WLPT and what effects it has on power

WLPT and what effects it has on power

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HokumPokum

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2,051 posts

205 months

Saturday 12th January 2019
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As I understand it from 1 July 2018, WLPT effects on petrol engines produced all need to have a particulate filter on the exhaust for EU approved cars.

How is this affecting the bhp of cars produced? how are manufacturers producing cars that barely have a drop in power? Take the new Z4 M40i, the U.S version of the car which does not have to comply with particulate filter requirements makes 40hp more than the EU version. I wonder if we are being short changed on the newer cars manufactured after July 2018?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Saturday 12th January 2019
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Golf R has less power now, as with most Ecu tunes you can tune bhp back unless you are under strict co2 limits.

A car like the R8 v10 co2 is so high it makes no odds, a car like the golf R which sells in massive numbers, it seems they had to reduce power to keep the co2 at the level they needed.

I guess every single car will be different depending on target co2 levels for that model.

Theone8181

482 posts

132 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Porsche911R said:
Golf R has less power now, as with most Ecu tunes you can tune bhp back unless you are under strict co2 limits.

A car like the R8 v10 co2 is so high it makes no odds, a car like the golf R which sells in massive numbers, it seems they had to reduce power to keep the co2 at the level they needed.

I guess every single car will be different depending on target co2 levels for that model.
I guess that similar to why AM released the cygnetsmile

HokumPokum

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205 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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I get it that it's possible to increase boost to compensate on a turbo engine and the willingness to tolerate high emissions can claw back lost HP. But, how can a particulate filter in the exhaust not choke HP? I have no clue where they inserted the filter, but I suspect it'll take a lot to increase the airflow to compensate.


Taffy66

5,964 posts

102 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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HokumPokum said:
I get it that it's possible to increase boost to compensate on a turbo engine and the willingness to tolerate high emissions can claw back lost HP. But, how can a particulate filter in the exhaust not choke HP? I have no clue where they inserted the filter, but I suspect it'll take a lot to increase the airflow to compensate.
Its incorporated into a new design Catalytic converter which replaces the existing Cat only unit.

HokumPokum

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205 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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check out the Lexus RCF. down 20 HP from 477 down to 457

Twinfan

10,125 posts

104 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Haven't the noise levels come down for new cars too? More bunged up exhausts will also sap power.

kbf1981

2,252 posts

200 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Porsche must have designed the new cars with the filter in mind?

s2000db

1,155 posts

153 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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According to today’s Autocar mag, the GPF on the new 992, weigh 20Kg!! That’s a hell of a weight to carry round, plus he also noted the car sounded a lot quieter/refined..

Probably not worth ordering the 4S then... tongue out

Taffy66

5,964 posts

102 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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s2000db said:
According to today’s Autocar mag, the GPF on the new 992, weigh 20Kg!! That’s a hell of a weight to carry round, plus he also noted the car sounded a lot quieter/refined..

Probably not worth ordering the 4S then... tongue out
Also on Autocar online it states that the new BMW 760Li has lost 25HP as a direct result of having the GPF fitted.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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anonymous said:
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Again ,you mean the R8 which is pointless as the co2 on that car is so high it made no odds, where main stream cars they cannot up the bhp as it ups the co2 on like for like engines, one thing they cannot do.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

102 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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anonymous said:
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It depends on whether or not they left something on the table pre GPF on whatever engine..In terms of the new R8 the engine was always capable of producing 640PS in the Performante, so it wouldn't be difficult to add power to the base 540PS R8 even with the restrictive filter.
On the 991.2GT3 RS however where it was already fully tuned i expect it'll be more difficult to overcome the restriction of the two GPF filters(one on each bank) post WLTP.
Time will tell.!

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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anonymous said:
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no it means the R8 Co2 makes no difference if it's up 20, but on a Golf R it clearly does.

It will be all down to Co2 targets on what cars loose power due to these filters, not if the engine can make more power with a tune.