Porsche 911 Reimagined by Singer
Discussion
Yellow491 said:
Spot on re ruf ,mate is having one built at the mo,proper fast,light and classy.
Porsche make the best porsche cars!
Evening Paul, I hope things have changed, because from what I’ve seen over the past 10 or so years, Ruf’s now a very different animal to the halcyon days of their fettling the 930/964/993 and 996 Turbo models.Porsche make the best porsche cars!
The majority of what I’ve seen is expensive tat whose engineering leaves a lot to be desired...
To that end I spent many hours poking around the bowels of a CTR3, the “engineering” was truly shocking, all the moreso when you take into account the price they charged for them...
RSVP911 said:
I think they look epic in the right spec - but as we’ve already ascertained, I don’t have any taste and like a bit of old tat. In truth though, if I had that sort of money to spend on a car it would be a Carrera GT 
As much as i'd love a Singer in the right colour and spec i'm with you on the CGT..A singer or any other 911 Restomod isn't worth as much as a CGT or even if the Singer was half the price of a CGT..To be able to afford a CGT(or Singer) i'd have to sell all my cars which despite my best man maths doesn't make any sense.Edited by RSVP911 on Monday 24th February 22:36
I wonder how much input a Singer customer really gets in choosing spec. Mean there's definitely a particular look and style to them both inside and out.
Nice video though and a lot better than the recent Petrolicious film. The car looked and sounded a lot nicer too but some of that might be down to a better quality production. Stunning location too
Nice video though and a lot better than the recent Petrolicious film. The car looked and sounded a lot nicer too but some of that might be down to a better quality production. Stunning location too
comfortably numb said:
Aside from the considerable cost, the wait is rather painful. They are rather pretty though.
I understand the wait is a few years now with a very significant deposit due within a couple of months of order....they’re also a lot more than £500k now landed in the UK. Can’t remember the exact numbers but the 4.0 engine (which almost every car has) is something like $40k and the ceramics over $20k etc Make Ferrari options look cheap! At those numbers a CGT is a way better place to spend your money....but you probably already have one if you’re ordering a Singer.
Cheib said:
I understand the wait is a few years now with a very significant deposit due within a couple of months of order....they’re also a lot more than £500k now landed in the UK. Can’t remember the exact numbers but the 4.0 engine (which almost every car has) is something like $40k and the ceramics over $20k etc Make Ferrari options look cheap!
At those numbers a CGT is a way better place to spend your money....but you probably already have one if you’re ordering a Singer.
I agree with your final point and you are right about the purchasers. I know two of them personally and they have spectacular collections. At those numbers a CGT is a way better place to spend your money....but you probably already have one if you’re ordering a Singer.
All beyond my means but happy that someone has the wherewithal to do it.
isaldiri said:
deadslow said:
how would this compare to the Ruf SCR?
Would love to see this comparison some day. I admire what Singer have done wrt to attention to detail and aesthetics but the RUF seems to be the car with more of a nod to the actual engineering bits where the $$ has been spent on improving.Cheib said:
At those numbers a CGT is a way better place to spend your money....but you probably already have one if you’re ordering a Singer.
The best place to spend your money is on the car you want. I don't fancy a CGT, or a GT2, or a '72 RS as a car to live with every day, and I don't have a collection. As something special, smallish, pretty, practical, fun, reliable and not requiring special servicing or esoteric parts, this ticks a lot of boxes. If someone wants to go buy something else, please do - but start another thread and post lots of photos!comfortably numb said:
The best place to spend your money is on the car you want. I don't fancy a CGT, or a GT2, or a '72 RS as a car to live with every day, and I don't have a collection. As something special, smallish, pretty, practical, fun, reliable and not requiring special servicing or esoteric parts, this ticks a lot of boxes.
^ This, as for all the CGT’s undoubted attributes, I’m not a fan, and never have been.
I wonder whether Singer, or a specially created sub-brand would consider producing a simple modified 964, without all the back-dated chintz ? A "period" 964 with all of the Singer carbon bodywork, chassis and engine could be fantastic. I remember some years ago there was a 964 RS that had been turned into a de-spoilered widebody with a fairly lairy Turbo motor and a bespoke leather interior. It wasn't to all tastes, but was quite a machine. I quite like the idea of the Singer upgrades and quality of materials and finish without the back-dating.
Taffy66 said:
RSVP911 said:
I think they look epic in the right spec - but as we’ve already ascertained, I don’t have any taste and like a bit of old tat. In truth though, if I had that sort of money to spend on a car it would be a Carrera GT
As much as i'd love a Singer in the right colour and spec i'm with you on the CGT..A singer or any other 911 Restomod isn't worth as much as a CGT or even if the Singer was half the price of a CGT..To be able to afford a CGT(or Singer) i'd have to sell all my cars which despite my best man maths doesn't make any sense.Edited by RSVP911 on Monday 24th February 22:36
Jamie Summers said:
I wonder whether Singer, or a specially created sub-brand would consider producing a simple modified 964, without all the back-dated chintz ? A "period" 964 with all of the Singer carbon bodywork, chassis and engine could be fantastic. I remember some years ago there was a 964 RS that had been turned into a de-spoilered widebody with a fairly lairy Turbo motor and a bespoke leather interior. It wasn't to all tastes, but was quite a machine.
This one ?
Actually a 3.8 RSR that Mr Schmitz sold cheap mistakenly IIRC ...
Yes, that one ! I remembered as soon as I put the post up that it was a genuine RSR. The diamond stitched red leather interior was a bit of an acquired taste, but it's undoubtedly a cool car. I'd be just as interested in a Singer RSR as I would one of the backdates..... Though the interest is purely academic barring an vast unforeseen windfall !
Was it not bought by someone who posts on here ? (could be another forum......) and was being returned to original RSR spec, with the original engine having been tracked down somewhere. I'm sure there was a story involved....... Then it vanished - haven't seen any report of it for probably 10 years ???
Was it not bought by someone who posts on here ? (could be another forum......) and was being returned to original RSR spec, with the original engine having been tracked down somewhere. I'm sure there was a story involved....... Then it vanished - haven't seen any report of it for probably 10 years ???
Edited by Jamie Summers on Tuesday 25th February 17:16
isaldiri said:
Would love to see this comparison some day. I admire what Singer have done wrt to attention to detail and aesthetics but the RUF seems to be the car with more of a nod to the actual engineering bits where the $$ has been spent on improving.
‘a nod to the actual engineering bits’
browngt3 said:
I wonder how much input a Singer customer really gets in choosing spec. Mean there's definitely a particular look and style to them both inside and out.
There is a menu of options which is quite exhaustive and the customer can also request bespoke items if they so wish. You could spec any combo you like, they don't try and steer you towards "loud" specs but I guess a lot of people who have carte blanche want to go crazy. These are also the people who are more visible in the media. They have done some very subtle greys/blacks/blues without decals and plain black interiors but I guess these aren't the ones splashed all over social media. A lovely car was delivered to London recently that is a very simple red with black interior and looks fabulous.They are very expensive and its hard to argue they are better value than a CGT or a 2.7RS which people may consider alternatives and are Porsche factory products. They are astonishingly good to drive though and I would argue far more practical than either a CGT or 2.7 RS so I think if you are in the fortunate position to really be able to afford one (and not care about value, depreciation, running cost etc) then its quite possibly the best road going 911 around. As HC said, the one car that can do it all.
Slippydiff said:
Yellow491 said:
Spot on re ruf ,mate is having one built at the mo,proper fast,light and classy.
Porsche make the best porsche cars!
Evening Paul, I hope things have changed, because from what I’ve seen over the past 10 or so years, Ruf’s now a very different animal to the halcyon days of their fettling the 930/964/993 and 996 Turbo models.Porsche make the best porsche cars!
The majority of what I’ve seen is expensive tat whose engineering leaves a lot to be desired...
To that end I spent many hours poking around the bowels of a CTR3, the “engineering” was truly shocking, all the moreso when you take into account the price they charged for them...
Any engineering can be done with big enough budgets.
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