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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43746174
Hundreds gather outside Alder Hey Hospital where the terminally-ill toddler is being cared for.
Oh God, here we go again.
Hundreds gather outside Alder Hey Hospital where the terminally-ill toddler is being cared for.
Oh God, here we go again.
I can't imagine what its like to lo lose a child, & under these circumstances it must be even more horrific.
However, it seems the parents are being very naively steered up a blind alley & nothing good will come of this. The protesting mob outside the hospital I wager have little knowledge of medicine.
However, it seems the parents are being very naively steered up a blind alley & nothing good will come of this. The protesting mob outside the hospital I wager have little knowledge of medicine.
So wrong and so misinformed.
If this father was in the states at the end of all this not only would he have no son he would also be bankrupt.
The Italians giving false hope are just fuelling this grief.
What the protesters are most wrong for though is lack of consideration for all the other sick people who are getting exceptional care and can well do without this imposition.
If this father was in the states at the end of all this not only would he have no son he would also be bankrupt.
The Italians giving false hope are just fuelling this grief.
What the protesters are most wrong for though is lack of consideration for all the other sick people who are getting exceptional care and can well do without this imposition.
Vizsla said:
Oh God, here we go again.
That was exactly my thought. I think society as a whole is going through some kind of reverse evolution, we have come through the days of amazing scientific and medical discoveries to a place where people now view such things with distain and distrust.The quotes in the news article, if true, are frankly terrifying; talk of murder and such from the parent....
TurbosSuck said:
That was exactly my thought. I think society as a whole is going through some kind of reverse evolution, we have come through the days of amazing scientific and medical discoveries to a place where people now view such things with distain and distrust.
The quotes in the news article, if true, are frankly terrifying; talk of murder and such from the parent....
I worry about this too, there were protests outside the local education offices in my city yesterday because of rumoured school closures. The quotes in the news article, if true, are frankly terrifying; talk of murder and such from the parent....
The boss of the education board was interviewed and said the rumours were just that, spread by social media. The thickos now have a voice and quite frankly its frightening. I'm all for for fairness etc etc but it really is going way too far in my opinion. Life is unfair but being entitled appears to be the norm.
I think the world has gone bloody mad...
Dixy said:
What the protesters are most wrong for though is lack of consideration for all the other sick people who are getting exceptional care and can well do without this imposition.
The police should have been out there removing them from the site. How can anyone think a protesting mob outside a children's hospital is a good idea?Though I guess it's just an extension of the same selfish attitude that they have towards a suffering child.
The internet has alot to answer for with all these armchair experts who know far better than a trained medical professional; you wouldn't tell a pilot how best to fly the plane you are on, however when it comes to medical issues it appears that everyone knows better.
These people that stand outside the hospital waving placards and generally being a nuisance are no better than the idiots who stand outside a court throwing abuse at the prison van when driving away; have you nothing better to do!!
These people that stand outside the hospital waving placards and generally being a nuisance are no better than the idiots who stand outside a court throwing abuse at the prison van when driving away; have you nothing better to do!!
Dixy said:
So wrong and so misinformed.
If this father was in the states at the end of all this not only would he have no son he would also be bankrupt.
The Italians giving false hope are just fuelling this grief.
What the protesters are most wrong for though is lack of consideration for all the other sick people who are getting exceptional care and can well do without this imposition.
This case is slightly different to the previous Gard case.If this father was in the states at the end of all this not only would he have no son he would also be bankrupt.
The Italians giving false hope are just fuelling this grief.
What the protesters are most wrong for though is lack of consideration for all the other sick people who are getting exceptional care and can well do without this imposition.
In the Charlie Gard case, there was a US doctor who appeared to be giving out inappropriate hope. In this case, all the doctors involved, including the Italians and Germans have said that they believe that the condition is progressive and terminal. Indeed the judge started his summing up of the parent's argument saying "F's [the father] case is not entirely easy to state."
Indeed, the Italians have said that while they would be prepared to have Alfie at their units, the trip would be difficult and could cause further deterioration, they do not have any new treatment to offer, but would repeat the tests which have already been done, in the slim chance that something had been missed.
The Germans have said something similar, which is that they would have Alfie for 2 weeks and repeat the tests already done (at a cost of €65k). They would then assist the family in finding a suitable hospice capable of managing Alfie's extremely delicate condition.
I'd suggest reading the judgement as this says things better than I can paraphrase them:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
Rovinghawk said:
The kindest thing for the lad would be an injection of something to pleasantly drift him off to sleep, never to awaken.
Some people would say that makes me a monster but I'd do it for a dog & don't think a human deserves any less.
I have to agree.Some people would say that makes me a monster but I'd do it for a dog & don't think a human deserves any less.
In fact i even have a legal document that goes as far as the law will currently allow me to go in making such decisions.
It is just a shame that some of those with responsibility for Alfie refuse to accept what is in his best interests.
Personally i find it hard to think of something more selfish and disgusting than unnecessarily prolonging the pain and/or suffering of someone whose awareness of life and future condition is less than that of your average 2 day old baby, and never, ever, will be.
Alder hey should be rubbing their hands in glee that the circus was willing to move to another hospital.
I was fortunate enough to have Alder hey care for my son in the teenage cancer ward and you just can’t fault the staff, care or treatment. They had every medical and other facility a teenager would want along with their own chef who didn’t put on a menu and just come down and asked the kids what they wanted. If they had it or could get it then it was made.
You can see where NHS cash is spent and it’s spent wisely in that area.
The family have gone about it the wrong way but it’s up to them if they want to remove him from the hospitals care and in to another I guess but the courts will probably disagree.
I was fortunate enough to have Alder hey care for my son in the teenage cancer ward and you just can’t fault the staff, care or treatment. They had every medical and other facility a teenager would want along with their own chef who didn’t put on a menu and just come down and asked the kids what they wanted. If they had it or could get it then it was made.
You can see where NHS cash is spent and it’s spent wisely in that area.
The family have gone about it the wrong way but it’s up to them if they want to remove him from the hospitals care and in to another I guess but the courts will probably disagree.
Faz50 said:
The family have gone about it the wrong way but it’s up to them if they want to remove him from the hospitals care and in to another I guess but the courts will probably disagree.
Forgetting about this particular case, if medical experts said such a move would cause pain and distress to the patient with no tangible benefit, would parents still have the right to move the patient?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff