718 GTS six cylinder

718 GTS six cylinder

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burman

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355 posts

212 months

Tuesday 7th January 2020
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A top of the range 6 pot 718 is appearing in lots of spy shots at the moment, I assume there may be an announcement at the Geneva show in March.
An obvious use for a detuned version of the 4.0 L as used in the new GT4 and a boost to the rest of the range, I personally would be very interested in the PDK version. Presumably HP would be 380 to 400 with similar performance to a MK 1 GT4

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

229 months

Wednesday 8th January 2020
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It's fairly well known that Porsche are ditching the awful 4-pot engines. Geneva is a good guess as to when they'll appear.

mr pg

1,947 posts

204 months

Wednesday 8th January 2020
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Haven't said they're ditching them, just bringing out a new model which may replace the GTS.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

229 months

Wednesday 8th January 2020
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mr pg said:
Haven't said they're ditching them, just bringing out a new model which may replace the GTS.
And they will slowly but surely die and be phased out.

thelostboy

4,562 posts

224 months

Wednesday 8th January 2020
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Can they do that? I thought it was emissions driven and that's hardly changed, has it?

I saw the clickbait article claiming it was being dropped, but in the copy it just backed up what we already (think we) know - the GTS 'facelift' will be 6 cylinder.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 8th January 2020
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I think they'll live on until the Cayster goes all electric in 2022/2023...

Gonzo0

108 posts

144 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Heard from a reliable source that Cayman GTS 4.0 will be announced this month and manual only for time being due to WLTP.

Coincidentally Porsche USA have taken the Cayman GTS configurator offline.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

229 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Gonzo0 said:
Heard from a reliable source that Cayman GTS 4.0 will be announced this month and manual only for time being due to WLTP.

Coincidentally Porsche USA have taken the Cayman GTS configurator offline.
Why would it be manual due to WLTP? PDK is far more likely for emissions stuff. And would differentiate from. GT4. Also, people would actually buy it hehe

woollyjoe

1,328 posts

118 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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4 pot 2.0 is staying to keep sales in China.

GTS going bigger as chinese won't buy the 2.5 anyway, and sales likely suffered.

This is solution to keep Chinese Europe and US sales before the model ends (becomes electric)... which i suspect won't be for a long while... hence the changes.


Andyoz

2,887 posts

53 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Gonzo0 said:
Heard from a reliable source that Cayman GTS 4.0 will be announced this month and manual only for time being due to WLTP.

Coincidentally Porsche USA have taken the Cayman GTS configurator offline.
The more 6pot manuals Porsche ban pump out before E-day the better in my book.

Gonzo0

108 posts

144 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Beefmeister said:
Gonzo0 said:
Heard from a reliable source that Cayman GTS 4.0 will be announced this month and manual only for time being due to WLTP.

Coincidentally Porsche USA have taken the Cayman GTS configurator offline.
Why would it be manual due to WLTP? PDK is far more likely for emissions stuff. And would differentiate from. GT4. Also, people would actually buy it hehe
WLTP rules mean its harder for manufactures to test and make all specs of a model more efficient. It was probably easier to get the manual more compliant first, plus i suspect manual may be the more popular option on a 4.0 GTS.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Gonzo0 said:
WLTP rules mean its harder for manufactures to test and make all specs of a model more efficient. It was probably easier to get the manual more compliant first, plus i suspect manual may be the more popular option on a 4.0 GTS.
I would say the PDK would be by far the best seller if the manual has the same dire gearing.

Not many 981 GTS had manuals, PDK was the seller of choice.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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I would have thought they'[d have gone for PDK first, unless there are shortcuts to be had given that the Spyder and GT4 are approved as manuals.

Gonzo0

108 posts

144 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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It makes sense for Porsche to release manual first as the new 4.0 going into the GTS is effectively the same 9A2 Evo engine as in the new GT4 which is currently paired to the manual box.

It was probably easier for Porsche to effectively use the same drivetrain pairing as in the GT4 and 'dump' it into the GTS. I suspect more development work is required to test the new engine with a PDK box.

My only concern with 4.0 GTS is the noise, it's surely going to be quieter than even the new GT4. I think I would be jumping straight to an aftermarket solution once it arrives. Damn tree huggers and there emissions regs!

TDT

4,911 posts

118 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Gonzo0 said:
My only concern with 4.0 GTS is the noise, it's surely going to be quieter than even the new GT4. I think I would be jumping straight to an aftermarket solution once it arrives. Damn tree huggers and there emissions regs!
I really wouldn’t worry about the F-6 noise, once you’re on the move you don’t give it a second thought, especially as it cost over £3k to try to ‘fix’ it. It’s miles better than the F4T and at least sounds like a Porsche sports car should do, albeit quieter below 5k rpm

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Agreed - I'm really warming to the sound of the new engine. More induction than exhaust, plus it won't ps off the neighbours or make you look like a numpty in built up areas/towns etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES59xpcUo-U

thelostboy

4,562 posts

224 months

Saturday 11th January 2020
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I agree, people are too concerned about exhaust noise. Plus, if you really care, you can do something about it. You can't with a 4cyl!

My NSX makes virtually no exhaust noise; it's all induction noise, and it sounds wonderful. EVO also rated it above the 'noisy' 981 GT4, so go figure...

churchie2856

448 posts

189 months

Saturday 11th January 2020
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I wonder if an unequal length manifold/exhaust system would at least give it a Subaru matching dugga-dugga sound.

I don’t think the F4T in my 718 Cayman 2.0 is that bad. A smidge-less good than my Golf R (it sound-o-nator noise thing). However, it is nowhere as good as my F4T Forester XT with its Haywood & Scott backbox - now that’s how a flat 4 should sound. Perhaps H&S should take on this challenge.

Noise aside, I’m sure the 718 betters the 981 in every other objective and subjective way. Clearly I’m biased.

ATM

18,099 posts

218 months

Saturday 11th January 2020
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churchie2856 said:
Noise aside, I’m sure the 718 betters the 981 in every other objective and subjective way. Clearly I’m biased.
No

Surely the 981 NA engine has to beat the 718 FI Flat 4 in terms of throttle response. Turbo motors have got better over the years but there has to be some lag.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Saturday 11th January 2020
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Indeed, and bar the PCM the interiors are virtually identical. You could argue the rear is less svelte too which some would find a negative on the 718.