19th rs track day oulton park 8th march

19th rs track day oulton park 8th march

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BertBert

13,447 posts

162 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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ginettajoe said:
Your initial comment is exactly right, late turn in is theoretically safer at the exit, but realistically,it isn't because very often a late turn in, coming off the brakes before turning, results in understeer which either ends up as a spin, or running wide!!
I don;t recall anyone advocating coming off the brakes when turning in. Have you made that up? I can absolutely guarantee that a late turn in has never made me spin. I've spun in many circumstances, but never a late turn in.

But hey, I'm open minded. I've had lots of coaches over the years (including a LM winner) and I love being taught stuff. I'm a very good coachee as I'm good at following instructions. I want to go around a second a lap quicker at Donington, and I'm at the Monoposto meeting in April. Fancy helping out?
Bert

ginettajoe

2,034 posts

169 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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BertBert said:
ginettajoe said:
Your initial comment is exactly right, late turn in is theoretically safer at the exit, but realistically,it isn't because very often a late turn in, coming off the brakes before turning, results in understeer which either ends up as a spin, or running wide!!
I don;t recall anyone advocating coming off the brakes when turning in. Have you made that up? I can absolutely guarantee that a late turn in has never made me spin. I've spun in many circumstances, but never a late turn in.

But hey, I'm open minded. I've had lots of coaches over the years (including a LM winner) and I love being taught stuff. I'm a very good coachee as I'm good at following instructions. I want to go around a second a lap quicker at Donington, and I'm at the Monoposto meeting in April. Fancy helping out?
Bert
Bert, I will always help out, wherever and whenever I can, ..... have you raced with Alex Fores in Monoposto? The reason I asked that, is I coached him briefly in the Junior Saloon Car Championship, and he fell out with the series, and went into a Formula Ford, putting it on pole in his first single seater race. His Father, Richard, is a driver coach, but wanted me to coach Alex, maintaining that it was my influence that helped in a very short time.

Obviously, to convince you that your lap times would come down considerably, I would need to sit with you in a saloon, or sportscar. It is difficult to communicate the technique unless you are sitting next to that driver, and talking him through each and every corner, because natural habits will always take precedent if I watched from the sidelines!

I am at Donington next Friday, 22nd, and I'm racing there on the 7th April.

Howard

Steve Rance

5,093 posts

182 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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Every successful driver is smooth. It’s the only way you can go quick over a race distance. Rob doesn’t teally concentrate on that, he will expect it from a pupil as a basic requirement

ginettajoe

2,034 posts

169 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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Steve Rance said:
Every successful driver is smooth. It’s the only way you can go quick over a race distance. Rob doesn’t teally concentrate on that, he will expect it from a pupil as a basic requirement
..... I'm totally aware of what, and how he teaches, which encourages a natural, and smooth technique! I'm not quite sure why you are trying to trip me up? I know what I teach, I know that it is the quickest way, the most sympathetic way on tyres, suspension, drive train, etc, and the success of those that I have spent time with speak volumes! That is not meant to come across in any arrogant way, I love doing the job I do, and I am, I think, the cheapest driver coach operating at the moment. I have charged the same rate for fifteen years, and I am in a fortunate position where I don't need to work, but just do it for something to occupy my time, and pay for my racing, road trips etc.

Steve Rance

5,093 posts

182 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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Not trying to trip you up at all. Anyone who shares decent knowledge on this forum should be encouraged. I was trying to establish the overlap between your teaching and Robs.

LaSource

2,447 posts

159 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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I'm no coach...but there was definitely more grip on the outside than the inside wink


Steve Rance

5,093 posts

182 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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I must apologise. We met at Oulton and I didn’t realise it. I was expecting to see gold centres on your LM’s. My Tiny brain was a little slow. Until next time.

BubblesNW

1,595 posts

134 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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LaSource said:
I'm no coach...but there was definitely more grip on the outside than the inside wink

Definitely more front grip on the outside front tyre than the inside one.

It was nice to have a chat with you after lunch about various 996GT3s, yours is lovely and looks in great condition.

BertBert

13,447 posts

162 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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ginettajoe said:
Bert, I will always help out, wherever and whenever I can, ..... have you raced with Alex Fores in Monoposto? The reason I asked that, is I coached him briefly in the Junior Saloon Car Championship, and he fell out with the series, and went into a Formula Ford, putting it on pole in his first single seater race. His Father, Richard, is a driver coach, but wanted me to coach Alex, maintaining that it was my influence that helped in a very short time.

Obviously, to convince you that your lap times would come down considerably, I would need to sit with you in a saloon, or sportscar. It is difficult to communicate the technique unless you are sitting next to that driver, and talking him through each and every corner, because natural habits will always take precedent if I watched from the sidelines!

I am at Donington next Friday, 22nd, and I'm racing there on the 7th April.

Howard
I raced against him in FF2000 at BH superprix in 2017 and managed to finish in front (just!). Got to know Rich there as well.
Will have to give the car some thought. Not happy with the GT3 setup yet, so would need to sort that out first.
Bert

Yellow491

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1,680 posts

70 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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LaSource said:
I'm no coach...but there was definitely more grip on the outside than the inside wink

Is that all you could get it up;)

ginettajoe

2,034 posts

169 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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BertBert said:
ginettajoe said:
Bert, I will always help out, wherever and whenever I can, ..... have you raced with Alex Fores in Monoposto? The reason I asked that, is I coached him briefly in the Junior Saloon Car Championship, and he fell out with the series, and went into a Formula Ford, putting it on pole in his first single seater race. His Father, Richard, is a driver coach, but wanted me to coach Alex, maintaining that it was my influence that helped in a very short time.

Obviously, to convince you that your lap times would come down considerably, I would need to sit with you in a saloon, or sportscar. It is difficult to communicate the technique unless you are sitting next to that driver, and talking him through each and every corner, because natural habits will always take precedent if I watched from the sidelines!

I am at Donington next Friday, 22nd, and I'm racing there on the 7th April.

Howard
I raced against him in FF2000 at BH superprix in 2017 and managed to finish in front (just!). Got to know Rich there as well.
Will have to give the car some thought. Not happy with the GT3 setup yet, so would need to sort that out first.
Bert
Bert, just let me know, and if you see Alex & Rich, please pass on my regards.

LaSource

2,447 posts

159 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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Steve Rance said:
I must apologise. We met at Oulton and I didn’t realise it. I was expecting to see gold centres on your LM’s. My Tiny brain was a little slow. Until next time.
Yes we did briefly. No worries. Next time.
The tyres on the gold rims were a bit marginal therefore she was wearing silvers with better tyres at Oulton.

LaSource

2,447 posts

159 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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BubblesNW said:
Definitely more front grip on the outside front tyre than the inside one.

It was nice to have a chat with you after lunch about various 996GT3s, yours is lovely and looks in great condition.
Yes same here. Thank you.

LaSource

2,447 posts

159 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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Yellow491 said:
LaSource said:
I'm no coach...but there was definitely more grip on the outside than the inside wink

Is that all you could get it up;)
Haha. Nice one.

Though my excuse is that my opposite rear suspension doesn’t compress anywhere near as much as yours wink



Edited by LaSource on Sunday 17th March 09:58

Yellow491

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1,680 posts

70 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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Some usefull reading info for track day tuition and understanding basis of varying corners and lines etc.Sorry taffy its not in welsh gobly gook wink

https://www.racelogic.co.uk/_downloads/Misc/Racelo...

https://www.racelogic.co.uk/_downloads/Misc/Racelo...

Taffy66

3,504 posts

53 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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Yellow491 said:
Some usefull reading info for track day tuition and understanding basis of varying corners and lines etc.Sorry taffy its not in welsh gobly gook wink

https://www.racelogic.co.uk/_downloads/Misc/Racelo...

https://www.racelogic.co.uk/_downloads/Misc/Racelo...
I'll study these later. However don't you recall after the beers we had in the Alvaney Arms last Friday night , you promised free driving tuition for a side of beef..

Yellow491

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1,680 posts

70 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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Taffy66 said:
Yellow491 said:
Some usefull reading info for track day tuition and understanding basis of varying corners and lines etc.Sorry taffy its not in welsh gobly gook wink

https://www.racelogic.co.uk/_downloads/Misc/Racelo...

https://www.racelogic.co.uk/_downloads/Misc/Racelo...
I'll study these later. However don't you recall after the beers we had in the Alvaney Arms last Friday night , you promised free driving tuition for a side of beef..
Yes up for thatsmile

hunter 66

3,020 posts

171 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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Yellow I will help cook it ....

Yellow491

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1,680 posts

70 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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Hunter i will leave you to wipe its backside and cut the horns offsmile,we should invite Rob wilson along,he could help you cook the steaks,and sounds like no horns to be cut offsmileproper guy with mans race experience.

Edited by Yellow491 on Monday 18th March 07:35

hunter 66

3,020 posts

171 months

Sunday 17th March 2019
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