a diesel s Cayenne? I do wonder as you comments would not fit in with my view of that car by a long shot. I have a 3.0d Cayenne which is used regularly for long motorway trips to the SofF where I regularly get 33mpg+ cruising at 140kph, would that be possible in a v6 petrol version?

[Upnorthgt3]

jh001ace said:

Have you ever driven a diesel s Cayenne? I do wonder as you comments would not fit in with my view of that car by a long shot. I have a 3.0d Cayenne which is used regularly for long motorway trips to the SofF where I regularly get 33mpg+ cruising at 140kph, would that be possible in a v6 petrol version?

Completely agree - modern multi-cylinder Diesel engines are pretty good in the right type of car - big, auto 4x4s being that type

I tried a Golf GTE the other day and it was pretty good for about 20 miles, then it ran out of charge and turned into a 1.4 ltr petrol which wasn’t as good as the GTD I use as a daily - I hope porsche doesn’t do something similar here!

[DJMC]

jh001ace said:

Have you ever driven a diesel s Cayenne? I do wonder as you comments would not fit in with my view of that car by a long shot. I have a 3.0d Cayenne which is used regularly for long motorway trips to the SofF where I regularly get 33mpg+ cruising at 140kph, would that be possible in a v6 petrol version?

V6 petrol!? In a Porsche? Surely not. Is that the "exciting" petrol engine referred to earlier?

[majordad]

I rate my 2013 Cayenne Diesel as one of my best ever cars, mpg. Not to mention superb comfort.

[SkinnyPete]

jh001ace said:

SkinnyPete said:

So you've got £70k to spend on a large Porsche and you think no I won't have the lovely smooth, fun, exciting petrol model, instead I'll have the slower, noisier, less reliable, less involving, shorter power-band, laggier diesel model instead.

You'll have had to have been fed some spiel to convince yourself the diesel is the better car or the better purchase.

Have you ever driven a diesel s Cayenne? I do wonder as you comments would not fit in with my view of that car by a long shot. I have a 3.0d Cayenne which is used regularly for long motorway trips to the SofF where I regularly get 33mpg+ cruising at 140kph, would that be possible in a v6 petrol version?

How about the Cayenne S TDI sat on my drive way?

The V8 may be smooth but you’ll never get away from the diesel clatter, which is unacceptable in a car of this value.

Worst of all is the lag throughout the drivetrain, not only does the turbo take a while to spool up but then you’ve got to wait for the torque converter to wake up. Both together make for a synergy of ste.

Not to mention the fact I am only averaging 23mpg, may as well have a 4.8 petrol at least then you’d benefit from those sorts of consumption figures.

DJMC said:

jh001ace said:

Have you ever driven a diesel s Cayenne? I do wonder as you comments would not fit in with my view of that car by a long shot. I have a 3.0d Cayenne which is used regularly for long motorway trips to the SofF where I regularly get 33mpg+ cruising at 140kph, would that be possible in a v6 petrol version?

V6 petrol!? In a Porsche? Surely not. Is that the "exciting" petrol engine referred to earlier?

It’s certainly far more exciting than any diesel Cayenne.

https://youtu.be/ll6qTxlnwzA

[catfood12]

majordad said:

I rate my 2013 Cayenne Diesel as one of my best ever cars, mpg. Not to mention superb comfort.

+1 my 2013 Diesel S, 100K miles now and still a great car.

[jh001ace]

SkinnyPete said:

jh001ace said:

SkinnyPete said:

So you've got £70k to spend on a large Porsche and you think no I won't have the lovely smooth, fun, exciting petrol model, instead I'll have the slower, noisier, less reliable, less involving, shorter power-band, laggier diesel model instead.

You'll have had to have been fed some spiel to convince yourself the diesel is the better car or the better purchase.

Have you ever driven a diesel s Cayenne? I do wonder as you comments would not fit in with my view of that car by a long shot. I have a 3.0d Cayenne which is used regularly for long motorway trips to the SofF where I regularly get 33mpg+ cruising at 140kph, would that be possible in a v6 petrol version?

How about the Cayenne S TDI sat on my drive way?

The V8 may be smooth but you’ll never get away from the diesel clatter, which is unacceptable in a car of this value.

Worst of all is the lag throughout the drivetrain, not only does the turbo take a while to spool up but then you’ve got to wait for the torque converter to wake up. Both together make for a synergy of ste.

Not to mention the fact I am only averaging 23mpg, may as well have a 4.8 petrol at least then you’d benefit from those sorts of consumption figures.





If this is your genuine thoughts on the diesel s perhaps now would be great time to offload it, after all it sounds like it’s not the car for you?

[paua]

I don't understand the dogmatic dislike for diesel.. I have ( & need for work} a diesel Landcruiser. I tow a commercial fishing boat. Diesel has a place. Cayenne etc is too small & probably not rugged enough, along with pretty much all similar vehicles. Agree, however, that this car type is not necessary for the inner city school run. Some of us need such vehicles. There is a world beyond the stockbroker belt.Live & let live.

[Geneve]

paua said:

I don't understand the dogmatic dislike for diesel.. I have (
for work} a diesel Landcruiser. I tow a commercial fishing boat. Diesel has a place. Cayenne etc is too small & probably not rugged enough, along with pretty much all similar vehicles. Agree, however, that this car type is not necessary for the inner city school run. Some of us need such vehicles. There is a world beyond the stockbroker belt.Live & let live.

Completely agree, the Diesel engine remains desirable for certain applications, including road cars, and is under continuous development to make it cleaner and more efficient.
The big area where it is growing is in aviation, replacing piston engines and even light turbines. Airbus are developing a diesel helicopter, with a number of potential benefits.
However, I can see manufacturers such as Porsche directing all their products towards hybrid.

[PTT]

"German manufacturer drops diesel versions of Macan and Panamera"

So there will be a Cayenne Diesel

[5to1]

PTT said:

"German manufacturer drops diesel versions of Macan and Panamera"

So there will be a Cayenne Diesel

There was nothing to drop in the case of the Cayenne as they only announced petrols. The diesel you see on the website is a run out platinum edition of the old model.

[GameofCars]

Slippydiff said:

Cultural shift ? My arse. More like they're struggling to meet the current emissions regulations (let alone the forthcoming ones) Add in plenty of owners struggling with clogged DPFs on their Macans, and blaming a "cultural shift" is about the best excuse they could have come up with.

Agree. My business partner just bought an ex-demo F-Pace petrol - the dealer couldn't do enough to give it away.