GT3 / 3RS / Touring
Discussion
Yes, another what car thread. Sorry.
After a long absence I've started doing trackdays again. I did Silverstone GP with RMA pre-lockdown with my 964RS. It's a lovely old thing, and drives well, but it's not really very quick in modern company. So I'm feeling the urge to buy something more modern, with a view mainly to track days.
I have a number of cars, including a three old Porsches and an i8 Roadster. At the moment I'm thinking of this as an addition, but...
A) is it worth considering getting a vanilla 991.2 GT3 or even a Touring, and ditching the BMW? I don't need two modern fast road cars, but I worry that I'll end up being annoyed that a base GT3 or a Touring won't be as quick for track use, while the non-Touring at least is a bit "look at me" for normal driving. I do have another convertible for occasional sunny days, but it's getting on a bit and I need something I can do 600 miles to France and back in every other weekend once the present lunacy has faded into history.
B) is the (tiny) power increase from 991.1 GT3RS to 991.2 GT3RS (about 19hp, I think) worth the 30-odd k price difference? I don't really fancy spending £175k when I could spend £140k, especially when I assume the 991.2 cars will fall to current 991.1 pricing fairly quickly.
I also wonder if I should hold fire to see if there is a re-adjustment in pricing; I won't be financing the car. I assume even in the current climate I won't get a look-in at a new 992 GT3, and that in any case it'll be ages before the RS comes out.
WWYD?
After a long absence I've started doing trackdays again. I did Silverstone GP with RMA pre-lockdown with my 964RS. It's a lovely old thing, and drives well, but it's not really very quick in modern company. So I'm feeling the urge to buy something more modern, with a view mainly to track days.
I have a number of cars, including a three old Porsches and an i8 Roadster. At the moment I'm thinking of this as an addition, but...
A) is it worth considering getting a vanilla 991.2 GT3 or even a Touring, and ditching the BMW? I don't need two modern fast road cars, but I worry that I'll end up being annoyed that a base GT3 or a Touring won't be as quick for track use, while the non-Touring at least is a bit "look at me" for normal driving. I do have another convertible for occasional sunny days, but it's getting on a bit and I need something I can do 600 miles to France and back in every other weekend once the present lunacy has faded into history.
B) is the (tiny) power increase from 991.1 GT3RS to 991.2 GT3RS (about 19hp, I think) worth the 30-odd k price difference? I don't really fancy spending £175k when I could spend £140k, especially when I assume the 991.2 cars will fall to current 991.1 pricing fairly quickly.
I also wonder if I should hold fire to see if there is a re-adjustment in pricing; I won't be financing the car. I assume even in the current climate I won't get a look-in at a new 992 GT3, and that in any case it'll be ages before the RS comes out.
WWYD?
Well first thing is you need to decided what her you want a manual or a PDK for track work.....a lot of people will tell you that’s the way to go. That will define which cars you can choose from.
I remember reading a review of the 991.2 GT3 RS...journalists couldn’t believe how much better is was than the .1. Engine is worth £20k on it’s own !
I’ve got a manual 991.2 GT3....I’ve had it on track a couple of times and love it. But as someone who is learning track driving it would definitely be easier with the PDK.
Tell us about the RS....I currently have much want for one.
I remember reading a review of the 991.2 GT3 RS...journalists couldn’t believe how much better is was than the .1. Engine is worth £20k on it’s own !
I’ve got a manual 991.2 GT3....I’ve had it on track a couple of times and love it. But as someone who is learning track driving it would definitely be easier with the PDK.
Tell us about the RS....I currently have much want for one.
964Cup said:
WWYD?
1/ I'd wait for prices to drop. But you will miss then end of this season because IMO the 25%+ drops won't be visible until end of this year / beginning of next.If you do buy now -
2/ 991.1 RS @ £140-145k would always be the smart choice. 991.2 maybe better but more dosh. It's the full fat all singing dancing GT3 - take and enjoy the extra 10%
Second choice would be a Touring. Uber cool looking 991. Rare. Big premium though - would you really pay RS money for a Touring? Mmmmm
Third choice would be a vanilla 991.2 GT3. Nowt wrong with it, but the RS and Touring have an extra layer of desirability.
3/ scrap the i8
Phooey said:
To be fair unless you’re something special they’ll all do the job on track.
The RS just looks the dogs b
ks. IMO.
I’d go RS for the drama, Touring for the under the radar effect.
Scrap the i8
I don't need to scrap the i8; it just seemed a bit excessive to have that and a Touring. If I get an RS I'll keep the i8 - it's a great road car and it's congestion-charge exempt. And it looks like a spaceship, and I don't mind putting 10k miles on it a year which I suspect would rather devalue a Touring (sadly - Porsches used to be mileage-insensitive, but that just doesn't seem to be true any more).The RS just looks the dogs b
ks. IMO.I’d go RS for the drama, Touring for the under the radar effect.
Scrap the i8
Also, if I get a 3RS it will be a lurid colour (probably Ultraviolet or Lava Orange), so having something a little more discreet won't hurt.
I wouldn't say I'm something special, but I have a reasonable collection of silverware (well, actually, it's mostly glassware) so I believe I have a reasonable idea of how to get round a circuit. This is why I'm not going straight for the Touring option - I want something that's in with a reasonable chance of keeping up with anything else vaguely GT-shaped that got to the circuit under its own power. I'm completely not interested in doing "skids" - I want the closest thing to a proper racecar that doesn't put me back in time 20 years with an artic and five engineers and all that palaver.
I did think about a 720s, but am put off by their alleged fragility. There were a couple at the Silverstone day (along with any number of GT3RS) and they are extraordinary-looking things up close. I've always been a Porsche man, really, and like the reasonable certainty that if I don't put the car in the wall it will keep going round until I'm bored and then happily get me home again.
I have been doing some man-maths on the GT2RS, but I think the premiums being asked for these are still silly. If I was going to spend £350k on a £200k car, it would be a 911R. And if I was going to buy a 911R, I doubt I'd thrash it round a track 10 times a year.
Someone asked about the 964RS.
It's a C00 car that went to France in the late 90s. I bought it from a dealer in Paris. It's been tracked, but not raced, by previous owners. Straight, clean, matching numbers, gently tweaked (cup pipe, hot-wire MAF, chip), carbon doors. The Speedlines are reps - I have the original Cup 1 magnesiums, but wouldn't track them. The paint's original but tired - a lot of stone chips; I'm probably going to get it painted (and possibly put the doors back to steel) if I get a new track toy.
I used to race a Cup Car (chassis 33) back in the day (hence the forum name); I bought the RS out of nostalgia, and because Cup Cars now command silly money. I sold mine some time ago, and had modified it so extensively that it wasn't really a Cup Car any more anyway.
In the Cup, it looked like this:
By its last race season (in the Open and Intermarque) it looked like this:
I still miss it, but my God things have moved on in the last 20 years. It was already an old car when I ran it - in its pomp I could just about keep up with a badly-driven 996.1 Cup Car. There are probably some ancient threads on here listing all the things I did to it to make it faster. I ended up road-registering it (which was an odyssey) by which time it had mostly plastic bodywork and glass, a 3.8 with a GT3 crank, Motec and ITBs, all sorts of trick bits, GT2 brakes, a hydraulic handbrake and so on and so forth. And it was resoundingly awful as a road car, but hopelessly under-tyred as a race car: built and set up for slicks, you just couldn't really make it work on 888s (which was the best thing around at the time). So I parked it, then sold it. I understand it was eventually restored to "original" condition - which essentially would have made it a new car entirely - and sold on for megabucks.
I am trying very very hard not to fall back into racing. I hope the 3RS and track days will scratch the itch, because if not it turns out that relatively recent Cup Cars are not dissimilar money. Except of course that buying the car is only the very tip of the wallet-ruining iceberg. It's slightly ironic because the whole racing thing happened because I bought a 993RS in 1998, tracked the living daylights out of it, and ended up being advised by various people to take up racing. Now I'm considering buying another ..3RS in order to track the living daylights out of it. I think I can see where this is heading. Ian Flux and Tim Harvey, this is all your fault. Actually, no, I'm going to blame Mark Sumpter as well. He sold me my first actual race car (a somewhat knackered 3.2 Carrera - actually a 3.0 that had been updated - which spent more time going sideways than forwards). I probably have a (low-res) pic of that somwhere, too, but as I recall this started out as a response to someone asking about the 964RS, not a request for an autobiography.
I'll shut up now.
It's a C00 car that went to France in the late 90s. I bought it from a dealer in Paris. It's been tracked, but not raced, by previous owners. Straight, clean, matching numbers, gently tweaked (cup pipe, hot-wire MAF, chip), carbon doors. The Speedlines are reps - I have the original Cup 1 magnesiums, but wouldn't track them. The paint's original but tired - a lot of stone chips; I'm probably going to get it painted (and possibly put the doors back to steel) if I get a new track toy.
I used to race a Cup Car (chassis 33) back in the day (hence the forum name); I bought the RS out of nostalgia, and because Cup Cars now command silly money. I sold mine some time ago, and had modified it so extensively that it wasn't really a Cup Car any more anyway.
In the Cup, it looked like this:
By its last race season (in the Open and Intermarque) it looked like this:
I still miss it, but my God things have moved on in the last 20 years. It was already an old car when I ran it - in its pomp I could just about keep up with a badly-driven 996.1 Cup Car. There are probably some ancient threads on here listing all the things I did to it to make it faster. I ended up road-registering it (which was an odyssey) by which time it had mostly plastic bodywork and glass, a 3.8 with a GT3 crank, Motec and ITBs, all sorts of trick bits, GT2 brakes, a hydraulic handbrake and so on and so forth. And it was resoundingly awful as a road car, but hopelessly under-tyred as a race car: built and set up for slicks, you just couldn't really make it work on 888s (which was the best thing around at the time). So I parked it, then sold it. I understand it was eventually restored to "original" condition - which essentially would have made it a new car entirely - and sold on for megabucks.
I am trying very very hard not to fall back into racing. I hope the 3RS and track days will scratch the itch, because if not it turns out that relatively recent Cup Cars are not dissimilar money. Except of course that buying the car is only the very tip of the wallet-ruining iceberg. It's slightly ironic because the whole racing thing happened because I bought a 993RS in 1998, tracked the living daylights out of it, and ended up being advised by various people to take up racing. Now I'm considering buying another ..3RS in order to track the living daylights out of it. I think I can see where this is heading. Ian Flux and Tim Harvey, this is all your fault. Actually, no, I'm going to blame Mark Sumpter as well. He sold me my first actual race car (a somewhat knackered 3.2 Carrera - actually a 3.0 that had been updated - which spent more time going sideways than forwards). I probably have a (low-res) pic of that somwhere, too, but as I recall this started out as a response to someone asking about the 964RS, not a request for an autobiography.
I'll shut up now.
964Cup said:
This is why I'm not going straight for the Touring option - I want something that's in with a reasonable chance of keeping up with anything else vaguely GT-shaped that got to the circuit under its own power. I'm completely not interested in doing "skids" - I want the closest thing to a proper racecar that doesn't put me back in time 20 years with an artic and five engineers and all that palaver.
Well the touring will keep up well enough with 99.9% of GT cars in track if you're a good enough driver. The aero difference between the cars wing or not isn't large enough to make a big difference.However, no GT road car, not even the .2rs really is anything like a 'proper race car' if that's what you are really after.
isaldiri said:
Well the touring will keep up well enough with 99.9% of GT cars in track if you're a good enough driver. The aero difference between the cars wing or not isn't large enough to make a big difference.
However, no GT road car, not even the .2rs really is anything like a 'proper race car' if that's what you are really after.
Sure. Although I suspect a 3RS on Cup 2s is considerably quicker around corners than my old Cup car. As I said, I fear there's no stopping this process. I think I'm just fighting a delaying action.However, no GT road car, not even the .2rs really is anything like a 'proper race car' if that's what you are really after.
964Cup said:
Sure. Although I suspect a 3RS on Cup 2s is considerably quicker around corners than my old Cup car. As I said, I fear there's no stopping this process. I think I'm just fighting a delaying action.
Well your old cup car is positively fossilized to be fair 
. A 996 cup should still be (slightly) faster than a 991.2 3rs unless you're on cup2 r..... If it's mainly about being quick then yes the 991 gt cars can be very quick on track (you'll still get steam rollered by something like a 720 on a track tyre though) but the driving experience of the car imo is nothing like a 996/7/1 cup car.
Stephen A looks a young chap in the pic, i remember your kinda cup car well,it was quick!
I think you would only be happy in a rs,the latest is very competent
I think you would only be happy in a rs,the latest is very competent
964Cup said:
Someone asked about the 964RS.
It's a C00 car that went to France in the late 90s. I bought it from a dealer in Paris. It's been tracked, but not raced, by previous owners. Straight, clean, matching numbers, gently tweaked (cup pipe, hot-wire MAF, chip), carbon doors. The Speedlines are reps - I have the original Cup 1 magnesiums, but wouldn't track them. The paint's original but tired - a lot of stone chips; I'm probably going to get it painted (and possibly put the doors back to steel) if I get a new track toy.
I used to race a Cup Car (chassis 33) back in the day (hence the forum name); I bought the RS out of nostalgia, and because Cup Cars now command silly money. I sold mine some time ago, and had modified it so extensively that it wasn't really a Cup Car any more anyway.
In the Cup, it looked like this:
By its last race season (in the Open and Intermarque) it looked like this:
I still miss it, but my God things have moved on in the last 20 years. It was already an old car when I ran it - in its pomp I could just about keep up with a badly-driven 996.1 Cup Car. There are probably some ancient threads on here listing all the things I did to it to make it faster. I ended up road-registering it (which was an odyssey) by which time it had mostly plastic bodywork and glass, a 3.8 with a GT3 crank, Motec and ITBs, all sorts of trick bits, GT2 brakes, a hydraulic handbrake and so on and so forth. And it was resoundingly awful as a road car, but hopelessly under-tyred as a race car: built and set up for slicks, you just couldn't really make it work on 888s (which was the best thing around at the time). So I parked it, then sold it. I understand it was eventually restored to "original" condition - which essentially would have made it a new car entirely - and sold on for megabucks.
I am trying very very hard not to fall back into racing. I hope the 3RS and track days will scratch the itch, because if not it turns out that relatively recent Cup Cars are not dissimilar money. Except of course that buying the car is only the very tip of the wallet-ruining iceberg. It's slightly ironic because the whole racing thing happened because I bought a 993RS in 1998, tracked the living daylights out of it, and ended up being advised by various people to take up racing. Now I'm considering buying another ..3RS in order to track the living daylights out of it. I think I can see where this is heading. Ian Flux and Tim Harvey, this is all your fault. Actually, no, I'm going to blame Mark Sumpter as well. He sold me my first actual race car (a somewhat knackered 3.2 Carrera - actually a 3.0 that had been updated - which spent more time going sideways than forwards). I probably have a (low-res) pic of that somwhere, too, but as I recall this started out as a response to someone asking about the 964RS, not a request for an autobiography.
I'll shut up now.
It's a C00 car that went to France in the late 90s. I bought it from a dealer in Paris. It's been tracked, but not raced, by previous owners. Straight, clean, matching numbers, gently tweaked (cup pipe, hot-wire MAF, chip), carbon doors. The Speedlines are reps - I have the original Cup 1 magnesiums, but wouldn't track them. The paint's original but tired - a lot of stone chips; I'm probably going to get it painted (and possibly put the doors back to steel) if I get a new track toy.
I used to race a Cup Car (chassis 33) back in the day (hence the forum name); I bought the RS out of nostalgia, and because Cup Cars now command silly money. I sold mine some time ago, and had modified it so extensively that it wasn't really a Cup Car any more anyway.
In the Cup, it looked like this:
By its last race season (in the Open and Intermarque) it looked like this:
I still miss it, but my God things have moved on in the last 20 years. It was already an old car when I ran it - in its pomp I could just about keep up with a badly-driven 996.1 Cup Car. There are probably some ancient threads on here listing all the things I did to it to make it faster. I ended up road-registering it (which was an odyssey) by which time it had mostly plastic bodywork and glass, a 3.8 with a GT3 crank, Motec and ITBs, all sorts of trick bits, GT2 brakes, a hydraulic handbrake and so on and so forth. And it was resoundingly awful as a road car, but hopelessly under-tyred as a race car: built and set up for slicks, you just couldn't really make it work on 888s (which was the best thing around at the time). So I parked it, then sold it. I understand it was eventually restored to "original" condition - which essentially would have made it a new car entirely - and sold on for megabucks.
I am trying very very hard not to fall back into racing. I hope the 3RS and track days will scratch the itch, because if not it turns out that relatively recent Cup Cars are not dissimilar money. Except of course that buying the car is only the very tip of the wallet-ruining iceberg. It's slightly ironic because the whole racing thing happened because I bought a 993RS in 1998, tracked the living daylights out of it, and ended up being advised by various people to take up racing. Now I'm considering buying another ..3RS in order to track the living daylights out of it. I think I can see where this is heading. Ian Flux and Tim Harvey, this is all your fault. Actually, no, I'm going to blame Mark Sumpter as well. He sold me my first actual race car (a somewhat knackered 3.2 Carrera - actually a 3.0 that had been updated - which spent more time going sideways than forwards). I probably have a (low-res) pic of that somwhere, too, but as I recall this started out as a response to someone asking about the 964RS, not a request for an autobiography.
I'll shut up now.
964Cup said:
Someone asked about the 964RS.
It's a C00 car that went to France in the late 90s. I bought it from a dealer in Paris. It's been tracked, but not raced, by previous owners. Straight, clean, matching numbers, gently tweaked (cup pipe, hot-wire MAF, chip), carbon doors. The Speedlines are reps - I have the original Cup 1 magnesiums, but wouldn't track them. The paint's original but tired - a lot of stone chips; I'm probably going to get it painted (and possibly put the doors back to steel) if I get a new track toy.
I used to race a Cup Car (chassis 33) back in the day (hence the forum name); I bought the RS out of nostalgia, and because Cup Cars now command silly money. I sold mine some time ago, and had modified it so extensively that it wasn't really a Cup Car any more anyway.
In the Cup, it looked like this:
By its last race season (in the Open and Intermarque) it looked like this:
I still miss it, but my God things have moved on in the last 20 years. It was already an old car when I ran it - in its pomp I could just about keep up with a badly-driven 996.1 Cup Car. There are probably some ancient threads on here listing all the things I did to it to make it faster. I ended up road-registering it (which was an odyssey) by which time it had mostly plastic bodywork and glass, a 3.8 with a GT3 crank, Motec and ITBs, all sorts of trick bits, GT2 brakes, a hydraulic handbrake and so on and so forth. And it was resoundingly awful as a road car, but hopelessly under-tyred as a race car: built and set up for slicks, you just couldn't really make it work on 888s (which was the best thing around at the time). So I parked it, then sold it. I understand it was eventually restored to "original" condition - which essentially would have made it a new car entirely - and sold on for megabucks.
I am trying very very hard not to fall back into racing. I hope the 3RS and track days will scratch the itch, because if not it turns out that relatively recent Cup Cars are not dissimilar money. Except of course that buying the car is only the very tip of the wallet-ruining iceberg. It's slightly ironic because the whole racing thing happened because I bought a 993RS in 1998, tracked the living daylights out of it, and ended up being advised by various people to take up racing. Now I'm considering buying another ..3RS in order to track the living daylights out of it. I think I can see where this is heading. Ian Flux and Tim Harvey, this is all your fault. Actually, no, I'm going to blame Mark Sumpter as well. He sold me my first actual race car (a somewhat knackered 3.2 Carrera - actually a 3.0 that had been updated - which spent more time going sideways than forwards). I probably have a (low-res) pic of that somwhere, too, but as I recall this started out as a response to someone asking about the 964RS, not a request for an autobiography.
I'll shut up now.
It's a C00 car that went to France in the late 90s. I bought it from a dealer in Paris. It's been tracked, but not raced, by previous owners. Straight, clean, matching numbers, gently tweaked (cup pipe, hot-wire MAF, chip), carbon doors. The Speedlines are reps - I have the original Cup 1 magnesiums, but wouldn't track them. The paint's original but tired - a lot of stone chips; I'm probably going to get it painted (and possibly put the doors back to steel) if I get a new track toy.
I used to race a Cup Car (chassis 33) back in the day (hence the forum name); I bought the RS out of nostalgia, and because Cup Cars now command silly money. I sold mine some time ago, and had modified it so extensively that it wasn't really a Cup Car any more anyway.
In the Cup, it looked like this:
By its last race season (in the Open and Intermarque) it looked like this:
I still miss it, but my God things have moved on in the last 20 years. It was already an old car when I ran it - in its pomp I could just about keep up with a badly-driven 996.1 Cup Car. There are probably some ancient threads on here listing all the things I did to it to make it faster. I ended up road-registering it (which was an odyssey) by which time it had mostly plastic bodywork and glass, a 3.8 with a GT3 crank, Motec and ITBs, all sorts of trick bits, GT2 brakes, a hydraulic handbrake and so on and so forth. And it was resoundingly awful as a road car, but hopelessly under-tyred as a race car: built and set up for slicks, you just couldn't really make it work on 888s (which was the best thing around at the time). So I parked it, then sold it. I understand it was eventually restored to "original" condition - which essentially would have made it a new car entirely - and sold on for megabucks.
I am trying very very hard not to fall back into racing. I hope the 3RS and track days will scratch the itch, because if not it turns out that relatively recent Cup Cars are not dissimilar money. Except of course that buying the car is only the very tip of the wallet-ruining iceberg. It's slightly ironic because the whole racing thing happened because I bought a 993RS in 1998, tracked the living daylights out of it, and ended up being advised by various people to take up racing. Now I'm considering buying another ..3RS in order to track the living daylights out of it. I think I can see where this is heading. Ian Flux and Tim Harvey, this is all your fault. Actually, no, I'm going to blame Mark Sumpter as well. He sold me my first actual race car (a somewhat knackered 3.2 Carrera - actually a 3.0 that had been updated - which spent more time going sideways than forwards). I probably have a (low-res) pic of that somwhere, too, but as I recall this started out as a response to someone asking about the 964RS, not a request for an autobiography.
I'll shut up now.
Love the 964RS.
You've got to go 3RS mate, I don't think anyone would be dissatisfied with any modern 991 gt car, but you've obviously been there, done it well and got the t-shirt. You'd always be wishing you'd bought the RS.
Disclaimer: I haven't done any track driving myself, but I would be more excited at the thought of driving (on track) something like a tinny, rattly, noisy 964 Cup than a 991. Appreciate you've been there done that though. The 991's are just so good / fast, I'd rather be slower and driving a 997.1/2 RS.
I agree with footsoldier- a 991.2 manual GT3 is the sweet spot. If you can drive (which your history suggests you can), then it will easily be the fastest thing on most track days, with the exception of proper aero race stuff. Then you can drive home in comfort...
Traction on proper tyres is insane, power is far beyond what you’d ever need, You can get away with a rediculous amount of trail braking into the apex, but it can still catch you out.
Traction on proper tyres is insane, power is far beyond what you’d ever need, You can get away with a rediculous amount of trail braking into the apex, but it can still catch you out.
Love the RS pics.
One thing you said in your original post was that you assumed the .2 RS prices would fall in line with .1 RS prices so didn’t want to pay the extra £35k you need to buy one. I don’t think that will happen personally...think they will keep a fair amount of the premium. The car I think will lost it’s premium is the last .2 £ RS’s with WP...think they’ll end up £20k more that the earlier .2’s...not at the current £40k plus premium.
One thing you said in your original post was that you assumed the .2 RS prices would fall in line with .1 RS prices so didn’t want to pay the extra £35k you need to buy one. I don’t think that will happen personally...think they will keep a fair amount of the premium. The car I think will lost it’s premium is the last .2 £ RS’s with WP...think they’ll end up £20k more that the earlier .2’s...not at the current £40k plus premium.
Steve Rance said:
Keep your 964 and buy a 996/7 cup. Much quicker that a GT3, half the price and you don’t have to worry about it when you stick in in the Armco
Sure, but I can't drive it to the circuit. Means I need a trailer, and a tow car, and really at least one engineer along to help - and I have to store everything somewhere. Plus it'll be at most a 100-hour motor and gearbox, so very large rebuild costs every couple of years at best, and you need at least 2 sets of wheels, and you'll get through a set of slicks every four days at best (remember you do, or can do, way more time on circuit on track days than you can racing). I don't know if the Cup cars need race fuel these days, but that's about £3 a litre. And so on, and so forth.I can't see the point of spending all the money necessary to run a proper race car without actually going racing. I want to drive the car to the circuit, do some laps, and then drive home again, which is exactly what I do with the 964RS. I just want to go somewhat faster.
Also, by and large TDOs aren't super keen on full-race cars mixing it with the punters. Even RMA has some caution here - Graham is another of the guilty crew who sent me off racing the first time around. The speed differences, especially in braking and cornering, are so huge that you either terrify other drivers or lead them to the scene of the accident when they try to brake where you're braking and find out they can't.
The problem now is that the consensus seems to be a .2 GT3RS. That's pretty much the same money as a Touring. I really really like the Touring. I very nearly bought one at the start of the year, then got the i8 (and £100k of change) instead in a fit of eco-consciousness (and, frankly, the sense that I already had enough Porsches). I fear I'm now realising that there is in fact no such thing as enough Porsches.
I wonder what strings I'd need to pull to get on the list for a 992.1 Touring? The GT3 is due for launch fairly soon, isn't it, and is now thought to have the same motor as the 991.2 RS?
Otherwise it's a choice between something like this: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202... and something like this: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
First world problems.
I went from a 991.1 GT3RS that I had for two and a bit years from new and maybe 20 track days to a Touring with 5k KLM’s both LHD.
I was really impressed with the RS great car for the sort of thing you have planned and I did around 10k miles over the ownership period.
After considering a 991.2 GT3RS and doing 5k in my CGT last year I realised I had to have a manual, whilst the PDK is excellent personally manual has the edge.
Rather than a 2 GT3 I went for a Touring, love the subtle looks, the manual and the 9k motor. As FS says is you can peddle it will be faster than most stuff on track and 95% of folks think it’s a base Carrera which for me is an added bonus.
I was really impressed with the RS great car for the sort of thing you have planned and I did around 10k miles over the ownership period.
After considering a 991.2 GT3RS and doing 5k in my CGT last year I realised I had to have a manual, whilst the PDK is excellent personally manual has the edge.
Rather than a 2 GT3 I went for a Touring, love the subtle looks, the manual and the 9k motor. As FS says is you can peddle it will be faster than most stuff on track and 95% of folks think it’s a base Carrera which for me is an added bonus.
964Cup said:
Sure, but I can't drive it to the circuit. Means I need a trailer, and a tow car, and really at least one engineer along to help - and I have to store everything somewhere. Plus it'll be at most a 100-hour motor and gearbox, so very large rebuild costs every couple of years at best, and you need at least 2 sets of wheels, and you'll get through a set of slicks every four days at best (remember you do, or can do, way more time on circuit on track days than you can racing). I don't know if the Cup cars need race fuel these days, but that's about £3 a litre. And so on, and so forth.
I can't see the point of spending all the money necessary to run a proper race car without actually going racing. I want to drive the car to the circuit, do some laps, and then drive home again, which is exactly what I do with the 964RS. I just want to go somewhat faster.
Also, by and large TDOs aren't super keen on full-race cars mixing it with the punters. Even RMA has some caution here - Graham is another of the guilty crew who sent me off racing the first time around. The speed differences, especially in braking and cornering, are so huge that you either terrify other drivers or lead them to the scene of the accident when they try to brake where you're braking and find out they can't.
The problem now is that the consensus seems to be a .2 GT3RS. That's pretty much the same money as a Touring. I really really like the Touring. I very nearly bought one at the start of the year, then got the i8 (and £100k of change) instead in a fit of eco-consciousness (and, frankly, the sense that I already had enough Porsches). I fear I'm now realising that there is in fact no such thing as enough Porsches.
I wonder what strings I'd need to pull to get on the list for a 992.1 Touring? The GT3 is due for launch fairly soon, isn't it, and is now thought to have the same motor as the 991.2 RS?
Otherwise it's a choice between something like this: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202... and something like this: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
First world problems.
How about Mr. Slippydiff's creation?I can't see the point of spending all the money necessary to run a proper race car without actually going racing. I want to drive the car to the circuit, do some laps, and then drive home again, which is exactly what I do with the 964RS. I just want to go somewhat faster.
Also, by and large TDOs aren't super keen on full-race cars mixing it with the punters. Even RMA has some caution here - Graham is another of the guilty crew who sent me off racing the first time around. The speed differences, especially in braking and cornering, are so huge that you either terrify other drivers or lead them to the scene of the accident when they try to brake where you're braking and find out they can't.
The problem now is that the consensus seems to be a .2 GT3RS. That's pretty much the same money as a Touring. I really really like the Touring. I very nearly bought one at the start of the year, then got the i8 (and £100k of change) instead in a fit of eco-consciousness (and, frankly, the sense that I already had enough Porsches). I fear I'm now realising that there is in fact no such thing as enough Porsches.
I wonder what strings I'd need to pull to get on the list for a 992.1 Touring? The GT3 is due for launch fairly soon, isn't it, and is now thought to have the same motor as the 991.2 RS?
Otherwise it's a choice between something like this: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202... and something like this: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
First world problems.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
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