I love my Porsche... just wish Ford had built it

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anonymous said:

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Still wish the team that procures / designs the quality bits like the lightweight jack, suspension components etc would speak to their colleagues who designed / procured the IMS, RMS, DMF, exhaust fittings, tandem pump, batteries, coolant pipes and all the other weak bits. It wouldn't be so bad if they always up-specced once they realised there was an issue - eg batteries and chocolate fixings - but they often don't. No need I suppose, thanks to captive market.
Anyhooo, done to death now methinks. Off for a long lunch

[harleywilma]

Never quite understood why my former sussex based indy specialists regularly use eurocarparts , My trusty mainstream mechanic swerves them like the plague and wont fit anything that has come from them...... ,

[vsonix]

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Ford? Wait until you own a japanese, ideally Lexus. I've recently sold all my german cars. The build quality, reliability and driving of Lexus way beyond any big european brand. I think in general european brands left their quality engineering and more focus on marketing/styling.

I'd be inclined to agree a bit there, the German brands have switched from making solid overengineered products that will last a lifetime in rough conditions to creating fashion statement cars designed to be leased and got rid of after a fairly short fixed term. And Although I am very much an enthusiast when it comes to BMW cars up til the 90s, I only rarely find myself exited by the newer models.

I do really like Japanese cars but at the same time it's a real pity that most of the best things they make aren't readily available without going down the 'grey import' route. And it's true, a lot of Japanese cars, the inside can be bland and a bit cheap-looking. For every home run they hit (lovely Recaros in an EP3 type R) they don't manage to follow it up across the range (drove a high-spec Accord from the same vintage as the EP3, it gave me pain in back muscles I never even knew I had, despite the interior looking decent it was horribly uncomfortable).

I am watching the Korean car scene with interest, they seem to be like the 'new Japanese'. Finally moving away from the reputation for flimsy, ugly cars that people don't want to be seen in, putting their money where their mouth is with regards to motorsport as other manufacturers are moving away from trying to cash in on sporting 'halo effect' kudos, the current generation of Korean stuff looks pretty tasty and by all accounts, perform well and are topping the charts for reliability and VFM. Whereas it seems to me that the Japanese have lost a lot of the 'joie de vivre' and are putting out increasingly staid, dull machines into the main stream.

Going back to the OP, all I can say is careful what you wish for on the Ford front, as although I have seen some 'cockroach' Fords (i.e. unkillable) I have also seen a lot of unreliable nails.

[PaulD86]

anonymous said:

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Well if you feel the need to point out that then I'll go for some real bombshells. The pope is Catholic and pigeons crap.

Anyway, the narrative you are pedaling is not what I started this thread about. This thread is about my disappointment with some poor quality standards and practices from Porsche. If you disagree that these exists or whatever then feel free to start a thread to that effect and see who agrees. My point stands. I wish my Porsche was built as well as my ford.

[AW111]

Related to vsonix's post, why are Porsche warranties so short? Korean white-goods cars are up to seven years now.

[ooid]

vsonix said:

Whereas it seems to me that the Japanese have lost a lot of the 'joie de vivre' and are putting out increasingly staid, dull machines into the main stream.

hmm yes but it's also a bit cultural (design-wise). There is still a big gap between far-east (or asian) vs western (european) design understanding and lifestyle. I would totally agree about their styling, they are quite bland, and ott modest, but that's their lifestyle and treating the brand (Toyota or Lexus in my case), a bit more generic/universal so that every culture can accept it. That's why, there ara massive fans in Japan for Porsche or Mclaren, as for them their design and mechanics quite extreme.

The way they design/build make it also explains their culture, super attention to detail and lifetime quality, which many european (especially german) brands lost it imho.

[pete.g]

harleywilma said:

Never quite understood why my former sussex based indy specialists regularly use eurocarparts , My trusty mainstream mechanic swerves them like the plague and wont fit anything that has come from them...... ,

ECP sell parts from OEM suppliers like Brembo, Pagid, Sachs, Hella, Bosch, Koni, etc and often have great deals, so perhaps your mainstream mechanic just has a relationship with another company - ECP is just a reseller, not a manufacturer.

[stichill99]

Euro car parts do indeed sell OE spares and also can give you a choice of OE or OE quality or cheapest available. Not everybody is conned into buying parts from OPC with their rip off prices.

[limpsfield]

anonymous said:

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My Porsche irony meter just broke.

[Pugley]

And, they are not very well built in relation to what they cost

[frozen-in-wiltshire]

anonymous said:

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yes.....

white goods (and simple cars) are disposable (because they are cheap), so nobody really cares what the warranty actually is. sounds good on sales blurb but really has anyone tried to claim on a 7 year old fridge/hyundai etc.... probably not... as they'll have sold long before then - next owner may do but also probably not.
marketing is the driver here - people don't 'need' a long free warranty on a porsche - they buy one if they 'want' it. a bit like the options list - toyota/hyundai stuffed with gizmos - porsche not - you pay for what you want - they make money but sell in small volume - and charge a premium for the experience.
and we do pay because of our wants - I'm a repeat offender here - I know this and I keep doing it!
so they don't offer free warranties - they offer paid warranties - which we keep buying - and they don't have to offer free as we don't care.
QED

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anonymous said:

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Porsche warranty is 4 years in the States

[Baz99]

Just returned from a week in the lake district. Lots of leaves, can I get them out of the intakes! Can I b--------. Decided that intake grills must be fitted. Have done this in the past with a 996 and 997.1, now a 997.2, what a game! Sure enough the rads, as always, stuffed with rubbish, fortunately no corrosion or leaks. How any half wit can build a car with a cooling system like the Porsche, designed to trap debris and rubbish and not protect it beggars belief.