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RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Yellow491 said:
As said the 2.7rs engine is a sweet one,just add some lightness and grip.
If you want to run the engine number and type number by me i can check what car it came from if its the real deal.
Beware of many restamped motors any way,i dont know the history of it.
A 993 is no early car,great car but a very differant drive.
I guess its see you at prescott,as i would not want to spoil the fun of slippy and robbo trying to educate yousmile
Thanks P.

The engine is the real deal, Neil Bainbridge of BS Motorsport authenticated it and generally checked the car over before I bought it for RPM. It was a long time ago and I can’t really remember, but I think part of the reason I got him to check the car over was to check the engines authenticity, as from memory, I think the casing isn’t numbered; I assume it was replaced at some point. (not sure that this was a common occurrence?)

Yep see you at Donny and then Prescott. I think Rob is having some form of Hill Climb tuition and I’ve asked him to see if I can do something similar as it looks like a real blast.

In terms of ride fettling : CG are doing this for me; no input from me, just let Chris look at what was already there and he’s adding what he thinks is appropriate to improve handling for good road (not track) dynamics - I’m hoping this is a good start to the journey any constructive comments from anyone are most welcome ;

He’s doing the following ;

Schedule

Remove rear torsion bars and then replace with 26mm rear turbo torsion bars
Fit front strut brace
Remove and fit 2 x rear Bilstein dampers
Fitting and balancing of new tyres (Pirelli P7 cinturato tyre 205/50/15 & 225/50/15)
Chassis tune

Remove and re fit 26mm rear turbo torsion bars
Fit front strut brace
Remove and fit 2 x rear Bilstein sprint dampers
Preload car with weight
Tyre data check and adjust
Ride height check and adjust
Re index rear torsion bars
Corner weight check and adjust
Geometry check and adjust
Corner weight re check
Customer test drive check and handover
Before and after tyre report
Before and after geometry check and report.

Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 17th April 11:17

Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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RSVP911 said:
Thanks P.

The engine is the real deal, Neil Bainbridge of BS Motorsport authenticated it and generally checked the car over before I bought it for RPM. It was a long time ago and I can’t really remember, but I think part of the reason I got him to check the car over was to check the engines authenticity, as from memory, I think the casing isn’t numbered; I assume it was replaced at some point. (not sure that this was a common occurrence?)

Yep see you at Donny and then Prescott. I think Rob is having some form of Hill Climb tuition and I’ve asked him to see if I can do something similar as it looks like a real blast.

In terms of ride fettling : CG are doing this for me; no input from me, just let Chris look at what was already there and he’s adding what he thinks is appropriate to improve handling for good road (not track) dynamics - I’m hoping this is a good start to the journey any constructive comments from anyone are most welcome ;

He’s doing the following ;

Schedule

Remove rear torsion bars and then replace with 26mm rear turbo torsion bars
Fit front strut brace
Remove and fit 2 x rear Bilstein dampers
Fitting and balancing of new tyres (Pirelli P7 cinturato tyre 205/50/15 & 225/50/15)
Chassis tune

Remove and re fit 26mm rear turbo torsion bars
Fit front strut brace
Remove and fit 2 x rear Bilstein sprint dampers
Preload car with weight
Tyre data check and adjust
Ride height check and adjust
Re index rear torsion bars
Corner weight check and adjust
Geometry check and adjust
Corner weight re check
Customer test drive check and handover
Before and after tyre report
Before and after geometry check and report.

Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 17th April 11:17
First thing i would do is junk torsion bars and fit coilovers all round.
Strut brace only required if you have plastic front wings.
If you want grippy road tyres,go the khumo route like all the hillclimbers use.
Now thats caused you a dilemmasmile

Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Sorry missed the bit on engine numbers,great its a rs spec engine with mag cases etc,but it wont match one of the 2.7rs with out a number,unless it has a factory id as a replacement case to replace the original cases with a number.
There are replacement cases around with no numbers,so you can put what ever number you like on it if you so wish!;)
Get yourself booked onto a prescott tuition day like robbo,learn plenty and get a bit of a feel for hillclimbing.I remember me and 993sr doing a school day there years ago.
Have my first round of the championship this weekend at loton park near shrewsbury,cant wait its been a long winter,will put a vid up of it next week.

Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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RSVP911 said:
Wozy68 said:
All these posts and all this expenditure biggrin

All you need is a C2 993 manual with early sport seats .... non vario for the punch above 4K revs to remind you of earlier 911s, possibly with the LWF, RS steering wheel (purely because they are cool), the RS shifter and spend 10K which includes replacing dampers and springs (Koni FSDs and M033 ideal for our undulating roads) and every single suspension component. Get Gert to RSR the exhausts and Chris to set up your suspension.

Job done, 9/10ths on public roads and you can still commute to work in it and drive her to Italy and back without breaking a sweat..... and you can leave her parked outside the pub all night and sleep soundly.

I have one going cheap, I'll take all of yours towards the PX plus cash biggrinhehe



Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 16th April 14:05
That’s very nice of you - you’re a true gent - can I sleep on it ? I’ll let you know. smile
Cheers ...... but you do need to be quick hehe

hot66

695 posts

216 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Yellow491 said:
First thing i would do is junk torsion bars and fit coilovers all round.
Strut brace only required if you have plastic front wings.
If you want grippy road tyres,go the khumo route like all the hillclimbers use.
Now thats caused you a dilemmasmile
surely we're now talking taking the car down a whole different route though aren't we if looking at junking torsion bars & replacing with coil overs .. also would need some bodyshell strenthening around the top shock mounts in that situation ? .. you sure you're not just being bad and pushing him into the depths of motorsport & the endless quest for seconds wink :lol:

Road use and an early 911 on stockish torsion bars is a well tried & tested route

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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hot66 said:
surely we're now talking taking the car down a whole different route though aren't we if looking at junking torsion bars & replacing with coil overs .. also would need some bodyshell strenthening around the top shock mounts in that situation ? .. you sure you're not just being bad and pushing him into the depths of motorsport & the endless quest for seconds wink :lol:

Road use and an early 911 on stockish torsion bars is a well tried & tested route
Only someone as stupid as me would ask for this type of advice a week before getting his car done & once all the parts are already ordered - I’ve only got my self to blame.

They sound a bit hardcore to me for spirited road use if I also need to strengthen the body - please can someone tell me in really simple terms what they bring to the party and what negative affect they might have on normal B road blasting - will they make the car too hardcore for example - sorry, I genuinely have non idea, I’m officially the least technical person on PH.

Are they complimentary to the work I’m having done next week and if so, I assume they could be added later, but I then assume the car will need re setting up again ?

Chris also suggested Elephant Racing Anti Roll Bars, but they were quite expensive and I thought I’d see what incremental gains I got from the phase 1 work first, as these can be added later without re setting the car up apparently.

Yellow, I’ll google tuition re hill climb - I’m a great believer in any form of tuition - money very well spent. Every time I go on track (which unfortunately is quite rare) I always get some ; having some at the Donnington day in June too.



Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 17th April 15:53

Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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hot66 said:
Yellow491 said:
First thing i would do is junk torsion bars and fit coilovers all round.
Strut brace only required if you have plastic front wings.
If you want grippy road tyres,go the khumo route like all the hillclimbers use.
Now thats caused you a dilemmasmile
surely we're now talking taking the car down a whole different route though aren't we if looking at junking torsion bars & replacing with coil overs .. also would need some bodyshell strenthening around the top shock mounts in that situation ? .. you sure you're not just being bad and pushing him into the depths of motorsport & the endless quest for seconds wink :lol:

Road use and an early 911 on stockish torsion bars is a well tried & tested route
Always bad mate!
Torsion bars work great when set up is good,but not to stiff.
Coil overs give you a better ride wet and dry and good traction,easy to adjust the ride heights etc
You can do all you want to your engine,but when another car has xtc on or intrax fitted on the road,they ride so well and just disapear with out the bucking bronco.
Assuming you have the sc roll bars fitted as standard are ok,but not adjustable as the elephant or rsr type rollbars which you dont need for the road really.
good standard porsche equipment works very well on the road with a good geo set up,of which i am sure chris will do well.
Trouble is when you start replacing old for new,you start chaseing the worn parts like rear arm bushes,roll bar bushes,engine and box mounts,front a arm bushes,top mounts etc etc.
Have fun with it.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Yellow491 said:
Always bad mate!
Torsion bars work great when set up is good,but not to stiff.
Coil overs give you a better ride wet and dry and good traction,easy to adjust the ride heights etc
You can do all you want to your engine,but when another car has xtc on or intrax fitted on the road,they ride so well and just disapear with out the bucking bronco.
Assuming you have the sc roll bars fitted as standard are ok,but not adjustable as the elephant or rsr type rollbars which you dont need for the road really.
good standard porsche equipment works very well on the road with a good geo set up,of which i am sure chris will do well.
Trouble is when you start replacing old for new,you start chaseing the worn parts like rear arm bushes,roll bar bushes,engine and box mounts,front a arm bushes,top mounts etc etc.
Have fun with it.
Cheers , thanks both, for taking the time to help R smile

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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Yellow491 said:
Always bad mate!
Torsion bars work great when set up is good,but not to stiff.
Coil overs give you a better ride wet and dry and good traction,easy to adjust the ride heights etc
You can do all you want to your engine,but when another car has xtc on or intrax fitted on the road,they ride so well and just disapear with out the bucking bronco.
Assuming you have the sc roll bars fitted as standard are ok,but not adjustable as the elephant or rsr type rollbars which you dont need for the road really.
good standard porsche equipment works very well on the road with a good geo set up,of which i am sure chris will do well.
Trouble is when you start replacing old for new,you start chaseing the worn parts like rear arm bushes,roll bar bushes,engine and box mounts,front a arm bushes,top mounts etc etc.
Have fun with it.
That'll be an expensive day (or days) with Chris for sure.
I did the school day at Prescott 8-9 years ago, great fun (Ettore's bend, slow in fast out ...)

smile


Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 17th April 17:03

blackmamba

821 posts

235 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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A well sorted 2.7 RS is a fantastic tool for B road blasting. Are you sure you don’t want to get Chris to set it up well in near standard form and see how you like it and if you find it still wanting, go coil overs and other mods as part of your phase 2?

I am sure Chris will give good practical advice for your desired use as he has set up plenty of similar cars before. I wouldn’t let the fact you have already bought parts spoil an excellent car!

Ask Robbo66 if a well set up RS is good on B roads!

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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blackmamba said:
A well sorted 2.7 RS is a fantastic tool for B road blasting. Are you sure you don’t want to get Chris to set it up well in near standard form and see how you like it and if you find it still wanting, go coil overs and other mods as part of your phase 2?

I am sure Chris will give good practical advice for your desired use as he has set up plenty of similar cars before. I wouldn’t let the fact you have already bought parts spoil an excellent car!

Ask Robbo66 if a well set up RS is good on B roads!
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile

Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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RSVP911 said:
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
Whatever you do Rich, DON’T watch this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eilW_m1C3FE



Slippydiff

14,742 posts

222 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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RSVP911 said:
Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
I’d like to meet your Nan, she sounds quite a lady. smile
Does she drive quicker than you Rich ??

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5N6Ei_OfcN4&t=12...

Yellow491

2,911 posts

118 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
Whatever you do Rich, DON’T watch this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eilW_m1C3FE
I bet he did not sleep last night watching that film,thats just the car i am trying to describe as a end point.

Robbo66

3,828 posts

232 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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RSVP911 said:
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
Nothing wrong with these B roads, Nan was riding shotgun wink




Cheib

23,110 posts

174 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Yellow491 said:
Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
Whatever you do Rich, DON’T watch this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eilW_m1C3FE
I bet he did not sleep last night watching that film,thats just the car i am trying to describe as a end point.
That is just utterly fantastic...the more and more I think about it that’s where I want to get to. No friggin idea where to start though!

Found this yesterday in the classifieds....I am sure given it’s Hairpin it’s Le Wrong Prix.

https://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/for-sale/1973-...


RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
Whatever you do Rich, DON’T watch this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eilW_m1C3FE
Ok I won’t - oh btw if I had watched it, the only comment I could make, as the whole thing was in Japanese , is I don’t like the bonnet mounted headlights smile

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
I’d like to meet your Nan, she sounds quite a lady. smile
Does she drive quicker than you Rich ??

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5N6Ei_OfcN4&t=12...
I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t smile

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Yellow491 said:
Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
Whatever you do Rich, DON’T watch this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eilW_m1C3FE
I bet he did not sleep last night watching that film,thats just the car i am trying to describe as a end point.
I can see an exciting journey ahead , I’ve got two choices - modify the RS as a base car or leave as is (mildly tweaked) and start again elsewhere.

Either way, I think I’ve found a new quest to keep me out of trouble as I get gracefully old smile

RSVP911

8,192 posts

132 months

Thursday 18th April 2019
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Cheib said:
Yellow491 said:
Slippydiff said:
RSVP911 said:
Thanks - in truth whatever’s been ordered was up to Chris after a 2 hour pre inspection / drive : nothing to do with me - I think the best thing to do is let him do his stuff phase one and take it from there.

Not sure I should listen to Rob as the word on the street is he drives like my nan smile
Whatever you do Rich, DON’T watch this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eilW_m1C3FE
I bet he did not sleep last night watching that film,thats just the car i am trying to describe as a end point.
That is just utterly fantastic...the more and more I think about it that’s where I want to get to. No friggin idea where to start though!

Found this yesterday in the classifieds....I am sure given it’s Hairpin it’s Le Wrong Prix.

https://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/for-sale/1973-...
Very nice - looks like we might end up on this journey together - I know you have been thinking about scratching the itch for a while now smile