Porsche 993/964 historic prices

Porsche 993/964 historic prices

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kevs 172

344 posts

188 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Personally I would go for a higher mileage very well looked after car.Use it and enjoy it.

Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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v8ksn said:
Thanks for your replies guys.

There are a lot of cars out there that have had no work on them and the sellers want the moon on a stick for them. I'm leaning towards buying a battered old original numbers-matching 993 or 964 and spending ££££ on it to get the car I want.

It's probably the most expensive route but i'm sure it will be more fun and rewarding.
C2 manual in MBM with classic grey interior and earlier sport seats. Bought mine for £18K with 112K miles on her 03/2012. Now covered 148K miles ...... just came back from a road trip to Italy covering 2.5K miles in a week (2 x 1200 miles over two days each way)
Didn’t miss a beat the whole trip and didn’t use any oil either.
I’ve spent an absolute fortune on her, a large chunk of this was on a complete (absolutely everything) suspension rebuild which was circa £8K; replacement of all rear heat shields where required and exhaust brackets and bumper brackets circa £3K.
RS quick shift, RS steering wheel.
££££££££s on lots of other things. Full OPC history. Everything has been done that required it plus loads more as preventative measures.
Id not let her go for less than £40K. ....... though I doubt I’d have made much of a profit in her if I did.
Saying that, I’ve loved every minute of ownership biggrin

theRossatron

1,028 posts

231 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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Paid £14.5k for my 85,000ish mile 993 in 2008. A friend of mine later bought it back two owners later at neary £40k last year.

SRT Hellcat

7,017 posts

216 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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Don't really want to dwell too much on what I paid for some of my 911's. Suffice to say some are worth a little more than what I sold them for a while back.
By the way nice plate IMI A.
v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget.
It will pay dividends in the end.
As for prices.
To repaint a 911 without any metal work one well known specialist would charge £15K plus vat.

MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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IMI A said:
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)

v8ksn

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4,711 posts

183 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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IMI A said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Completely different but I love both of these.
The asking price for the C2S is £125K yikes

v8ksn

Original Poster:

4,711 posts

183 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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SRT Hellcat said:
v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget. It will pay dividends in the end.
I agree. My dad always used to say "Buy cheap, buy twice"

Are there any mileage triggers on these cars where things will have to be replaced just because they are worn out?

Should I expect and budget for new springs, shocks, wishbones and bush's on a car with 80K?

Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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v8ksn said:
SRT Hellcat said:
v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget. It will pay dividends in the end.
I agree. My dad always used to say "Buy cheap, buy twice"

Are there any mileage triggers on these cars where things will have to be replaced just because they are worn out?

Should I expect and budget for new springs, shocks, wishbones and bush's on a car with 80K?
I owned three aircooled 911s before I bought my 993 and each was low mileage.

Problem was that I spent so much time odometer watching that it took the fun out of the cars ......... hence why I wanted and bought a 100k plus 993.

When center gravity set up my suspension, Chris praised the condition of my high mileage 993. He’d seen half the mileage cars in far worse condition.

So basically what I am saying is this. Pay an excesss for lower mileage cars, but this does not mean they will be any better.

I’d always and will always argue that a detailed history of work to keep these cars up together is far more important than the mileage shown on the odometer.

Saying that, some just pay over the odds for a lower mileage 993 for bragging rights

Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 21st August 23:50

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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MDL111 said:
IMI A said:
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)
£250k

I spoke to the vendors. Its an old cup car re-shelled with a C2S shell and with 9m top spec engine. Bit too much as you can have a matching numbers low miles 993 RS for this. To be fair won't go round a track like that thing mind and thats the point its possible to build a car nowadays with modern tech which will outperform an RS. Some will call this RSR a fake but I think its a work of art.

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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v8ksn said:
IMI A said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Completely different but I love both of these.
The asking price for the C2S is £125K yikes
Sages will say this is the sort of car you should buy and they're right to an extent. The issue though is even a lowish miles C2s let alone an RS
is worth stratospheric price so you feel guilty piling on the miles. This is what I found with low miles time warp examples. Their value is in them being garage queens. I was delighted when I found out the yellow 9m 993 had covered 90,000 miles. It was rebuilt out of a good full history rust free car at around 75,000 miles. The issue for me is I'm working overseas so still will hardly use it cry

Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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IMI A said:
MDL111 said:
IMI A said:
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)
£250k

I spoke to the vendors. Its an old cup car re-shelled with a C2S shell and with 9m top spec engine. Bit too much as you can have a matching numbers low miles 993 RS for this. To be fair won't go round a track like that thing mind and thats the point its possible to build a car nowadays with modern tech which will outperform an RS. Some will call this RSR a fake but I think its a work of art.
So what is this car now,what has cup and rs got to do with it,its a amazing build done to a great standard,but motorsport rsr shells were narrow bodied apart from two very special rsr.It would no doubt cost a lot more than 250k to build today.
Where has 1 of 7 clubsports come from in the grand description.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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IMI A said:
A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car
I'd disagree with that. I bought my '97 993 carrera4, full service history in speed yellow with RS bodykit from factory for £21.5k in 2010. This was a cherished low owner car (one previous was a PH'r) that was absolutely mint-not a hint of rust and zero oil leaks-a great car. Around 70k miles iirc. I bought it privately.

18 months or so later I sold it (again privately) for £27.5k-I think? It may have been £26.5k and I netted another grand for the spare set of RS alloys I had.

Anyway, it was something around there, I'd rebuilt the suspension using bits I'd picked up at Gert's on the way back from the 'ring and had it set up to RS ride height and properly set up so it was a beautiful car with getting on for 80k miles on it.

Prices were already rising by then and I do recall a lot of posters commenting my asking price was purely speculative, which it was a bit I suppose. It was very expensive for a private sale but you try finding another in that condition, there were as I recall the usual dealers that had stock that didn't move at around £30k but still a healthy 993 market at the low £20k's.

As it happened, it never even saw the market, a poster PM'd me and spent around 6 hours inspecting it and found nothing wrong-he bought it that day.

Wish I hadn't sold it!




IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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Yellow491 said:
IMI A said:
MDL111 said:
IMI A said:
Would love that 9m car - wonder how much that costs (much too much for me I suspect)
£250k

I spoke to the vendors. Its an old cup car re-shelled with a C2S shell and with 9m top spec engine. Bit too much as you can have a matching numbers low miles 993 RS for this. To be fair won't go round a track like that thing mind and thats the point its possible to build a car nowadays with modern tech which will outperform an RS. Some will call this RSR a fake but I think its a work of art.
So what is this car now,what has cup and rs got to do with it,its a amazing build done to a great standard,but motorsport rsr shells were narrow bodied apart from two very special rsr.It would no doubt cost a lot more than 250k to build today.
Where has 1 of 7 clubsports come from in the grand description.
Sorry yes its was an original clubsport not cup chassis - my bad. The C2s shell was modified and and fitted to the original clubsport chassis. All components were replaced and entire car nut and bolt restoration

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
IMI A said:
A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car
I'd disagree with that. I bought my '97 993 carrera4, full service history in speed yellow with RS bodykit from factory for £21.5k in 2010. This was a cherished low owner car (one previous was a PH'r) that was absolutely mint-not a hint of rust and zero oil leaks-a great car. Around 70k miles iirc. I bought it privately.

18 months or so later I sold it (again privately) for £27.5k-I think? It may have been £26.5k and I netted another grand for the spare set of RS alloys I had.

Anyway, it was something around there, I'd rebuilt the suspension using bits I'd picked up at Gert's on the way back from the 'ring and had it set up to RS ride height and properly set up so it was a beautiful car with getting on for 80k miles on it.

Prices were already rising by then and I do recall a lot of posters commenting my asking price was purely speculative, which it was a bit I suppose. It was very expensive for a private sale but you try finding another in that condition, there were as I recall the usual dealers that had stock that didn't move at around £30k but still a healthy 993 market at the low £20k's.

As it happened, it never even saw the market, a poster PM'd me and spent around 6 hours inspecting it and found nothing wrong-he bought it that day.

Wish I hadn't sold it!



C4 in the used market has always been behind C2. also i was using then OPC prices as a benchmark as they generally have clean cars. I saw Hexagon buy a low miles 993 C2 from Porschecraft for 26.5k in 2009 - turquoise met car. i looked at the history and no way it was a low miles car for me. Hexagon sold the car for £45k

jonttt

678 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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In 2013 993 C4S with 64k miles for £35k from a recognized Indy.

Att he time prices had just started to rise, I had lost out on two wide bodied cars which had sold to dealer for more than asking price !

I had spent 6 months looking at 993’s and the market was pretty stable then with like for like wide bodied cars +£10k on narrow bodied cars with turbo’s c£15k more again ie £20-£25k for a decent narrow body, £35k for a wide body, £50k for a turbo and can;t remember RS prices.

Prices went up quickly from Q2 2013

I’ve spent c£15k on mine in 5 years but £10k of that was on “nice to do/ personal preference” eg £3.5 for sports seats, £1,000 for a handbrake lever lol ie I could get most of that money back (and probably a bit more) if I wanted.

Annual costs are <£1,000 pa including insurance

You can spend as much as you want on these cars but if you but a sound one, spend a few grand on a suspension refresh / setup you don;t need to go crazy.

£15k+ for a respray is pants down money at some well known “specialist” (near me lol), you can get good bare metal resprays for half of that easily.









Edited by jonttt on Wednesday 22 August 09:05

v8ksn

Original Poster:

4,711 posts

183 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Wish I hadn't sold it!

That's a beautiful car. I would love to own something like that. Do you know where the car is now?

IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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v8ksn said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Wish I hadn't sold it!

That's a beautiful car. I would love to own something like that. Do you know where the car is now?
+1 looks stunning

v8ksn

Original Poster:

4,711 posts

183 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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It's quite difficult to figure out which car is worth time and effort to go and see........ but sometimes its easy to dismiss a car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...


jonttt

678 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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v8ksn said:
It's quite difficult to figure out which car is worth time and effort to go and see........ but sometimes its easy to dismiss a car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Lol they have had that car for sale for at least 5 years I think. I remember it being up in 2013 when I was looking. They have always asked above market and its a cat D with the worst dealer prep of a car I have ever seen. I think if I remember correctly there was a big question mark over the mileage as well ;-)

I always put the car down as being in daily use (to explain the lack of prep) and chancer pricing. Good to see they still have it lol


Edited by jonttt on Wednesday 22 August 09:20

v8ksn

Original Poster:

4,711 posts

183 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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jonttt said:
In 2013 993 C4S with 64k miles for £35k from a recognized Indy.

You are a lucky man Jon, you bought at the right time and price.

Lovely car.