781 Cayman/Boxster Touring

781 Cayman/Boxster Touring

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Yidwann

Original Poster:

783 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th May
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So it looks like, some prayers might be answered, a car that you can spec, all the latest toys, and a 6 Cylinder engine, that a mere peon in the Porsche Purchasing Pyramid might be able to buy?

Sign me up, anyone heard anymore? Might have to pimp myself out of a few OPC's at the weekend! Didn't want to derail the GT4 thread any more with it!

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-porsche/porsch...

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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Mules were spotted late last year (from memory) and it's coming late this year according to the rumour mill. It's going to be called the "718 Cayman 6" or "718 Boxster 6".

Some info here: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/porsche-to-offer...

Given how Porsche work, it's likely to sit above a 718 GTS but below a 718 Spyder/GT4. So around £70k base or ££80k+ optioned up?

If it only has 380bhp and a non-GT chassis I certainly won't be bothering to change from my 981 GTS into one - it'll cost me £30k to change. The same as the change to a 981 GT4. The mules we've seen aren't "GT4 with Touring Pack" cars like the GT3. Look at the size of the PCCBs on the mules, the 718-6 has the more normal sized PCCBs from the F4T 718 Cayman, whereas the GT4 mule has the larger GT-style versions.

So the 718-6 is basically a 718-4 with a different engine, the chassis is probably the same as the regular 718 models:




Yidwann

Original Poster:

783 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th May
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Twinfan said:
If it only has 380bhp and a non-GT chassis I certainly won't be bothering to change from my 981 GTS into one - it'll cost me £30k to change.
Yeah, if I had, or could find a 981S or GTS then this wouldn't be an issue, S's are rare and add Manual's into that mix and you're into single figures about. I'm jealous of what you already have.

Twinfan said:
So the 718-6 is basically a 718-4 with a different engine, the chassis is probably the same as the regaulr 718 models
And that will do me just fine, I wasn't expecting the full flavour GT4 like the GT3 touring, or really need it, it will be a road car.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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Blummin' expensive for a non-GT Cayster though, and we don't know the impact of the GPF on the engine yet...


GT4P

3,701 posts

126 months

Thursday 16th May
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Sounds like they are going to share the same 4.0l engine with Gt4/spyder/gt3 which makes financial sense, don't care if doesn't come with GT suspension I will take mine with X73 and folding buckets, oh and manual of course as long as it is not that 7 speed affair in 991.
Imagine same price as 718gts circa £70k with right bits, still think Gt4 base will be about £85k so a 718/6 maybe the sweet spot.
Just a thought reminds me of the 914/4 and 914/6 scenario
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Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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GT4P said:
Sounds like they are going to share the same 4.0l engine with Gt4/spyder/gt3
Except they will be detuned, so a detuned-detuned 4.0ltr engine. Doesn't sound great when you put it like that does it?

Yidwann

Original Poster:

783 posts

151 months

Thursday 16th May
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Twinfan said:
Except they will be detuned, so a detuned-detuned 4.0ltr engine. Doesn't sound great when you put it like that does it?
You have to take what you can get laugh

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Thursday 16th May
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Keeps being referred to as 'Touring' but it's clearly not a GT Touring a la GT3 Touring. It's a non GT car.

Don't think it's a 'Touring'. As above, it's the '718 6' and falls into Blume's so-called third pillar of 'lifestyle' cars, where the other two pillars are standard sports cars and the GT cars.

Can't see it having the GT3 4.0-litre. Might be 4.0-litre but the GT engine would be far too expensive for this car, I suspect. ITBs etc? Can't see it. Pity if it is a 4.0-litre tuned to 380hp. Would far prefer to see this thing with a smaller, peakier engine. But that's what happens when you give clueless punters what they want. 4.0 being a punter-friendly engine capacity, because GT3 etc.

That said, it will still be a welcome addition to the range.

TDT

1,366 posts

60 months

Thursday 16th May
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Info i received on the weekend is that it will essentially be an engine option addition to the existing range.
Its not a GT car, and has the regular series chassis and options.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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Just like I said then smile

Any ideas on the donor car? Base/S/GTS/T?

GT4P

3,701 posts

126 months

Thursday 16th May
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We all know it's not going to be a full fat gt3 engine but the gt4 is being touted as a detuned gt3 engine which it will most likely won't be , but porsche will share the gt4 engine across as many cars as it can like before when the 3.8 was in the 997.2s/Gts and 991.1 s/Gts etc gt4/spyder.
Yes a detuned 4.0l doesn't sound great but if it's making around 400hp with the new throttle bodies it might not be too bad.
The third pillar sounds to me like a half way point between regular sports cars for the masses who don't care wether it's a 4 or 6 cylinder and GT cars ie something a bit more of a drivers car without the spoilers and track focus.
So a 718/6 slots in nicely , I mean will all miss Porsche making regular na flat6 caysters .It could be the missing link since the 987.2 and now with better steering and PCM than the 981.
We will just have to wait and see

TDT

1,366 posts

60 months

Thursday 16th May
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Twinfan said:
Just like I said then smile

Any ideas on the donor car? Base/S/GTS/T?
They are all the same? - there aren't any body in white differences between these cars - its just engine and suspension options?
If you mean in terms of package - I'd say that Porsche will likely trim the line down... someone said it before... basically a 4 and a 6. and then you choose your trim equipment level... so more package based?

That might make it easier for them to get through the WLTP regs.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

Thursday 16th May
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Sorry, yes I meant trim/wheel/suspension package e.g. GTS and T have alcantara, but Base and S do not. Base doesn't have S-PASM etc.

Probably to early to say what the '6' will have available?

Edited by Twinfan on Thursday 16th May 17:23

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Interesting thing about this car is that it would mean there’s a non GT nasp Cayster, but not 911...

Interesting to see how it plays. Will sit a little oddly in the range, whatever...

ags11

387 posts

81 months

cmoose said:
Interesting thing about this car is that it would mean there’s a non GT nasp Cayster, but not 911...

Interesting to see how it plays. Will sit a little oddly in the range, whatever...
This is the thing. Being able to buy a NA Cayman when a base 911 has a turbo 6 is a bit of a quandary? Badge snobbery and rear seats aside of course.
Will these "third option" line of cars include a non GT NA 911?
It'd certainly justify developing the engine for more units. How they'd do this without effecting sales of the turbos and keeping emissions targets, I dunno.. Production would have to be limited?

Bob-2146

162 posts

13 months

Will be limited run of 1200 due to emissions ?

https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1029...

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Hard to know.

But the emissions thing would only be relevant to Europe, and I believe the US is where the F4T has hurt sales more. Think the 718 has done OK in Europe?

So perhaps supply will be limited in Europe but less so in the US.

1,200 doesn't seem many given the price won't be that high in the scheme of things. It costs money to type approve a car and bring it to market generally and the lower the volume, the higher the margin cost per unit. That's OK with a £200k+ Speedster with loads of margin. But how much money is there in 1,200 718 6s presumably priced well under £100k?

We'll see but I'd be surprised to see overall production limited to 1,200 units, that's for sure. Maybe 1,200 for Europe.

TDT

1,366 posts

60 months

Based on what i've understood that might be total production for 2019 especially considering that they won't be delivered until September earliest? They will then have further production in 2020.

Artificially limit supply or declare that there will be a limited number - get all of those sold and then produce some more next year.
Scarcity will be implied - which will keep the perception of exclusivity and value high. We have seen this a lot.

cmoose

44,330 posts

170 months

Sounds plausible.

Twinfan

3,607 posts

45 months

I'd say that 1200 figure is for the UK for 2019. First batch of GT4, Spyder, Boxster-6 and Cayman-6 at 300 units each?