Cayenne v Range Rover Sport

[Urban Rider Andy]

I've just got rid of my RR sport. As above I got fed up with the constant electrical and suspension issues. I bought used but worked out that in the time I owned it the total cost of ownership was less than if I had leased a new one. Depressing stuff. Get a Cayenne.

[jakesmith]

We've had an Evoque for 4 years (it's a 12 plate) done 60,000 miles and it has needed an ABS sensor and a new boot hatch. The last bit wasn't necessary but warranty paid.
I know the bigger ones are more complex but that's all I can say about my experience

[ooid]

Neither.

Lexus or Merc AMG

[Cheib]

Robbo66 said:

Cheib said:

Mate of mine has run four different Land Rover/Range Rovers of different types and loves them...currently got a white Velar! He’s never had any trouble...maybe he’s lucky. Another mate who has a FFRR loves his but think his dealer is/was so busy they didn’t have to try and customer service was pretty awful. They managed to order his car in the wrong spec....wrong wheels and interior!

I've just sold one....depreciation was staggering.

Velar ? Go on....

[Robbo66]

Cheib said:

Velar ? Go on....

RRS 17 plate HSE Dynamic. 12000 miles....£23k drop in 2 years.

[GR_TVR]

I have a 2016 RRS and think it's brilliant. Never had any issues with it.

Make sure you get either the HSE Dynamic or Autobiography, as they'll come with the Dynamic mode which stops any wafting in corners if you want to press on. It's amazing how flat they stay through the corners in this mode - nothing like the boaty nature of the FFRR.

I looked at the Cayenne when purchasing the RRS - I was impressed with it, felt nice inside, nice to drive etc. Just didn't feel quite as special as the RRS...and it's hideous, which doesn't help.


Best thing to do would be to go drive them both and see what you think - just make sure to try the Dynamic mode on the RRS!

[GR_TVR]

Robbo66 said:

RRS 17 plate HSE Dynamic. 12000 miles....£23k drop in 2 years.

From new?
So circa 25-30% - sounds about right?
Still a lot of money, I agree...

[chazd]

I do not think mine is a bad looker tbh!

[Cheib]

GR_TVR said:

Robbo66 said:

RRS 17 plate HSE Dynamic. 12000 miles....£23k drop in 2 years.

From new?
So circa 25-30% - sounds about right?
Still a lot of money, I agree...

I think it's "about right" to. If you run a new/nearly new car like a RRS/Cayenne etc I think £10k per annum is pretty standard. USed to be that 50% depreciation over three years was seen as good didn't it. You've obviously done less than average mileage but you get very little "credit" for that on a trade bid....unlike when you do high mileage when you get properly rogered. My 2017 Cayenne S Diesel has done 37k miles....christ knows how much that's worth!

Someone I know bought an AMG C63 Cabriolet new.....that was a big, big mistake. Halved in value in a year.

[jakesmith]

Cheib said:

I think it's "about right" to. If you run a new/nearly new car like a RRS/Cayenne etc I think £10k per annum is pretty standard. USed to be that 50% depreciation over three years was seen as good didn't it. You've obviously done less than average mileage but you get very little "credit" for that on a trade bid....unlike when you do high mileage when you get properly rogered. My 2017 Cayenne S Diesel has done 37k miles....christ knows how much that's worth!

Someone I know bought an AMG C63 Cabriolet new.....that was a big, big mistake. Halved in value in a year.

I hope he kept it a little longer - painful to look at 1 year on a car like that unless you are seriously wealthy.
VAT comes off the moment you take it away from the dealer so that's already 20% gone.
You do pay a huge premium for no-one to have sat it your car before.
I can understand it on something very high end where you can heavily personalise it but on something like a Merc what is the actual difference rather than buying a 6 or 12 month old car.
I guess the 63 cab is a very new car and maybe he wanted one when it came out. It's such a waste of money though IMO.
Could have bought an e92 M3 convertible privately and sold it a year later and maybe not lost a penny or a few k. Or something like a 2013 SL63 and again lost maybe £5K tops. Guessing the C63 was in the £80k kind of area with half of that gone forever.

[chazd]

jakesmith said:

Cheib said:

I think it's "about right" to. If you run a new/nearly new car like a RRS/Cayenne etc I think £10k per annum is pretty standard. USed to be that 50% depreciation over three years was seen as good didn't it. You've obviously done less than average mileage but you get very little "credit" for that on a trade bid....unlike when you do high mileage when you get properly rogered. My 2017 Cayenne S Diesel has done 37k miles....christ knows how much that's worth!

Someone I know bought an AMG C63 Cabriolet new.....that was a big, big mistake. Halved in value in a year.

I hope he kept it a little longer - painful to look at 1 year on a car like that unless you are seriously wealthy.
VAT comes off the moment you take it away from the dealer so that's already 20% gone.
You do pay a huge premium for no-one to have sat it your car before.
I can understand it on something very high end where you can heavily personalise it but on something like a Merc what is the actual difference rather than buying a 6 or 12 month old car.
I guess the 63 cab is a very new car and maybe he wanted one when it came out. It's such a waste of money though IMO.
Could have bought an e92 M3 convertible privately and sold it a year later and maybe not lost a penny or a few k. Or something like a 2013 SL63 and again lost maybe £5K tops. Guessing the C63 was in the £80k kind of area with half of that gone forever.

If purchased on PCP it was potentially more cost effective to buy new and take advantage of dealer contributions and lower finance rate.

[Cheib]

chazd said:

jakesmith said:

Cheib said:

I think it's "about right" to. If you run a new/nearly new car like a RRS/Cayenne etc I think £10k per annum is pretty standard. USed to be that 50% depreciation over three years was seen as good didn't it. You've obviously done less than average mileage but you get very little "credit" for that on a trade bid....unlike when you do high mileage when you get properly rogered. My 2017 Cayenne S Diesel has done 37k miles....christ knows how much that's worth!

Someone I know bought an AMG C63 Cabriolet new.....that was a big, big mistake. Halved in value in a year.

I hope he kept it a little longer - painful to look at 1 year on a car like that unless you are seriously wealthy.
VAT comes off the moment you take it away from the dealer so that's already 20% gone.
You do pay a huge premium for no-one to have sat it your car before.
I can understand it on something very high end where you can heavily personalise it but on something like a Merc what is the actual difference rather than buying a 6 or 12 month old car.
I guess the 63 cab is a very new car and maybe he wanted one when it came out. It's such a waste of money though IMO.
Could have bought an e92 M3 convertible privately and sold it a year later and maybe not lost a penny or a few k. Or something like a 2013 SL63 and again lost maybe £5K tops. Guessing the C63 was in the £80k kind of area with half of that gone forever.

If purchased on PCP it was potentially more cost effective to buy new and take advantage of dealer contributions and lower finance rate.

He bought it outright. He only realised what a bath he’d taken when it was in having some work done...salesman asked if he fancied trading it in for something else so he asked for the terms and then got quite a shock. Last I heard he was trying to sell it privately for around £55k to lessen the pain! He spoke to a mate “in the industry” who said it was just going to keep losing money. The bid was low £40k’s and it was an £80k car. Mental.

[GT3ZZZ]

OP, what did you expect on here, I hope you've posted this on the RR forum to get some balance?

[Wollemi]

I still have to blink twice check I’m awake when I come across discussions like this. The utter absurdity of building a big high heavy car with suspension travel and articulation so it can go off road, adding complex technology so it be driven off road by any one without special training, and do this brilliantly. But then because it’s going to be used by someone who will never ever take it off tarmac and doesn’t want the handling of a big heavy off road vehicle you have to add another layer of complex technology so that it can handle more like a normal car. and this usually involves fitting huge wheels and low profile tyres which guarantee it can never go off road. And then being surprised and annoyed that this complex technology sometimes breaks down.
I really just don’t get it.

And I have a Land Rover Discovery 4. Which has been pretty much reliable. (And it goes frequently off road.)

And I also don’t get the OPs statement that the Panamera is too small for his kids. How many kids has he got. Families used to fit into the original Mini.
The Panamera is not a small car. It’s huge.

[chazd]

Wollemi said:

I still have to blink twice check I’m awake when I come across discussions like this. The utter absurdity of building a big high heavy car with suspension travel and articulation so it can go off road, adding complex technology so it be driven off road by any one without special training, and do this brilliantly. But then because it’s going to be used by someone who will never ever take it off tarmac and doesn’t want the handling of a big heavy off road vehicle you have to add another layer of complex technology so that it can handle more like a normal car. and this usually involves fitting huge wheels and low profile tyres which guarantee it can never go off road. And then being surprised and annoyed that this complex technology sometimes breaks down.
I really just don’t get it.

And I have a Land Rover Discovery 4. Which has been pretty much reliable. (And it goes frequently off road.)

And I also don’t get the OPs statement that the Panamera is too small for his kids. How many kids has he got. Families used to fit into the original Mini.
The Panamera is not a small car. It’s huge.

But only has four seats...that could be the issue?

[Ken Figenus]

jakesmith said:

VAT comes off the moment you take it away from the dealer so that's already 20% gone.

Why do you say that Jake - the VAT element of the initial cost is effectively include in any second hand value? Although the VAT cant be detailed as a separate line the used 12 month old value is purchase price minus about 25% an is based on the gross selling price not nett price?

Drove the new Cayenne V8 the other day - what huge stomp it had and a lovely sound. Wasn't anything like as nimble and physics defying as my Macan but was still a great drive when pushed and around the twisties. I also tried a Volvo XC90 and heart jumped into mouth at first corner with a small swear word oozing out - immediately dismissed.

Have to say that most RR variants look better than Macan/Cayenne - Porsche is SO constrained by the slopey bonnet design thing - but for me it was all about the dynamics. This Macan is proving rather legendary - but its not much of an SUV really. I think of it as a slightly taller bigger hot hatch that isn't designed to cross ravines! SO - get a fab spec top of the range Turbo PP Macan is my innapropriate leftfield suggestion, and a roofbox if you have tons of stuff to cart about after filling it with 5 people and a big dog and 3 suitcases :-) The drive and stomp are absolutely superb - it actively seeks out Welsh B roads!

[65smoggy]

My 2 year old RR Sport Autobiography is about to be swapped for a Cayenne Coupe. Delivery in two weeks.

Had no problems with the Sport. The depreciation hasn't been too bad either. Lost £20k (about 25% or 58p per mile) in 24 months and 34k miles. Just fancied a change.

Will report back in a couple of weeks when i have the Cayenne.

[Drl22]

Wollemi said:

I still have to blink twice check I’m awake when I come across discussions like this. The utter absurdity of building a big high heavy car with suspension travel and articulation so it can go off road, adding complex technology so it be driven off road by any one without special training, and do this brilliantly. But then because it’s going to be used by someone who will never ever take it off tarmac and doesn’t want the handling of a big heavy off road vehicle you have to add another layer of complex technology so that it can handle more like a normal car. and this usually involves fitting huge wheels and low profile tyres which guarantee it can never go off road. And then being surprised and annoyed that this complex technology sometimes breaks down.
I really just don’t get it.

And I have a Land Rover Discovery 4. Which has been pretty much reliable. (And it goes frequently off road.)

And I also don’t get the OPs statement that the Panamera is too small for his kids. How many kids has he got. Families used to fit into the original Mini.
The Panamera is not a small car. It’s huge.

Not sure I need to explain myself to you but you’ve clearly not owned and lived with a Panamera. The boot is deep but exceptionally shallow so objects such as prams and dogs do not fit well together! As has also been pointed out there are only 4 seats and the seats are also at such an angle that a car seat, with isofix or without, means the babies head falls forward under any kind of acceleration and is frankly dangerous. You’re right, it’s not going off road either but is that a prerequisite for buying one? It’s either this or a people carrier and I know which route I’d choose!

[Ken Figenus]

There is the Panamera 'estate' Sport Turismo which may be more practical


However, dogs, prams, kids, weekends away an SUV works very well despite the hate from some quarters. And if I was still in my fast estate family car solution I would have missed the wife's birthday in Feb and still be spinning its rear wheels somewhere around Bath in the snow! Bloody love it!

[AlasdairB10]

If its a company car (I may have missed whether it is or not) the hybrid Cayenne doesnt get anywhere near the Hybrid HSE or an Inscription XC90 on base spec and optioning up is expensive. Cayenne for handling though. RRS seems ok - I've got one on demo next week for two weeks if anyone wants to hear my thoughts. Currently have an XC90 demo which seems a bit soft.