Porsche 993/964 historic prices
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v8ksn said:
Thanks for your replies guys.
There are a lot of cars out there that have had no work on them and the sellers want the moon on a stick for them. I'm leaning towards buying a battered old original numbers-matching 993 or 964 and spending ££££ on it to get the car I want.
It's probably the most expensive route but i'm sure it will be more fun and rewarding.
C2 manual in MBM with classic grey interior and earlier sport seats. Bought mine for £18K with 112K miles on her 03/2012. Now covered 148K miles ...... just came back from a road trip to Italy covering 2.5K miles in a week (2 x 1200 miles over two days each way)There are a lot of cars out there that have had no work on them and the sellers want the moon on a stick for them. I'm leaning towards buying a battered old original numbers-matching 993 or 964 and spending ££££ on it to get the car I want.
It's probably the most expensive route but i'm sure it will be more fun and rewarding.
Didn’t miss a beat the whole trip and didn’t use any oil either.
I’ve spent an absolute fortune on her, a large chunk of this was on a complete (absolutely everything) suspension rebuild which was circa £8K; replacement of all rear heat shields where required and exhaust brackets and bumper brackets circa £3K.
RS quick shift, RS steering wheel.
££££££££s on lots of other things. Full OPC history. Everything has been done that required it plus loads more as preventative measures.
Id not let her go for less than £40K. ....... though I doubt I’d have made much of a profit in her if I did.
Saying that, I’ve loved every minute of ownership
Don't really want to dwell too much on what I paid for some of my 911's. Suffice to say some are worth a little more than what I sold them for a while back.
By the way nice plate IMI A.
v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget.
It will pay dividends in the end.
As for prices.
To repaint a 911 without any metal work one well known specialist would charge £15K plus vat.
By the way nice plate IMI A.
v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget.
It will pay dividends in the end.
As for prices.
To repaint a 911 without any metal work one well known specialist would charge £15K plus vat.
IMI A said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
IMI A said:
The asking price for the C2S is £125K SRT Hellcat said:
v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget. It will pay dividends in the end.
I agree. My dad always used to say "Buy cheap, buy twice"Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget. It will pay dividends in the end.
Are there any mileage triggers on these cars where things will have to be replaced just because they are worn out?
Should I expect and budget for new springs, shocks, wishbones and bush's on a car with 80K?
v8ksn said:
SRT Hellcat said:
v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget. It will pay dividends in the end.
I agree. My dad always used to say "Buy cheap, buy twice"Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget. It will pay dividends in the end.
Are there any mileage triggers on these cars where things will have to be replaced just because they are worn out?
Should I expect and budget for new springs, shocks, wishbones and bush's on a car with 80K?
Problem was that I spent so much time odometer watching that it took the fun out of the cars ......... hence why I wanted and bought a 100k plus 993.
When center gravity set up my suspension, Chris praised the condition of my high mileage 993. He’d seen half the mileage cars in far worse condition.
So basically what I am saying is this. Pay an excesss for lower mileage cars, but this does not mean they will be any better.
I’d always and will always argue that a detailed history of work to keep these cars up together is far more important than the mileage shown on the odometer.
Saying that, some just pay over the odds for a lower mileage 993 for bragging rights
Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 21st August 23:50
MDL111 said:
IMI A said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
I spoke to the vendors. Its an old cup car re-shelled with a C2S shell and with 9m top spec engine. Bit too much as you can have a matching numbers low miles 993 RS for this. To be fair won't go round a track like that thing mind and thats the point its possible to build a car nowadays with modern tech which will outperform an RS. Some will call this RSR a fake but I think its a work of art.
v8ksn said:
IMI A said:
The asking price for the C2S is £125K is worth stratospheric price so you feel guilty piling on the miles. This is what I found with low miles time warp examples. Their value is in them being garage queens. I was delighted when I found out the yellow 9m 993 had covered 90,000 miles. It was rebuilt out of a good full history rust free car at around 75,000 miles. The issue for me is I'm working overseas so still will hardly use it
IMI A said:
MDL111 said:
IMI A said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
I spoke to the vendors. Its an old cup car re-shelled with a C2S shell and with 9m top spec engine. Bit too much as you can have a matching numbers low miles 993 RS for this. To be fair won't go round a track like that thing mind and thats the point its possible to build a car nowadays with modern tech which will outperform an RS. Some will call this RSR a fake but I think its a work of art.
Where has 1 of 7 clubsports come from in the grand description.
IMI A said:
A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles
In 2010 they were around £35k for same car
I'd disagree with that. I bought my '97 993 carrera4, full service history in speed yellow with RS bodykit from factory for £21.5k in 2010. This was a cherished low owner car (one previous was a PH'r) that was absolutely mint-not a hint of rust and zero oil leaks-a great car. Around 70k miles iirc. I bought it privately.In 2010 they were around £35k for same car
18 months or so later I sold it (again privately) for £27.5k-I think? It may have been £26.5k and I netted another grand for the spare set of RS alloys I had.
Anyway, it was something around there, I'd rebuilt the suspension using bits I'd picked up at Gert's on the way back from the 'ring and had it set up to RS ride height and properly set up so it was a beautiful car with getting on for 80k miles on it.
Prices were already rising by then and I do recall a lot of posters commenting my asking price was purely speculative, which it was a bit I suppose. It was very expensive for a private sale but you try finding another in that condition, there were as I recall the usual dealers that had stock that didn't move at around £30k but still a healthy 993 market at the low £20k's.
As it happened, it never even saw the market, a poster PM'd me and spent around 6 hours inspecting it and found nothing wrong-he bought it that day.
Wish I hadn't sold it!
Yellow491 said:
IMI A said:
MDL111 said:
IMI A said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Completely different but I love both of these.
I spoke to the vendors. Its an old cup car re-shelled with a C2S shell and with 9m top spec engine. Bit too much as you can have a matching numbers low miles 993 RS for this. To be fair won't go round a track like that thing mind and thats the point its possible to build a car nowadays with modern tech which will outperform an RS. Some will call this RSR a fake but I think its a work of art.
Where has 1 of 7 clubsports come from in the grand description.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
IMI A said:
A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles
In 2010 they were around £35k for same car
I'd disagree with that. I bought my '97 993 carrera4, full service history in speed yellow with RS bodykit from factory for £21.5k in 2010. This was a cherished low owner car (one previous was a PH'r) that was absolutely mint-not a hint of rust and zero oil leaks-a great car. Around 70k miles iirc. I bought it privately.In 2010 they were around £35k for same car
18 months or so later I sold it (again privately) for £27.5k-I think? It may have been £26.5k and I netted another grand for the spare set of RS alloys I had.
Anyway, it was something around there, I'd rebuilt the suspension using bits I'd picked up at Gert's on the way back from the 'ring and had it set up to RS ride height and properly set up so it was a beautiful car with getting on for 80k miles on it.
Prices were already rising by then and I do recall a lot of posters commenting my asking price was purely speculative, which it was a bit I suppose. It was very expensive for a private sale but you try finding another in that condition, there were as I recall the usual dealers that had stock that didn't move at around £30k but still a healthy 993 market at the low £20k's.
As it happened, it never even saw the market, a poster PM'd me and spent around 6 hours inspecting it and found nothing wrong-he bought it that day.
Wish I hadn't sold it!
In 2013 993 C4S with 64k miles for £35k from a recognized Indy.
Att he time prices had just started to rise, I had lost out on two wide bodied cars which had sold to dealer for more than asking price !
I had spent 6 months looking at 993’s and the market was pretty stable then with like for like wide bodied cars +£10k on narrow bodied cars with turbo’s c£15k more again ie £20-£25k for a decent narrow body, £35k for a wide body, £50k for a turbo and can;t remember RS prices.
Prices went up quickly from Q2 2013
I’ve spent c£15k on mine in 5 years but £10k of that was on “nice to do/ personal preference” eg £3.5 for sports seats, £1,000 for a handbrake lever lol ie I could get most of that money back (and probably a bit more) if I wanted.
Annual costs are <£1,000 pa including insurance
You can spend as much as you want on these cars but if you but a sound one, spend a few grand on a suspension refresh / setup you don;t need to go crazy.
£15k+ for a respray is pants down money at some well known “specialist” (near me lol), you can get good bare metal resprays for half of that easily.
Att he time prices had just started to rise, I had lost out on two wide bodied cars which had sold to dealer for more than asking price !
I had spent 6 months looking at 993’s and the market was pretty stable then with like for like wide bodied cars +£10k on narrow bodied cars with turbo’s c£15k more again ie £20-£25k for a decent narrow body, £35k for a wide body, £50k for a turbo and can;t remember RS prices.
Prices went up quickly from Q2 2013
I’ve spent c£15k on mine in 5 years but £10k of that was on “nice to do/ personal preference” eg £3.5 for sports seats, £1,000 for a handbrake lever lol ie I could get most of that money back (and probably a bit more) if I wanted.
Annual costs are <£1,000 pa including insurance
You can spend as much as you want on these cars but if you but a sound one, spend a few grand on a suspension refresh / setup you don;t need to go crazy.
£15k+ for a respray is pants down money at some well known “specialist” (near me lol), you can get good bare metal resprays for half of that easily.
Edited by jonttt on Wednesday 22 August 09:05
It's quite difficult to figure out which car is worth time and effort to go and see........ but sometimes its easy to dismiss a car...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
v8ksn said:
It's quite difficult to figure out which car is worth time and effort to go and see........ but sometimes its easy to dismiss a car...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Lol they have had that car for sale for at least 5 years I think. I remember it being up in 2013 when I was looking. They have always asked above market and its a cat D with the worst dealer prep of a car I have ever seen. I think if I remember correctly there was a big question mark over the mileage as well ;-)https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
I always put the car down as being in daily use (to explain the lack of prep) and chancer pricing. Good to see they still have it lol
Edited by jonttt on Wednesday 22 August 09:20
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