New Taycan Vid

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Cheib

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174 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Johnny Smith of Fifth Gear fame and now Fully Charged has just released a vid of him test driving the Taycan....first journalist to do so apparently. According to his “guessiwork” launch car will be the top spec “Turbo” and roughly £120k...next 18 months will see cars in different specs released including a RWD version. Base car will be £65k. He described pricing as being “in between Cayenne and Panamera”

Have to say I really like the look of it. Have my name down for one but don’t want a £120k version!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP9kokeyxGU

Porsche guy

3,465 posts

226 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Great thanks smile

Yellow T

370 posts

71 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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Really enjoyed watching this so thanks for posting. I have registered interest in the Taycan and if the government keeps the company car tax incentives going as planned for next April this is going to be popular.

RDMcG

19,093 posts

206 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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It is certainly a critical car for Porsche. Lost of orders for them here in Canada.

I will wait to see first year production but it is a possibility in a couple of years' time.

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

182 months

Friday 9th August 2019
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I’m involved to a very lesser degree in the automotive electrification process. Having discussed the near future with a senior exec in the industry the fundamental flaw is the battery technology currently available. To get to current hydrocarbon equivalence needs a 20x improvement over current technology.

The current crop of fully bev cars are very flawed and even the next gen will be a halfway house. Personally I would stick with ice or hybrids for the next 2-5 years before the fully electrical systems are up to speed.

BobM

886 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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BubblesNW said:
I’m involved to a very lesser degree in the automotive electrification process. Having discussed the near future with a senior exec in the industry the fundamental flaw is the battery technology currently available. To get to current hydrocarbon equivalence needs a 20x improvement over current technology.

The current crop of fully bev cars are very flawed and even the next gen will be a halfway house. Personally I would stick with ice or hybrids for the next 2-5 years before the fully electrical systems are up to speed.
In what way are they flawed? And what do you mean by hydrocarbon equivalence? What does "up to speed" mean?

Granted we'd all like the batteries to be cheaper and lighter, and we're seeing that happen over time. My daily driver for two and a half years has been a Tesla Model S and I don't feel like I've had to compromise anything since swapping it for my Cayenne Diesel. I don't miss the £100+ tank of diesel every fortnight, the equivalent electricity costs me about £15 and the car charges while I'm asleep so charge speed is somewhat irrelevant. It's fast, comfortable and good to drive. I've done 32k miles including trips all over the UK and to Europe. There are plenty of guys who do many more miles than me, 50k miles pa isn't uncommon, and experience so far is there's minimal battery degradation and the charging infrastructure is already there. The main flaw I can see at the moment is cost.

I've got my name down for a Taycan, whatever that means! It worries me that although my dealer assures me my names on his little list, we're hearing about 20,000 deposits having been taken over in Europe so there's a good risk of being at the end of a very long queue! I'm sure it will be a brilliant car, but have no doubt that Porsche are still playing catchup with Tesla technology-wise. The performance of the Taycan is about the same as the Tesla Model 3 performance costing about half as much.

hunter 66

3,886 posts

219 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Agree ... with an RS and an X , the EV is just fine already ...

AndrewD

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283 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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When you say the Tesla charging infrastructure is “already there” what do you mean?

I live on the Suffolk coast and there are hardly any charging points, certainly not that I’ve seen.

BobM

886 posts

254 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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AndrewD said:
When you say the Tesla charging infrastructure is “already there” what do you mean?

I live on the Suffolk coast and there are hardly any charging points, certainly not that I’ve seen.
It's already there throughout the UK. People who don't have EVs assume they need chargers near to them. I live about 18 miles from the Tesla Superchargers at Sarn Park on the M4 but have very rarely used them. With an effective range of 200-300 miles, depending on weather, driving conditions etc., the only time I need Superchargers is when I'm venturing well away from home - I travel to Manchester on business fairly regularly and elsewhere around the UK, often heading east down the M4. So the ones I use most are Keele on the M6, Hopwood Park on the M42 and Membury on the M4.

Of course, I completely accept that you might have a specific pattern of driving that doesn't work for the current infrastructure, for example if you want to do 300 miles a day around Suffolk, although there are Superchargers at Thetford and Birchanger. But I suggest that if you do a lot of miles, and you had a Tesla, those are the chargers you would be least likely to use, apart from perhaps a quick top-up if you're running low on the way home.

The reality is that most EV charging is done on the drive at home, some is done at destination chargers (hotels, car parks etc when staying away from home). Since getting my car in March 2017 I've used a total of 14.3MWh of electricity, of which only 2.3MWh has been at Superchargers.

As Porsche, Audi, VW etc. get on board with EVs we're likely to see a ramping up of the non-Tesla rapid chargers throughout the UK which remain sparse - I think I'd struggle with a Taycan at present to be honest.

Cheib

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Saturday 10th August 2019
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BobM said:
It's already there [url]

As Porsche, Audi, VW etc. get on board with EVs we're likely to see a ramping up of the non-Tesla rapid chargers throughout the UK which remain sparse - I think I'd struggle with a Taycan at present to be honest.
The major German manufacturers have already committed to building a Supercharger network on continental “motorways”, I am sure we’ll be getting something similar in the UK. I wouldn’t be surprised if Brexit is to blame for that commitment not being in the UK too. Will definitely be an issue for some people as you say.

We do a lot of miles as a family...30k per year. Apart from a couple of trips to Europe each year a 300 mile range and being able to charge overnight at home would be absolutely fine for us. Where I can see there will be an issue quite quickly is places like Welcome Break/Travel Lodges on motorway networks....people will be expecting to stay at theses hotels and leave their cars on charge overnight. Relatively simple fix but someone needs to invest.

Porsche guy

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226 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Also, there is the issue that some don't have a garage and roadside park, I'm sure there's going to be quite a lot of the population that won't be catered for without rows of charging points down every street?

In the village I live there isn't a charging point within 15 miles

Cheib

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Saturday 10th August 2019
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Porsche guy said:
Also, there is the issue that some don't have a garage and roadside park, I'm sure there's going to be quite a lot of the population that won't be catered for without rows of charging points down every street?

In the village I live there isn't a charging point within 15 miles
Yup. I lived in London for 20 years and had on street parking....the first place I lived in I was lucky if I could park within 50m of my flat. Logistics for people with on street parking are problematic to say the least!

Klippie

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144 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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I'am sure this Porsche will be fine car and go very well, however if the reaction to Porsche fitting a flat four instead of a six in a car is anything to go by I can't imagine one making no noise at all will be favourably received by the Porsche masses.

burman

355 posts

212 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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EVs will be fine for some people but they are all too heavy and quiet for me Taycan will be !.8 tons performance not an issue with EVs but long term its the car becoming a white good.
Currently EVs are 1% of market only another 35 million sales to go!

RDMcG

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206 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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I will be interested in seeing if Porsche does a good job on the whole software / services interface side.

Typically they are well engineered cars but the various connected services and driver interface are miles behind other manufacturers. I have a number of Porsches including current Panamera and compared to a BMW or a higher end Japanese car they seem five years out of date. How long has BMW had stuff like HUD?
Nissan has superb on line services. Tesla does it’s upgrades remotely overnight.

The next gen drivers will regard this stuff as basic. It’s more than just an EV these days.

Cheib

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Sunday 11th August 2019
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RDMcG said:
I will be interested in seeing if Porsche does a good job on the whole software / services interface side.

Typically they are well engineered cars but the various connected services and driver interface are miles behind other manufacturers. I have a number of Porsches including current Panamera and compared to a BMW or a higher end Japanese car they seem five years out of date. How long has BMW had stuff like HUD?
Nissan has superb on line services. Tesla does it’s upgrades remotely overnight.

The next gen drivers will regard this stuff as basic. It’s more than just an EV these days.
Judging by teething problems that Pany, Cayenne etc have had and indeed some of the issues with 992 don't think I'd want an early car regardless. Funny you say that about BMW, I've had a couple of BMW rental cars in the last month and I really missed my Porrsche PCM with Apple Carplay...I know BMW offers it too but wasn't on the cars I had. Also the interior quality of the BMW's was pretty poor and they were pretty dull to drive....think they have really lost there way as a brand. BMW's big USP for me was the quality of there engines even in the lower spec cars....like everyone else they have blown 4 cyl whcih are just dull. Mt first BMW was a 1995 320i with a straight six engine....what a lovely thing that was!

RDMcG

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206 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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Cheib said:
Judging by teething problems that Pany, Cayenne etc have had and indeed some of the issues with 992 don't think I'd want an early car regardless. Funny you say that about BMW, I've had a couple of BMW rental cars in the last month and I really missed my Porrsche PCM with Apple Carplay...I know BMW offers it too but wasn't on the cars I had. Also the interior quality of the BMW's was pretty poor and they were pretty dull to drive....think they have really lost there way as a brand. BMW's big USP for me was the quality of there engines even in the lower spec cars....like everyone else they have blown 4 cyl whcih are just dull. Mt first BMW was a 1995 320i with a straight six engine....what a lovely thing that was!
I agree that they are not what they were. I had a whole series of BMWs, but never bought one after 2006.

Still, was driving an Alpina recently and it was superb inside, and the driver interface just blew the Panamera away. Apple talk is fine of course, but it is an Apple product,- its more the stuff outside of Apple that seems a bit amateurish. Dense menus that make it complicated to do thing like adjusting A/C, a remote view that tells me amazingly useful stuff like the amount of fuel in the car, and so on.

I am not a huge fan of Tesla, and have driven most of them, but they are intelligently connected. I would think that Porsche should have someone out of Apple or the like review the whole user interface, and I saw this as someone who owns and likes Porsche in general.

Murph7355

37,648 posts

255 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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Liking this a lot (will look great with the disguise stickers removed too).

I can see me looking into one in a few years' time.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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BubblesNW said:
Personally I would stick with ice or hybrids for the next 2-5 years before the fully electrical systems are up to speed.
IIRC if you own a business(es) or have a company car, the new BIK rules for EVs from April 2020 are extremely generous; effectively you are personally taxed on a benefit of £1,500, but the company can reclaim 100% of the cost of the vehicle and also charging points, both of which are grant assisted too.

PSB1

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103 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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A limited review, still makes we want one. A lot - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP9kokeyxGU&fe...