POA Winds me up
Discussion
Always makes me suspicious and annoys me why oh why ??
https://www.paul-stephens.com/prestige-cars/Porsch...
https://www.paul-stephens.com/prestige-cars/Porsch...
The price could vary, it might be 50k for example this week, but next month, it might be £52k, as the market might strengthen. The last thing you want is someone that’s thinking about it being put off by you altering the price upwards.
Car like that might be in stock 12 months before it sells. Price might go up, and probably would, on a car like that.
Car like that might be in stock 12 months before it sells. Price might go up, and probably would, on a car like that.
SRT Hellcat said:
Because it is on sale or return and the owner does not know the asking price.
Yes, I've sold before on a SOR model where the dealer wanted to know 'how much I wanted back' and then the rest becomes a mystery due to POA. In this case after 2-3 weeks the dealer asked me to lower my return a little to help a sale. I obliged. But later down the line found out (when I met the buyer) that he had also increased his asking price to buyer therefore making £20k on a SOR sale with zero capital invested. This is a well known high end dealership....so POA can be to hide the deal from the owner of the car.
(of course, there are other reasons too...like say a 991.2GT3RS which the dealer does not actually have at all but is putting out a fake advert to ascertain where the market is or secure strong interest to then take to a potential owner, etc)
Edited by LaSource on Thursday 24th May 23:41
LaSource said:
Yes, I've sold before on a SOR model where the dealer wanted to know 'how much I wanted back' and then the rest becomes a mystery due to POA. In this case after 2-3 weeks the dealer asked me to lower my return a little to help a sale. I obliged. But later down the line found out (when I met the buyer) that he had also increased his asking price to buyer therefore making £20k on a SOR sale with zero capital invested. This is a well known high end dealership.
...so POA can be to hide the deal from the owner of the car.
(of course, there are other reasons too...like say a 991.2GT3RS which the dealer does not actually have at all but is putting out a fake advert to ascertain where the market is or secure strong interest to then take to a potential owner, etc)
I suppose as the seller providing you get the net price you were after then al is good . ...so POA can be to hide the deal from the owner of the car.
(of course, there are other reasons too...like say a 991.2GT3RS which the dealer does not actually have at all but is putting out a fake advert to ascertain where the market is or secure strong interest to then take to a potential owner, etc)
Edited by LaSource on Thursday 24th May 23:41
From a buyers perspective I find it off putting and then tend to move on .
Afaik JZM always advertise the price of their cars
I don't get POA.
1) It's annoying for buyers
2) You have to pick up the phone to find the price
3) It makes the deal feel shifty
I usually take the view POA means if you have to ask you can't afford it and it's usually saved for 'very special cars'.
Better to set a fair price. This can always be moved up or down if the market shifts.
1) It's annoying for buyers
2) You have to pick up the phone to find the price
3) It makes the deal feel shifty
I usually take the view POA means if you have to ask you can't afford it and it's usually saved for 'very special cars'.
Better to set a fair price. This can always be moved up or down if the market shifts.
g7jhp said:
I don't get POA.
1) It's annoying for buyers
2) You have to pick up the phone to find the price
3) It makes the deal feel shifty
I usually take the view POA means if you have to ask you can't afford it and it's usually saved for 'very special cars'.
Better to set a fair price. This can always be moved up or down if the market shifts.
Yes my sentiments entirely.1) It's annoying for buyers
2) You have to pick up the phone to find the price
3) It makes the deal feel shifty
I usually take the view POA means if you have to ask you can't afford it and it's usually saved for 'very special cars'.
Better to set a fair price. This can always be moved up or down if the market shifts.
If its out of my price range i want to know without wasting the traders time or that of my own.
I'd rather know i cant afford it from the outset!
FocusRS3 said:
I suppose as the seller providing you get the net price you were after then al is good .
From a buyers perspective I find it off putting and then tend to move on .
Afaik JZM always advertise the price of their cars
That depends on whether the seller is a 'I want £77k back, don't care how much you sell it for' kind of person. This works with relatively transparent markets where there are lots of examples for sale (eg a high spec GT4 with a £85k retail value). We all know where the market is and whether the dealer makes £5k or £7k is up to him.From a buyers perspective I find it off putting and then tend to move on .
Afaik JZM always advertise the price of their cars
However if you are selling a car that is in a more opaque market - say a CGT or a 4.0RS - then you may also be using the dealer to help identify where the market is (eg is a low mileage LHD 4.0RS £275k, £295k, or £329k?). Personally I would expect the dealer to make a commiserate amount to do with the positioning of that car in the market and help achieve a good return for the seller....and not 'I'll return you £275k and the rest is mine wherever that ends up being'. But perhaps there are some people who will be happy with that too.
FocusRS3 said:
I suppose as the seller providing you get the net price you were after then al is good .
I thought most SOR is on a flat fee or fixed % basis, the garage is supposed to be earning their fee by advertising and selling effectively. I would be agreeing in advance that the signed sales contract would be provided so I can check they are being honest (although even that could be faked I guess, maybe ask for buyers phone number but that might seem odd to buyer) FocusRS3 said:
Always makes me suspicious and annoys me why oh why ??
https://www.paul-stephens.com/prestige-cars/Porsch...
lovely looking thing though - slightly suspicious 7 year service gap when car only did 1k miles https://www.paul-stephens.com/prestige-cars/Porsch...
Adam B said:
I thought most SOR is on a flat fee or fixed % basis, the garage is supposed to be earning their fee by advertising and selling effectively. I would be agreeing in advance that the signed sales contract would be provided so I can check they are being honest (although even that could be faked I guess, maybe ask for buyers phone number but that might seem odd to buyer)
I think that's right it should be on an agreed percentage and i know that's what JZM do and in my experience they very much play by the rules. Cant vouch for others though.The excuse of Data Protection would prevent some from handing over the buyers details i'd imagine
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