Stephen Lawrence Day
Discussion
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/23/pr...
Seems quite fitting given the anniversary and the dignity with which his parents have acted.
Seems quite fitting given the anniversary and the dignity with which his parents have acted.
poo at Paul's said:
ape x said:
Lol....you can try.
Try what? I'm not sure there is anything to "LOL" about to be honest. Along with Hillsborough, one of the most shameful episodes in British Police history, IMHO and I believe the OP's comment to be entirely reasonable.
In any case what’s going to happen every year? I can’t see it’ll make much difference to most.
My other half met Doreen Lawrence when she taught in prison.
Pretty amazing woman apparently. Apparently her attitude to the lads (high proportion of minorities) was one very much of talking about the problems around race and deprivation etc - but also (paraphrasing here) - you lads being dick heads and getting yourselves locked up isn’t helping us address the problem either.
I’m told she was very balanced and looked at it from both sides
Pretty amazing woman apparently. Apparently her attitude to the lads (high proportion of minorities) was one very much of talking about the problems around race and deprivation etc - but also (paraphrasing here) - you lads being dick heads and getting yourselves locked up isn’t helping us address the problem either.
I’m told she was very balanced and looked at it from both sides
tangerine_sedge said:
powerstroke said:
Why does Mrs May hate the police so much???
I think it's only the corrupt ones that she doesn't like.
t at it as possible to cover up the massive cuts she inflicted and refuses to take any responsibility for. A staggering story, for plenty of reasons.
I will support the police in one area, initially there was not enough evidence, that was clear, but what came out later is the corruption of Norris Sr and a top investigator, all sorts of issues that mean the plod were just useless in this case. This suggest the lack of evidence was perhaps being hampered from the start.
Everyone knew these scum were responsible, you could see it in their manner, the video, and also were likely responsible for other murders before.
The police liaison stuff was simply breathtaking, taking in a pair of gloves to the family days after the murder, I mean for Gods sake that is utterly bewildering. But clearly part of a plan to portray Lawrence as a thief and his friend.
The DCI who took it all on eventually? Amazing and when you hear he was initially told to burn the case files when the Plod shop was being closed you understand what the attitude was to Stephens case.
The Acourts and one other are still out there, living their lives, and I would think Dobson and Norris are likely to be released soon.
But thankfully it seems both parents have found a little peace.
I will support the police in one area, initially there was not enough evidence, that was clear, but what came out later is the corruption of Norris Sr and a top investigator, all sorts of issues that mean the plod were just useless in this case. This suggest the lack of evidence was perhaps being hampered from the start.
Everyone knew these scum were responsible, you could see it in their manner, the video, and also were likely responsible for other murders before.
The police liaison stuff was simply breathtaking, taking in a pair of gloves to the family days after the murder, I mean for Gods sake that is utterly bewildering. But clearly part of a plan to portray Lawrence as a thief and his friend.
The DCI who took it all on eventually? Amazing and when you hear he was initially told to burn the case files when the Plod shop was being closed you understand what the attitude was to Stephens case.
The Acourts and one other are still out there, living their lives, and I would think Dobson and Norris are likely to be released soon.
But thankfully it seems both parents have found a little peace.
poo at Paul's said:
ape x said:
Lol....you can try.
Try what? I'm not sure there is anything to "LOL" about to be honest. Along with Hillsborough, one of the most shameful episodes in British Police history, IMHO and I believe the OP's comment to be entirely reasonable.
If this happened yesterday there would be a thread running about "promising footballer" and "most likely in a gang or out robbing"....
loose cannon said:
It does get a bit tedious though when you put on the news and every day since the poor lad was murderd we have to hear about it again and again and again I’m sick of hearing about it tbh,
Same as Grenfell tower so now I don’t watch London news anymore it gets turned over or off
I tend to agree.Same as Grenfell tower so now I don’t watch London news anymore it gets turned over or off
Well I’m sorry but I don’t give a st what colour he was there were lots of people got murderd that year, a young girl I knew was murderd in the early 90’s savagely mutilated by a girl of 13 and somebody else that they never caught, though they probably no who it was, but I don’t see it on the news everyday for 20 odd years,
Cut some slack lol no thanks
t what colour he was there were lots of people got murderd that year, a young girl I knew was murderd in the early 90’s savagely mutilated by a girl of 13 and somebody else that they never caught, though they probably no who it was, but I don’t see it on the news everyday for 20 odd years, Cut some slack lol no thanks
loose cannon said:
Well I’m sorry but I don’t give a st what colour he was there were lots of people got murderd that year, a young girl I knew was murderd in the early 90’s savagely by a girl of 13 and somebody else that they never caught, though they probably no who it was, but I don’t see it on the news everyday for 20 odd years,
Cut some slack lol no thanks
Sorry to hear that.t what colour he was there were lots of people got murderd that year, a young girl I knew was murderd in the early 90’s savagely by a girl of 13 and somebody else that they never caught, though they probably no who it was, but I don’t see it on the news everyday for 20 odd years, Cut some slack lol no thanks
But this is the point, the pressure and relentless fight from Stephens parents / solicitor etc etc made sure this could not be simply swept under the rug...as much as the police tried...good on them.
If you honestly think hiding away in private grief would of meant we got the truth out there you are misguided.. that is what they want you to do..same with Hillsborough....
We should respect people that fight injustice and part of that is being very noisy and keeping it in the news at every chance...
Stephens parent made a choice and a choice which eventually split them apart as i think his Dad would of been happy to simply go off and grieve in Jamaica.... but you have to sacrifice a lot to dig in and fight the system....
loose cannon said:
Well I’m sorry but I don’t give a st what colour he was there were lots of people got murderd that year, a young girl I knew was murderd in the early 90’s savagely mutilated by a girl of 13 and somebody else that they never caught, though they probably no who it was, but I don’t see it on the news everyday for 20 odd years,
Cut some slack lol no thanks
It was a shocking case of not only a racist murder, but a racist police force that did not want to investigate it and bring those responsible to justice. In the sad case you brought up, you mention that someone was convicted, suggesting the Police at least attempted to investigate properly. t what colour he was there were lots of people got murderd that year, a young girl I knew was murderd in the early 90’s savagely mutilated by a girl of 13 and somebody else that they never caught, though they probably no who it was, but I don’t see it on the news everyday for 20 odd years, Cut some slack lol no thanks
The question is; what is true irritation at seeing this (and Grenfell) on the news. A challenge to a firmly held belief that British institutions are infalliable? A challenge to firmly held beliefs that this is no social injustice in Britain?
i Lost my dad he died at work when I was 14 nobody found him for hours could of been saved should of been somebody there. My uncle bill got aspestosis couldn’t cope with it so got my other uncle helped him to the railway track as he couldnt do it on his own and yes the train ran him over, I can’t even fathom how he could of lied there waiting, then the next year my uncle mick his younger brother who helped him decided it was all to much and did the same in the same spot , so I no All about grief
And the only way to combat grief is to get on with your life not to keep dwelling on the past
Steven ain’t coming back neither are any of those from hillsborough it’s time to move on and look to the future
My dad ain’t coming back he never taught me to drive, I can’t go fishing with him anymore, I can’t look over my shoulder and see him being proud of me, life is one kick in the teeth after another
It’s the same for all of us
And the only way to combat grief is to get on with your life not to keep dwelling on the past
Steven ain’t coming back neither are any of those from hillsborough it’s time to move on and look to the future
My dad ain’t coming back he never taught me to drive, I can’t go fishing with him anymore, I can’t look over my shoulder and see him being proud of me, life is one kick in the teeth after another
It’s the same for all of us
loose cannon said:
i Lost my dad he died at work when I was 14 nobody found him for hours could of been saved should of been somebody there. My uncle bill got aspestosis couldn’t cope with it so got my other uncle helped him to the railway track as he couldnt do it on his own and yes the train ran him over, I can’t even fathom how he could of lied there waiting, then the next year my uncle mick his younger brother who helped him decided it was all to much and did the same in the same spot , so I no All about grief
And the only way to combat grief is to get on with your life not to keep dwelling on the past
Steven ain’t coming back neither are any of those from hillsborough it’s time to move on and look to the future
My dad ain’t coming back he never taught me to drive, I can’t go fishing with him anymore, I can’t look over my shoulder and see him being proud of me, life is one kick in the teeth after another
It’s the same for all of us
You are missing the point here. The police covered stuff up s they were in the pocket of a big time gangster...that sAnd the only way to combat grief is to get on with your life not to keep dwelling on the past
Steven ain’t coming back neither are any of those from hillsborough it’s time to move on and look to the future
My dad ain’t coming back he never taught me to drive, I can’t go fishing with him anymore, I can’t look over my shoulder and see him being proud of me, life is one kick in the teeth after another
It’s the same for all of us
t needs exposing mate, for all of us. Had Stephen of been white the result still would of been the police covering up for a gangsters lad.
If our police can be paid to cover stuff up by gangsters then it is a big deal.....it goes way beyond someone dying...
How untouchable this gangster was is mental....
loose cannon said:
i Lost my dad he died at work when I was 14 nobody found him for hours could of been saved should of been somebody there. My uncle bill got aspestosis couldn’t cope with it so got my other uncle helped him to the railway track as he couldnt do it on his own and yes the train ran him over, I can’t even fathom how he could of lied there waiting, then the next year my uncle mick his younger brother who helped him decided it was all to much and did the same in the same spot , so I no All about grief
And the only way to combat grief is to get on with your life not to keep dwelling on the past
Steven ain’t coming back neither are any of those from hillsborough it’s time to move on and look to the future
My dad ain’t coming back he never taught me to drive, I can’t go fishing with him anymore, I can’t look over my shoulder and see him being proud of me, life is one kick in the teeth after another
It’s the same for all of us
I am sorry for your loss, as you say its the same for all of us. And the only way to combat grief is to get on with your life not to keep dwelling on the past
Steven ain’t coming back neither are any of those from hillsborough it’s time to move on and look to the future
My dad ain’t coming back he never taught me to drive, I can’t go fishing with him anymore, I can’t look over my shoulder and see him being proud of me, life is one kick in the teeth after another
It’s the same for all of us
However, You're missing the point entirely.
Mrs Lawrence, the Hillsborough survivors and victims families, The Grenfell survivors and victims familes are not looking for someone to bring back their loved ones.
They're fighting social injustice. To ensure that people in positions of power and authority do not get to be corrupt or racist, or make incompetent or dangerous decisions and cover them up.
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