Cars not selling?

[ras62]

Wilmslowboy said:

browngt3 said:

The cynic in me says maybe they were on SOR and just been returned to the owners.

Not sure on the Tip but the manual C2 was purchased from a mate of mine. . both very nice cars,

[v8ksn]

IMI A said:

v8ksn said:

IMI A said:

With 62,000 miles? Not the smartest investor but possible I suppose.

I'm sure that whoever spends £93k on that is not expecting to lose money. Either way, it looks like a great price when you compare it to the next one in the classifieds list...

I think they lose £10k-£15k the minute they buy the car just like any other £90k car no? Won’t stop it selling.

HUGE price drop on this one, IMI A you could pick up a bargain here!

[ras62]

v8ksn, I sent you a mail about the manual Blue C2 before the dealer got it, not sure if you recieved it or not.

[v8ksn]

ras62 said:

v8ksn, I sent you a mail about the manual Blue C2 before the dealer got it, not sure if you recieved it or not.

Hi yes, I got your email I cant remember the full details of the car but looking at the dealer website, the car is now listed as sold.

[Wilmslowboy]

Only 4 out of the11 Porsches entered into Brooklands auction (22nd Sept) sold

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2018-0...


The 997 targa made good money

£34k for 2008 with 58k miles...

[Robbo66]

Looking at that lot, surprised any sold at all.

[v8ksn]

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[Olivera]

v8ksn said:

It's just that when I'm looking at spending £40 to £50K on a 23 year old car, I expect to see some receipts other than the yearly MOT.

I've been considering a 993 or 964 for some time, and I concur.

At 20-30 years old I expect a top or full engine rebuild by a specialist.

I'd also expect a full suspension rebuild, with every bush, damper, ball joint etc replaced, with parts being shot-blasted and powdercoated/zinc plated as required. Not just the odd bush replaced, surface corrosion everywhere and one new damper with the others being 25 years old.

Paintwork/bodywork would also need to be in good condition.

Shouldn't this be the norm for a 40-50k 993 or 964? If not then you could quite easily blow the best part of 20k on such maintenence.

[v8ksn]

Olivera said:

Not just the odd bush replaced, surface corrosion everywhere and one new damper with the others being 25 years old.

I think we must have been to see the same car

[Mario149]

Olivera said:

v8ksn said:

It's just that when I'm looking at spending £40 to £50K on a 23 year old car, I expect to see some receipts other than the yearly MOT.

I've been considering a 993 or 964 for some time, and I concur.

At 20-30 years old I expect a top or full engine rebuild by a specialist.

I'd also expect a full suspension rebuild, with every bush, damper, ball joint etc replaced, with parts being shot-blasted and powdercoated/zinc plated as required. Not just the odd bush replaced, surface corrosion everywhere and one new damper with the others being 25 years old.

Paintwork/bodywork would also need to be in good condition.

Shouldn't this be the norm for a 40-50k 993 or 964? If not then you could quite easily blow the best part of 20k on such maintenence.

You don't need a rebuild for a 993 assuming nothing obvious is wrong - mine's on 135k or so and pulling 296 bhp after some tweaks by Wayne at Chip Wizards - was 284 before the map, and should have only left the factory with 268.

Shocks themselves not necessarily shagged either. When I was swapping my original shocks out (Boge, not Monroe) for PSS10s, Center Gravity tested the Boge ones when they came off and said they were still working perfectly. BUT, I did need new top mounts (they were serviceable, but while you're in there etc) and 1x lower V arm, 2x camber arm, 1x kine toe arm.

Basically, you've got to drive a few, they're all different - you'll likely spot if anything serious is awry. And they all have their features. My clutch bites high. Spent loads of money chasing after it with a total of 3 specialists form memory, replaced it, mast cyl, slave cyl etc etc. Turns out nothing is actually wrong. Just always bites high!

[v8ksn]

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[harrykul]

Absolutely. If you don't see a wad of invoices for items other than servicing in the last 5 years, walk away or negotiate hard.

[Mario149]

Mario149 said:

You don't need a rebuild for a 993 assuming nothing obvious is wrong - mine's on 135k or so and pulling 296 bhp after some tweaks by Wayne at Chip Wizards - was 284 before the map, and should have only left the factory with 268.

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Sounds unlucky! But if PH is anything to go by, you don't hear much about 993 rebuilds. And all the specialists I've come across basically say they're bomb proof. Not to say they won't eventually need work clearly, but I certainly wouldn't expect a 993 to have had a rebuild. A 964 on the other hand....

[ras62]

Mario149 said:

Mario149 said:

You don't need a rebuild for a 993 assuming nothing obvious is wrong - mine's on 135k or so and pulling 296 bhp after some tweaks by Wayne at Chip Wizards - was 284 before the map, and should have only left the factory with 268.

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Sounds unlucky! But if PH is anything to go by, you don't hear much about 993 rebuilds. And all the specialists I've come across basically say they're bomb proof. Not to say they won't eventually need work clearly, but I certainly wouldn't expect a 993 to have had a rebuild. A 964 on the other hand....

A strange take on things considering how similar the engines are. They leak in all the same places just like a 964 and suffer exhaust valve guide wear even more so than the 964.

[ooid]

There is a gentleman at AM forum, who had 8 Porsches over 27 years, 5 of them engine-failure so far and 3 of it air-cooled.

"The flat 6" hobby is just getting more expensive in the modern world of driving/transport.

[Mario149]

ras62 said:

Mario149 said:

Mario149 said:

You don't need a rebuild for a 993 assuming nothing obvious is wrong - mine's on 135k or so and pulling 296 bhp after some tweaks by Wayne at Chip Wizards - was 284 before the map, and should have only left the factory with 268.

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Sounds unlucky! But if PH is anything to go by, you don't hear much about 993 rebuilds. And all the specialists I've come across basically say they're bomb proof. Not to say they won't eventually need work clearly, but I certainly wouldn't expect a 993 to have had a rebuild. A 964 on the other hand....

A strange take on things considering how similar the engines are. They leak in all the same places just like a 964 and suffer exhaust valve guide wear even more so than the 964.

That may be, but unless things have changed in the last 5 years, it was all the 964s getting rebuilt as they turned 100k when I was looking for one, not the 993s. If there's lots of info out there saying that 993 are requiring rebuilds, I'm happy to amend my view - I am indeed not a mechanic! But in my 10 years of varying Pork ownership and loitering round this and other forums, if you had to pick a 911 engine to put your money on lasting the longest, it'd be the 993, closely followed by the Mezger. Although the latter lives a harder life in a GT3 probably so maybe not truly a fair comparison.

[ras62]

It is. Whatever a Mezger engine means, but near all GT3's and all 993's use the same crank case which is actually a 964 part number

[Gordo997]

http://www.911virgin.com/cars/full/1316_Porsche_Fo...

This 993 seems to have sold pretty quickly...

[Discombobulate]

ras62 said:

It is. Whatever a Mezger engine means, but near all GT3's and all 993's use the same crank case which is actually a 964 part number

Now that did make me smile
PS my 993 had a rebuild (top end) at 80k. Only other 911 - air or water cooled - that I have had to rebuild in the 30 years I have owned one was a 46 year old 2.2.

[browngt3]

ooid said:

There is a gentleman at AM forum, who had 8 Porsches over 27 years, 5 of them engine-failure so far and 3 of it air-cooled.

"The flat 6" hobby is just getting more expensive in the modern world of driving/transport.

Very unlucky.... or maybe something about his driving style

7 Porsches including 3 air-cooled in 21 years, 0 engine rebuilds