Anyone placed an Order for the Taycan yet?
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Where are you going to fastcharge it? Not many 800 Volt fastchargers up here in Norfolk!!
According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
Porsche video of Taycan's being made on the production line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNowAuiTvEE
burman said:
Where are you going to fastcharge it? Not many 800 Volt fastchargers up here in Norfolk!!
According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
There is also the amount of the superchargers available in the confinds of the present infrastructure.The guy i spoke to from the National grid just laughed when he talked about it, the availabilty is years away and he says demand will outstrip supply and the government will step in as no one wants to invest in it.According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
burman said:
Where are you going to fastcharge it? Not many 800 Volt fastchargers up here in Norfolk!!
According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
In fairness to the Taycan, this is only a problem when heading out on a more than 250(?) mile roundtrip, which I can count how many times I do a year on one hand. It’s just nice to know that if you are going to have to stop, the inconvenience is minimal. According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
Otherwise it’s fully charged every morning like your phone surely...
As I understand it, the first year 100% WDA (which for some entities could see a 40% rebate of the purchase price in year 1) only applies to NEW capital spend and not second-hand stuff so I struggle to see how a used Taycan will command anywhere near list after the initial sales demand has eased.
I’m also not sure that £150k is not too rich for a sports saloon, a sector that has changed recently with the introduction of leccy power - turning almost everything with a battery into rocketships.
In the old days if you wanted 4/5 seats and pace it involved a big thirsty engine and M5 or Panamera pricing. Today a £40k Tesla will do the job and is faster than you’d every need on British roads.
I’m also not sure that £150k is not too rich for a sports saloon, a sector that has changed recently with the introduction of leccy power - turning almost everything with a battery into rocketships.
In the old days if you wanted 4/5 seats and pace it involved a big thirsty engine and M5 or Panamera pricing. Today a £40k Tesla will do the job and is faster than you’d every need on British roads.
tedblog said:
burman said:
Where are you going to fastcharge it? Not many 800 Volt fastchargers up here in Norfolk!!
According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
There is also the amount of the superchargers available in the confinds of the present infrastructure.The guy i spoke to from the National grid just laughed when he talked about it, the availabilty is years away and he says demand will outstrip supply and the government will step in as no one wants to invest in it.According to Andrew English in the Telegraph there is a LOT of waiting with all EVs
Waiting for a spare(slow) recharge slot- if you can find one in the first place.
Waiting while (slowly) recharging
Waiting to get on the waiting list for the thing in the first place!! See above comments.
I am impressed with the interest shown in the Taycan on here but for me life is far to short to give up on ICE cars yet and I will be the last person in the UK to change to a white goods EV.
Was chatting to someone who works for an OEM today...specifically on their next generation of electric cars due to market in about five years time. He said that battery tech wasn’t going to get much better by then but production volume will bring prices down. So Porsche won’t be brining out a Taycan with a 500 mile range any time soon.
MrOrange said:
As I understand it, the first year 100% WDA (which for some entities could see a 40% rebate of the purchase price in year 1) only applies to NEW capital spend and not second-hand stuff so I struggle to see how a used Taycan will command anywhere near list after the initial sales demand has eased.
I’m also not sure that £150k is not too rich for a sports saloon, a sector that has changed recently with the introduction of leccy power - turning almost everything with a battery into rocketships.
In the old days if you wanted 4/5 seats and pace it involved a big thirsty engine and M5 or Panamera pricing. Today a £40k Tesla will do the job and is faster than you’d every need on British roads.
My point exactly. So a 1 year old £150k Taycan is going to loose a lot of money, and after 3 years I hate to think what an OPC will offer.I’m also not sure that £150k is not too rich for a sports saloon, a sector that has changed recently with the introduction of leccy power - turning almost everything with a battery into rocketships.
In the old days if you wanted 4/5 seats and pace it involved a big thirsty engine and M5 or Panamera pricing. Today a £40k Tesla will do the job and is faster than you’d every need on British roads.
DMC2 said:
MrOrange said:
As I understand it, the first year 100% WDA (which for some entities could see a 40% rebate of the purchase price in year 1) only applies to NEW capital spend and not second-hand stuff so I struggle to see how a used Taycan will command anywhere near list after the initial sales demand has eased.
I’m also not sure that £150k is not too rich for a sports saloon, a sector that has changed recently with the introduction of leccy power - turning almost everything with a battery into rocketships.
In the old days if you wanted 4/5 seats and pace it involved a big thirsty engine and M5 or Panamera pricing. Today a £40k Tesla will do the job and is faster than you’d every need on British roads.
My point exactly. So a 1 year old £150k Taycan is going to loose a lot of money, and after 3 years I hate to think what an OPC will offer.I’m also not sure that £150k is not too rich for a sports saloon, a sector that has changed recently with the introduction of leccy power - turning almost everything with a battery into rocketships.
In the old days if you wanted 4/5 seats and pace it involved a big thirsty engine and M5 or Panamera pricing. Today a £40k Tesla will do the job and is faster than you’d every need on British roads.
Another fat and lardy Eco ? car.
Not the way to go.
When will people get it into their heads that 'Green means low weight, economical power use, recycle-able ?
What is the point of replacing a big petrol or diesel fuelled engine with a big electric motor and a big fuel tank with a big battery ?
Lithium is likely to be an essential fuel component of sustainable Fusion power ... what we have may last us 100,000 years ... but the Chinese are trying to corner the market.
But if we have a future somebody will need to deal with the fake information that influences our choices ... mine included.
Discuss
Not the way to go.
When will people get it into their heads that 'Green means low weight, economical power use, recycle-able ?
What is the point of replacing a big petrol or diesel fuelled engine with a big electric motor and a big fuel tank with a big battery ?
Lithium is likely to be an essential fuel component of sustainable Fusion power ... what we have may last us 100,000 years ... but the Chinese are trying to corner the market.
But if we have a future somebody will need to deal with the fake information that influences our choices ... mine included.
Discuss
Cheib said:
It’s an interesting point...if people can write off 40% of the value of the car in Year 1 they won’t be too fussy about the trade in.
My Taycan Turbo comes to £120K after the £3.5K government grant..As i intend paying for it through my non Ltd business and a high rate tax payer then the whole £120K can be offset against my taxable income..This is in effect a 45% discount which on top of the £3.5K grant makes it a cheap car to own..No road tax and as i happen to own a large commercial solar panel system, virtually free and unlimited fuel..Total no-brainer for me personally although i fully understand not so much for others in a different situation..I'm nearly as excited picking my Taycan up as my new RS..Sad but true..!
Taffy66 said:
Cheib said:
It’s an interesting point...if people can write off 40% of the value of the car in Year 1 they won’t be too fussy about the trade in.
My Taycan Turbo comes to £120K after the £3.5K government grant..As i intend paying for it through my non Ltd business and a high rate tax payer then the whole £120K can be offset against my taxable income..This is in effect a 45% discount which on top of the £3.5K grant makes it a cheap car to own..No road tax and as i happen to own a large commercial solar panel system, virtually free and unlimited fuel..Total no-brainer for me personally although i fully understand not so much for others in a different situation..I'm nearly as excited picking my Taycan up as my new RS..Sad but true..!
Cheib said:
The major European OEM’s have taken this into their own hands in Europe...they’re investing in a build out across the Motorway network. No idea why that hasn’t happened here...guessing the current political instability is responsible for them not investing here given we’re a huge market.
Was chatting to someone who works for an OEM today...specifically on their next generation of electric cars due to market in about five years time. He said that battery tech wasn’t going to get much better by then but production volume will bring prices down. So Porsche won’t be brining out a Taycan with a 500 mile range any time soon.
Our Government arent interested at all , they want to to have private investment and because the tech is advancing so quickly your investment could be worthless.Was chatting to someone who works for an OEM today...specifically on their next generation of electric cars due to market in about five years time. He said that battery tech wasn’t going to get much better by then but production volume will bring prices down. So Porsche won’t be brining out a Taycan with a 500 mile range any time soon.
Lithium is a limited resourse and and causing major issues https://www.solarplants.org.uk/lithium-mining-envi... recycled lithium isnt pure enough to reuse in batteries.
Fission is hopefully the future , it works we know that because of the atom bomb its just containing it.
Edited by tedblog on Monday 7th October 07:44
Taffy66 said:
My Taycan Turbo comes to £120K after the £3.5K government grant..As i intend paying for it through my non Ltd business and a high rate tax payer then the whole £120K can be offset against my taxable income..This is in effect a 45% discount which on top of the £3.5K grant makes it a cheap car to own..No road tax and as i happen to own a large commercial solar panel system, virtually free and unlimited fuel..
Total no-brainer for me personally although i fully understand not so much for others in a different situation..I'm nearly as excited picking my Taycan up as my new RS..Sad but true..!
This ^^^ is roughly what I did in 2015 when buying my BMW i8. It really has been one of real-world cheapest cars I’ve owned. The Taycan will sell like hot cakes, just not such a strong secondhand proposition either from a purchase (no write-down allowance) or sell proposition, much like the i8.Total no-brainer for me personally although i fully understand not so much for others in a different situation..I'm nearly as excited picking my Taycan up as my new RS..Sad but true..!
As with most people who have purely electric cars you will adapt the journeys you make, mainly you will keep in its range. The batteries degrade over time they reckon about 5% , A new batteries set for a Tesla is around £20k so after the 10 year warranty expires your car will plumment. At present the 7 people i know who have Teslas have all bought them through theirs companies i dont know any private buyers. At present electric cars are a novelty , when its mainstream and the likes of housing estates with multi car occupancy and on street parking i really struggle to see how it will work. When we have cold winters in the UK we are warned of possible black outs due to high demand . Can you imagine what it will be like when you are trying to charge an extra few hundred thousand cars as well?
Most of the UK’s electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels, mainly natural gas (42% in 2016) and coal (9% in 2016). A very small amount is produced from other fuels (3.1% in 2016). The volume of electricity generated by coal and gas-fired power stations changes each year, with some switching between the two depending on fuel prices.We import 99% of that , we even import 10% of our electricity . Just hope we arnt help to ransom in the furure like we are on oil?
Most of the UK’s electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels, mainly natural gas (42% in 2016) and coal (9% in 2016). A very small amount is produced from other fuels (3.1% in 2016). The volume of electricity generated by coal and gas-fired power stations changes each year, with some switching between the two depending on fuel prices.We import 99% of that , we even import 10% of our electricity . Just hope we arnt help to ransom in the furure like we are on oil?
Tedblog wonders about charging a few thousand cars in the future, - I don't think the government has pondered for a second about the other 35 MILLION cars not to mention the countless HGVs all running on DIESEL for the forseeable future for the simple reason that the huge weight of a battery needed for a 44 tonner is unviable not to say ridiculous.
burman said:
Tedblog wonders about charging a few thousand cars in the future, - I don't think the government has pondered for a second about the other 35 MILLION cars not to mention the countless HGVs all running on DIESEL for the forseeable future for the simple reason that the huge weight of a battery needed for a 44 tonner is unviable not to say ridiculous.
Heavy freight needs to be taken back to a much needed upgraded, modernised electrified railway system..The tailbacks and frequency of accidents on our already congested motorways will justify this on safety grounds alone, before mentioning the environmental benefits !..Taffy66 said:
Heavy freight needs to be taken back to a much needed upgraded, modernised electrified railway system..The tailbacks and frequency of accidents on our already congested motorways will justify this on safety grounds alone, before mentioning the environmental benefits !..
Hgvs just dont enter the equation purely on the loads the batteries will take just to get the load moving .. the will generate heat and break down pretty quickly. Of course they could reduce the loads they carry to compensate then more traffic . 
Its cars and city vehicles they want to convert.
Cities and highly populated areas will be served . Out in the sticks so to speak no chance . They cant get high speed broadband for crikes sake.
Cheib said:
The major European OEM’s have taken this into their own hands in Europe...they’re investing in a build out across the Motorway network. No idea why that hasn’t happened here...guessing the current political instability is responsible for them not investing here given we’re a huge market.
That'll be because of the historic Ecotricity exclusivity contract at motorway services. Along with the fact that when you can get around it (as Tesla have in some places) you then can't get a sufficiently large power supply in without being held to ransom over wayleaves to run new cables in.tedblog said:
Hgvs just dont enter the equation purely on the loads the batteries will take just to get the load moving .. the will generate heat and break down pretty quickly. Of course they could reduce the loads they carry to compensate then more traffic .
Its cars and city vehicles they want to convert.
You clearly know noting about the Tesla Semi? 0-60 in 20 seconds with a full load (36 tonnes).Its cars and city vehicles they want to convert.
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/semi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi
How on earth did a Porsche order thread escalate to an interesting discussion about railway electrification?
We need to talk colours and leather options for god's sake.
Here's some Gentian Blue on a 992 to take in:
We need to talk colours and leather options for god's sake.
Taffy66 said:
I have a Taycan Turbo arriving around March..Spec submitted but not locked..Will probably go with either Gentian or more likely Volcano..Sticking with the standard 20'' wheels as the 21'' ones reduce range by a whopping 10% and reduce aerodynamics from 0.22Cd to 0.26Cd..Undecided on the full glass roof as it has no cover blind plus i rather like the RS aping double bubble aluminium roof..
It'll be a very cheap car to own if you take advantage of all the tax reducing perks plus £3.5K subsidy..
Gentian Blue is really pretty to my eyes.. Go for it. Mamba Green will also look very good on the Taycan but it's not for everyone. Volcano Grey also is a great choice if a bit too unassuming to my taste.It'll be a very cheap car to own if you take advantage of all the tax reducing perks plus £3.5K subsidy..
Here's some Gentian Blue on a 992 to take in:
Edited by Nerdherder on Monday 7th October 13:34
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