Cars not selling?
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Wilmslowboy said:
IMI A said:
New one just come up at RPM. Looks amazing in black.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Holy moly, my mans math says this could be good value ???
Take an average C2 man coupe, for £40k .....address all known issues, upgrade suspension, rebuild & upgrade engine (to as good as it can be) and you would over the price of this.....
Wilmslowboy said:
Holy moly, my mans math says this could be good value ???
Take an average C2 man coupe, for £40k .....address all known issues, upgrade suspension, rebuild & upgrade engine (to as good as it can be) and you would over the price of this.....
Certainly looks clean and great if you want a 3.8.
Black would put me off as a PITA to keep clean, turbo twists can be changed as can the sports seats which I don't find very comfortable around the shoulders.
ooid said:
Regulations, especially in London getting quite strict. I was not even paying attention but they were implementing the new bans quite fast. I almost got a fine recently, in Bank junction (no car allowed!).
Now they are planning to give a trial of new ban;
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1006917/...
It is funny because (being a former city resident), just a 4-5 years ago, I used to drive in the city, with very minimum congestion charge (10p?). Now I would not be able to even drive during weekdays, or maybe even more? The rumour has, London will implement this rule on other highly wealthy areas such as Marylebone and Kensington. (Anyone remember the locals who was complaining about revving chaps?)..
If you are local londoner, and can't drive your classic -pork or non-pork- as you pelase, I guess the potential owners would drop eventually... What if they would start putting new regulations on smart motorways too such as no more non start/stop cars or older cars since they have no extra safety gadgets. I was driving to Cornwall a few weeks ago, I stopped counting old broken land rovers and jaguars on the way back..
It's a vote winner with 99% of the population and is the right thing to do from a pollution perspective so it's going to happen. Let's be honest most older Pork is a second car and Central London is not really the ideal place to be exercising these cars. I moved out of London 3 1/2 years ago and am rather glad I did....loved living in London for 25 years but don't miss it now. Now they are planning to give a trial of new ban;
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1006917/...
It is funny because (being a former city resident), just a 4-5 years ago, I used to drive in the city, with very minimum congestion charge (10p?). Now I would not be able to even drive during weekdays, or maybe even more? The rumour has, London will implement this rule on other highly wealthy areas such as Marylebone and Kensington. (Anyone remember the locals who was complaining about revving chaps?)..
If you are local londoner, and can't drive your classic -pork or non-pork- as you pelase, I guess the potential owners would drop eventually... What if they would start putting new regulations on smart motorways too such as no more non start/stop cars or older cars since they have no extra safety gadgets. I was driving to Cornwall a few weeks ago, I stopped counting old broken land rovers and jaguars on the way back..
Cheib said:
It's a vote winner with 99% of the population and is the right thing to do from a pollution perspective so it's going to happen. Let's be honest most older Pork is a second car and Central London is not really the ideal place to be exercising these cars. I moved out of London 3 1/2 years ago and am rather glad I did....loved living in London for 25 years but don't miss it now.
Indeed, but I do miss seeing old random 355s, 993s and even e-types around the city. You really can't see them anymore, unless there is a show/event or whatever.Took this picture back in 2012
ooid said:
Indeed, but I do miss seeing old random 355s, 993s and even e-types around the city. You really can't see them anymore, unless there is a show/event or whatever.
Funnily enough my son and I were in South Kensington last Monday, and happened upon a 993 S parked on a side road on the way to Gloucester Road tube station. First time I've been back into London in over 10 years, so thought nothing of it (and didn't take a photo). Mind you, sadly, it looked as though it hadn't moved since at least 2012 You can't "drive" in cities anyway, and there's certainly no need to. Surely the solution is to garage your car on the outskirts (within tube access?), and use it where it can be used for driving, not posing. Or move. Where there's a will.....
I agree with cmoose too, but for me it's slightly different.
forgetting the over priced examples for a minute - but the one you can afford (in my case I was after a 3.2, but when they were double the price of a lovely example of a 997 I couldn't do it to myself, so bought the 997)
Now, assuming all the banning and fuel taxes and the world is going to end st is true...........get out and drive the thing. Whilst you still can.
I cancelled my Tesla order.........because, well, at some point my life type I may well HAVE to have an electric car..........so whilst I can, I'm ragging the st out of my 911, Landy and Bikes.
Even thinking of sticking my next out on something stupid - just because I want to , while I still can.
forgetting the over priced examples for a minute - but the one you can afford (in my case I was after a 3.2, but when they were double the price of a lovely example of a 997 I couldn't do it to myself, so bought the 997)
Now, assuming all the banning and fuel taxes and the world is going to end st is true...........get out and drive the thing. Whilst you still can.
I cancelled my Tesla order.........because, well, at some point my life type I may well HAVE to have an electric car..........so whilst I can, I'm ragging the st out of my 911, Landy and Bikes.
Even thinking of sticking my next out on something stupid - just because I want to , while I still can.
ooid said:
Cheib said:
It's a vote winner with 99% of the population and is the right thing to do from a pollution perspective so it's going to happen. Let's be honest most older Pork is a second car and Central London is not really the ideal place to be exercising these cars. I moved out of London 3 1/2 years ago and am rather glad I did....loved living in London for 25 years but don't miss it now.
Indeed, but I do miss seeing old random 355s, 993s and even e-types around the city. You really can't see them anymore, unless there is a show/event or whatever.Took this picture back in 2012
anonymous said:
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Was listening to a bloke of the radio talking about electric cars etc this morning. His view was very much that cars propelled by internal combustion engines don't have a future because of economics....the prices of things like batteries and motors are coming down so rapidly that in ten years or so it's just going to become a very simple financial decision for 99% of car drivers to own/drive an electric car. Inner city transport is all about "shared mobility" in the future. When you start reading articles about it we sound like a load of dinosaurs worrying about whether we can drive our internal combustion engine propelled sports cars in cities in the future!
As others have said, not really too bothered about what happens in cities. For a long time now it's been more convenient to park outside London and take the train or tube in. As long as we're allowed to move around the rest of the country with ease then what's the problem?
I note too, that most towns now either have park and ride or are creating it. So if you need to go there in your 993, have a blast, park up and take the electric bus into the centre.
Cmoose makes some accurate observations but maybe being a little too pessimistic about the future. At least in our lifetimes!
I note too, that most towns now either have park and ride or are creating it. So if you need to go there in your 993, have a blast, park up and take the electric bus into the centre.
Cmoose makes some accurate observations but maybe being a little too pessimistic about the future. At least in our lifetimes!
The only constant is change, which is hardly an original observation but it applies here.
My view is that you don't put 65k into a 25 year old car on a whim, as such you're unlikely to not have the personal resources to work out whether you can drive said car to your friends for dinner or take the electric car - or, indeed, ride your electric bike.
If combustion engines are banned in cities then the positives (10,000 deaths per year in London avoided) outweigh the negatives.
I might dig out my plans to convert a 70's Citroen DS to electric motivation (shelved when I bought a twenty year old 911).
My view is that you don't put 65k into a 25 year old car on a whim, as such you're unlikely to not have the personal resources to work out whether you can drive said car to your friends for dinner or take the electric car - or, indeed, ride your electric bike.
If combustion engines are banned in cities then the positives (10,000 deaths per year in London avoided) outweigh the negatives.
I might dig out my plans to convert a 70's Citroen DS to electric motivation (shelved when I bought a twenty year old 911).
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Always take my cars to the OPC as the service is just brilliant. I trust them to point out what needs doing and what to keep an eye on. We always have a good walk round the car when on the ramp too. They also charge me less than the independents.
I want to do a remap though as I think that might be the most cost effective route to more grunt.
Out of interest what bhp are you achieving from your 3.8 conversion?
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actually I think cmoose has a valid point - I have already mentally excluded certain cars from my "cars I want to buy list" as I think I already can't drive them into Munich city center (aka my home) due to emissions - for me there is little point in owning a car I can't (at least in theory) drive daily and park where I live to have access to it any time anonymous said:
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Don't disagree at all with what you say. However, it remains a pretty bleak picture of the future. One where people's freedom of choice and movement are restricted. The great post war motoring revolution in Western democracies giving freedom of movement to the masses looks set to be rolled back. It's become a victim of its own success.Having said that, for the foreseeable future, and in answer to the OP, I feel the 993 will hold much of its value. Economic situation permitting of course. We are currently witnessing a correction in the Classic car market which explains why a lot of overpriced stock isn't moving. I know several people in the market for a car who are waiting for prices to drop further.
browngt3 said:
Don't disagree at all with what you say. However, it remains a pretty bleak picture of the future. One where people's freedom of choice and movement are restricted. The great post war motoring revolution in Western democracies giving freedom of movement to the masses looks set to be rolled back. It's become a victim of its own success.
There has to be a balance - in this case your freedom to drive what you want versus the public health and environmental impact.Your point about freedom of movement is only true if "the masses" are all driving elderly air-cooled 911's or similar vehicles - which they are not.
Drive a Nissan Leaf? Then go where you will. Drive an old 911? Then (due to the negative impact on others local to where you drive the vehicle) you may not be able too.
Why the change over time? We now know better what the impacts of these things are.
We have to take personal responsibility for our actions, considering what we drive, where, is part of that.
Dammit said:
There has to be a balance - in this case your freedom to drive what you want versus the public health and environmental impact.
Your point about freedom of movement is only true if "the masses" are all driving elderly air-cooled 911's or similar vehicles - which they are not.
Drive a Nissan Leaf? Then go where you will. Drive an old 911? Then (due to the negative impact on others local to where you drive the vehicle) you may not be able too.
Why the change over time? We now know better what the impacts of these things are.
We have to take personal responsibility for our actions, considering what we drive, where, is part of that.
the issue is most people spend £15k or less on a car, the rest PCP basic 1.2 cars it seems, I see 1000's of 1.2 cars about.Your point about freedom of movement is only true if "the masses" are all driving elderly air-cooled 911's or similar vehicles - which they are not.
Drive a Nissan Leaf? Then go where you will. Drive an old 911? Then (due to the negative impact on others local to where you drive the vehicle) you may not be able too.
Why the change over time? We now know better what the impacts of these things are.
We have to take personal responsibility for our actions, considering what we drive, where, is part of that.
a Nissan leaf without any options is £25,190 !!! no one is buying these electric cars in the numbers needed, or will be able to any time soon.
as for London, the 1st port of call is ban all non electric black cabs asap, 25,000 of the st spouting things all seem to be sitting about with engines running !! and all older cars full stop. And ban them from the ULEZ zones.
how many cars do you see pumping out black st !!! it's 1000's and the sort of people in these old cars don't have the money for a electric car at 4x the price.
so imo we need to help people still in Euro 3 and older cars first. but the bigger problem is Cabs and old busses in our cities.
I See we will have in April 2019 the ULEZ but they are not banning cars just charging more £1 !! , which seems pointless.
The only people who can afford electric cars atm already own euro 6 cars as it is !! and in the main it's fat cats avoiding company car tax's.
Mr ave don't have Nissan leaf £25,190 money or even if they did don't want to own one. We need a £15k Electric Ford Fiesta type car for electric to take off not £25k Leaf's !!!
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th September 12:25
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