Whats going on with the 991 Turbo S market?

[Dogbash]

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/911-Turbo-S-Co...

Not too long ago you couldn't buy one of these for less than 100k. There are now several about lower than £90k and this one seems exceptional value. Especially when the 997 Turbo S is similar money.

Andrew

[Juno]

It’s a lot of car and performance for the money,does it have lift or is that standard on S

[IMI A]

Over 50% of MRSP at 5 years old and 40k + miles? Seems expensive to me. £140k new so even at £70k I don't think its cheap. One hell of a daily though no doubt. Lift an option.

I think with air-cooled , 997, 991, GT cars we've become desensitised to ridiculous Porsche residuals.

[FrankCayman]

Dogbash said:

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/911-Turbo-S-Co...

Not too long ago you couldn't buy one of these for less than 100k. There are now several about lower than £90k and this one seems exceptional value. Especially when the 997 Turbo S is similar money.

Andrew

Off topic, but ...jeez....what an awfully prepared car for sale....look at the state of those exhaust pipes!!! Let alone the steering wheel still having the previous owners skin and sweat all over it!

When I see crap preps like this...I start to wonder what else they may have missed under the skin.

[Cheib]

Looks like it’s both the oldest and highest mileage car at an OPC....so I think it should be cheap. Think it’s the right price/maybe a little bit cheaper compared to some other cars but the market is weak so not a surprise in some ways.

[Juno]

There are some really nice ones for a little bit more,it makes all the difference!

[Wilmslowboy]

This one has been for sale for a month, price starts with a 7, and only 28k miles

I was offered it before the ad went life, I would have bought it, had I not purchased my Cayenne Turbo 10 days before.







Full details are on a PH ad (I won't link as against the rule)

[David W.]

FrankCayman said:

Off topic, but ...jeez....what an awfully prepared car for sale....look at the state of those exhaust pipes!!! Let alone the steering wheel still having the previous owners skin and sweat all over it!

When I see crap preps like this...I start to wonder what else they may have missed under the skin.

They sometimes get pics up before they are prepped for sale, if they get prepped and warranted then don't sell for so many weeks they have to do the checks again. Could be on SOR in which case they wont plié time into the car until it sell.
Ive not had a S/H car out of an OPC that hasn’t been presented in as new condition.

[joinery80]

This was 85k the other week I reckon 80k would buy it which makes it as cheap as a non s good value

[EGTE]

Look where 996 Turbos got to in order to see where these are going.

Not sure why it's a surprise, TBH.

[APOLO1]

Are the recent as in past 6 months or so price drops on 991s Turbos more to do with that the 992 911 Turbo S is just around the corner. Recall this same thing happened on the 997 ones Just before the 991s Turbo s came out.

[Cheib]

You could argue the Turbo is losing a bit of its lustre. How many people really need a Turbo S over a Carrera 4 GTS now? With the whole range being turbocharged and the performance on offer from more humble 911’s it’s got less differentiation that it had and that outright performance advantage is almost irrelevant on the public road.

[nunpuncher]

Definitely think that all new 911s having a turbo has eroded a bit of the turbo mystic. Also, the uninitiated are probably more likely to conveniently finance a 992 at that price.

[IMI A]

Cheib said:

You could argue the Turbo is losing a bit of its lustre. How many people really need a Turbo S over a Carrera 4 GTS now? With the whole range being turbocharged and the performance on offer from more humble 911’s it’s got less differentiation that it had and that outright performance advantage is almost irrelevant on the public road.

Agree.

I think the new 992 C2S and C4S could easily be called turbos in terms of the experience they give. Such a good package full fat turbo redundant or even the GTS which will be due at some stage no doubt with circa 500bhp. PDK makes the 385bhp so fast with all that turbo torque 9/10 situations the base Carrera hardly any different unless you want to look like a complete lunatic at full chat in a 640bhp turbo s on the road! I tend to run around in slower cars nowadays and enjoy them lots.

So C2/4 385bhp

C2S/C4S 450bhp

GTS/4GTS 500bhp?

Turbo 600bhp?

Turbo S 640bhp?

[Gameface]

Similarly powerful McLaren 540/570's have dropped to the same level I believe.

[Cheib]

IMI A said:

Cheib said:

You could argue the Turbo is losing a bit of its lustre. How many people really need a Turbo S over a Carrera 4 GTS now? With the whole range being turbocharged and the performance on offer from more humble 911’s it’s got less differentiation that it had and that outright performance advantage is almost irrelevant on the public road.

Agree.

I think the new 992 C2S and C4S could easily be called turbos in terms of the experience they give. Such a good package full fat turbo redundant or even the GTS which will be due at some stage no doubt with circa 500bhp. PDK makes the 385bhp so fast with all that turbo torque 9/10 situations the base Carrera hardly any different unless you want to look like a complete lunatic at full chat in a 640bhp turbo s on the road! I tend to run around in slower cars nowadays and enjoy them lots.

So C2/4 385bhp

C2S/C4S 450bhp

GTS/4GTS 500bhp?

Turbo 600bhp?

Turbo S 640bhp?

Looks about right doesn’t it. The C2S has a 0-60 of 3.4 sec IIRC so .4 sec behind a 991.2 Turbo S. They’ve made the base Carrera so good there’s very little room left for all the derivatives !

The 992 Turbo S won’t even be top dog for that long. The first Hybrid 911 is coming with 992.2 and will have over 700 bhp....badged similarly to the range topping Panamera and new Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid.

[Welshbeef]

Cheib said:

Looks about right doesn’t it. The C2S has a 0-60 of 3.4 sec IIRC so .4 sec behind a 991.2 Turbo S. They’ve made the base Carrera so good there’s very little room left for all the derivatives !

The 992 Turbo S won’t even be top dog for that long. The first Hybrid 911 is coming with 992.2 and will have over 700 bhp....badged similarly to the range topping Panamera and new Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid.

3.4 seconds is bloody quick for the lower model - considering the new RS6 will do it in 3,6 seconds and he E63 S 4 matic similar.

[IMI A]

Cheib said:

IMI A said:

Cheib said:

You could argue the Turbo is losing a bit of its lustre. How many people really need a Turbo S over a Carrera 4 GTS now? With the whole range being turbocharged and the performance on offer from more humble 911’s it’s got less differentiation that it had and that outright performance advantage is almost irrelevant on the public road.

Agree.

I think the new 992 C2S and C4S could easily be called turbos in terms of the experience they give. Such a good package full fat turbo redundant or even the GTS which will be due at some stage no doubt with circa 500bhp. PDK makes the 385bhp so fast with all that turbo torque 9/10 situations the base Carrera hardly any different unless you want to look like a complete lunatic at full chat in a 640bhp turbo s on the road! I tend to run around in slower cars nowadays and enjoy them lots.

So C2/4 385bhp

C2S/C4S 450bhp

GTS/4GTS 500bhp?

Turbo 600bhp?

Turbo S 640bhp?

Looks about right doesn’t it. The C2S has a 0-60 of 3.4 sec IIRC so .4 sec behind a 991.2 Turbo S. They’ve made the base Carrera so good there’s very little room left for all the derivatives !

The 992 Turbo S won’t even be top dog for that long. The first Hybrid 911 is coming with 992.2 and will have over 700 bhp....badged similarly to the range topping Panamera and new Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid.

Gen 2 992 turbo s e-hybrid will sell well in my view with major cities limiting emissions or in some cases electric only in the nr future.

I hear 992 turbo s going to be approaching £200k! Should keep 991 fairly solid residuals wise.

Also crashing out of EU could be a money spinner for govt with a luxury car tax so may have to add another 20% to these prestige German cars moving forward. Fill your boots boys

[APOLO1]

Cheib said:

You could argue the Turbo is losing a bit of its lustre. How many people really need a Turbo S over a Carrera 4 GTS now? With the whole range being turbocharged and the performance on offer from more humble 911’s it’s got less differentiation that it had and that outright performance advantage is almost irrelevant on the public road.

Good point, i thought that the 992 C2s, with its 450bhp felt a bit quicker than the same power in the likes of the 991.2GTS.

https://www.motor1.com/news/366840/2020-porsche-91...

Also its not always about the speed even more so on UK roads with more a more average speed cameras.

[Cheib]

IMI A said:

I hear 992 turbo s going to be approaching £200k! Should keep 991 fairly solid residuals wise.

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If that’s right it surely has implications for GT cars pricing as well....there’s a sliding scale which will be needed to justify that price. Would also put UK prices more in line with Europe.