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GT4RS said:
tracydeedance said:
CC need to do more to protect buyers from miss lead adverts from sellers cars advertised with no faults are often bought with problems .
CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Cc do nothing to protect buyers, once they have your card details and you made that winning bid they are taking their fees no matter what. Good car bad car it makes zero difference. CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Good knows why people pay retail money for cars off Cc with zero buyer protection.
gbrown2014 said:
Any ideas why this GTS hasnt generated many bids? Had one 10 years ago and this looks tempting to get back into.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
Good colour but that front paint match is very poor indeed and needs redoing. I would want to know if the car has just had a poor front bumper respray due to stonechips or whether there is a more serious underlying issue.https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
Drivers seat bolster looks well worn even for 60k+ miles.
Also most buyers of 997 GTS want extended leather and this car has the basic cheaper ££ standard placcy dash and door tops which do look rather cheap.
av185 said:
Good colour but that front paint match is very poor indeed and needs redoing. I would want to know if the car has just had a poor front bumper respray due to stonechips or whether there is a more serious underlying issue.
Drivers seat bolster looks well worn even for 60k+ miles.
Also most buyers of 997 GTS want extended leather and this car has the basic cheaper ££ standard placcy dash and door tops which do look rather cheap.
Looking again, i think it's the tip of the wing that's off. Does it mean side shunt? Drivers seat bolster looks well worn even for 60k+ miles.
Also most buyers of 997 GTS want extended leather and this car has the basic cheaper ££ standard placcy dash and door tops which do look rather cheap.
stuckmojo said:
Looking again, i think it's the tip of the wing that's off. Does it mean side shunt?
Depends if the rest of the car is the same colour as the wing, or the PU and bonnetMay have just had a front PU and bonnet painted (and not matched very well) or it could be worse....
av185 said:
gbrown2014 said:
Any ideas why this GTS hasnt generated many bids? Had one 10 years ago and this looks tempting to get back into.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
Good colour but that front paint match is very poor indeed and needs redoing. I would want to know if the car has just had a poor front bumper respray due to stonechips or whether there is a more serious underlying issue.https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...
Drivers seat bolster looks well worn even for 60k+ miles.
Also most buyers of 997 GTS want extended leather and this car has the basic cheaper ££ standard placcy dash and door tops which do look rather cheap.
seawise said:
GT4RS said:
tracydeedance said:
CC need to do more to protect buyers from miss lead adverts from sellers cars advertised with no faults are often bought with problems .
CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Cc do nothing to protect buyers, once they have your card details and you made that winning bid they are taking their fees no matter what. Good car bad car it makes zero difference. CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Good knows why people pay retail money for cars off Cc with zero buyer protection.
seawise said:
GT4RS said:
tracydeedance said:
CC need to do more to protect buyers from miss lead adverts from sellers cars advertised with no faults are often bought with problems .
CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Cc do nothing to protect buyers, once they have your card details and you made that winning bid they are taking their fees no matter what. Good car bad car it makes zero difference. CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Good knows why people pay retail money for cars off Cc with zero buyer protection.
t5 boxes being sold by dealers who pretend their private sellers so they don’t have to give warranty on cars which are so obviously not dealer standard, the whole platform can be used and abused from the sellers point of view!phib said:
Or just go and look at the car before you bid ?
Phib
That’s the best thing except sometimes the cars are 3,4 or 500miles away from where you live, which is why your trusting the sellers information, it also doesn’t stop dealers pretending it’s a private sale when it’s not, their hardly gonna have the car sitting at their dealership for you to view! Phib
In defence of their platform most things have reserves so if someone’s prepared to pay the reserve price then they can’t really complain, but there really is some stupid buyers about.
NIgt3 said:
seawise said:
GT4RS said:
tracydeedance said:
CC need to do more to protect buyers from miss lead adverts from sellers cars advertised with no faults are often bought with problems .
CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Cc do nothing to protect buyers, once they have your card details and you made that winning bid they are taking their fees no matter what. Good car bad car it makes zero difference. CC wash there hands of any issues once bought .
Good knows why people pay retail money for cars off Cc with zero buyer protection.
t5 boxes being sold by dealers who pretend their private sellers so they don’t have to give warranty on cars which are so obviously not dealer standard, the whole platform can be used and abused from the sellers point of view!possible to view a potential purchase miles time factors, we go on honest appraisals of adverts from CC yes it's down to buyer at end of day but we relay on this service being honest from CC but do nothing to help buyers once they got one's money after winning bid.
Won't go into to much details but bought Porsche beginning of the year advert clearly stated no electrical faults at all. Once home 1 headlight bulb out next day new battery needed, two weeks down line fault code new cat needed grrr mechanic told me fault had been deleted as it had new lamba sensors on that cat obviously chasing the dragon. I know people probably had a lot worse but CC washed there hands of my situation and as for the seller hard luck basically lovely chap.
CC really do need to change there policies to help buyers.
Just saying buyer beware
tracydeedance said:
Not only dealers can be miss leading private sellers also! Also agree it's not always
possible to view a potential purchase miles time factors, we go on honest appraisals of adverts from CC yes it's down to buyer at end of day but we relay on this service being honest from CC but do nothing to help buyers once they got one's money after winning bid.
Won't go into to much details but bought Porsche beginning of the year advert clearly stated no electrical faults at all. Once home 1 headlight bulb out next day new battery needed, two weeks down line fault code new cat needed grrr mechanic told me fault had been deleted as it had new lamba sensors on that cat obviously chasing the dragon. I know people probably had a lot worse but CC washed there hands of my situation and as for the seller hard luck basically lovely chap.
CC really do need to change there policies to help buyers.
Just saying buyer beware
I don’t doubt your story, infact it doesn’t surprise me, but surely if a buyer asks a specific question and the answer is basically a lie CC surely would have to hand their fee back, but I suppose they’ve got the money and too get it off them would be difficult, but I’d say if a Solictors bought something and it wasn’t as described, then they might act differentlypossible to view a potential purchase miles time factors, we go on honest appraisals of adverts from CC yes it's down to buyer at end of day but we relay on this service being honest from CC but do nothing to help buyers once they got one's money after winning bid.
Won't go into to much details but bought Porsche beginning of the year advert clearly stated no electrical faults at all. Once home 1 headlight bulb out next day new battery needed, two weeks down line fault code new cat needed grrr mechanic told me fault had been deleted as it had new lamba sensors on that cat obviously chasing the dragon. I know people probably had a lot worse but CC washed there hands of my situation and as for the seller hard luck basically lovely chap.
CC really do need to change there policies to help buyers.
Just saying buyer beware
You're not buying the car from CC and their T&Cs are carefully written to absolve them of liability. Puts all the onus on the buyer.
On the one hand you could just say, fine, treat it as the private sale it is. Due diligence, inspect before bidding etc. Problem is that you then have to spend time and, for most punters, money having the car inspected but without being in a position to buy it. You then have to just bid with everyone else.
If the car was super rare and it was really hard to find another, I'd put up with that. But if it was a car that could be reasonably sourced another way, the CC setup is thoroughly whiffy. It's just shiny, shiny, look it's Chris Harris, isn't that a big, expensive divers watch. Yuck.
On the one hand you could just say, fine, treat it as the private sale it is. Due diligence, inspect before bidding etc. Problem is that you then have to spend time and, for most punters, money having the car inspected but without being in a position to buy it. You then have to just bid with everyone else.
If the car was super rare and it was really hard to find another, I'd put up with that. But if it was a car that could be reasonably sourced another way, the CC setup is thoroughly whiffy. It's just shiny, shiny, look it's Chris Harris, isn't that a big, expensive divers watch. Yuck.
BertBert said:
And here I go again, looks like I'm sticking up for CC. But it's very clear what they do when you sign up to bid. If you don't like it, don't buy using their platform.
There's no point in moaning that they don't do stuff when they have told you that already.
^ this There's no point in moaning that they don't do stuff when they have told you that already.
I was interested in the 981GTS that sold a couple of months ago. Seller wouldn’t agree to viewings before the auction ended and was a bit too shady on some of the responses to questions for my liking. And as much as I like to think I’ve got big ‘‘uns I’m not brave enough to take a £50k punt on a private sale sight unseen.
I’m sure whoever bought the car is loving it but it was a step too far for me.
The combined effect of pandemic supply chain disruptions and general price inflation have massively increased the risk of punts on cars.
I understand gearbox parts for 996/7 cars are very hard to source. At present, the factory not longer sells OEM differential plates, for example.
Better to play safe.
I understand gearbox parts for 996/7 cars are very hard to source. At present, the factory not longer sells OEM differential plates, for example.
Better to play safe.
BertBert said:
And here I go again, looks like I'm sticking up for CC. But it's very clear what they do when you sign up to bid. If you don't like it, don't buy using their platform.
There's no point in moaning that they don't do stuff when they have told you that already.
I disagree. Just because it's there in the small print doesn't mean the entire artifice of the site isn't fundamentally disingenuous. Which I personally think it is.There's no point in moaning that they don't do stuff when they have told you that already.
The point is that just because a person or organisation flags up what they are doing, doesn't make it OK. Which is why offering loans at punitive rates to desperate people can be appallingly exploitative, even if those rates are flagged up front.
CC is obviously at the opposite end of the severity scale when it comes to exploitative practices - cry us all a river for wealthy people making impulsive purchases, etc.
Moderator edit: no naming & shaming
cabbalisticar said:
You're not buying the car from CC and their T&Cs are carefully written to absolve them of liability. Puts all the onus on the buyer.
On the one hand you could just say, fine, treat it as the private sale it is. Due diligence, inspect before bidding etc. Problem is that you then have to spend time and, for most punters, money having the car inspected but without being in a position to buy it. You then have to just bid with everyone else.
If the car was super rare and it was really hard to find another, I'd put up with that. But if it was a car that could be reasonably sourced another way, the CC setup is thoroughly whiffy. It's just shiny, shiny, look it's Chris Harris, isn't that a big, expensive divers watch. Yuck.
100% agree! The more expensive cars and special cars, for me the platform works, it’s the lower end of the scale where in my opinion lies & deceit comes in to play, but I also believe not all these cars are sold even if the auctions says so, i believe dealers and private sellers are taking a punt in the hope to bid their own cars up using their friends to do so and if it doesn’t work their only out the auction fee or if it doesn’t make reserve their out nothing!!On the one hand you could just say, fine, treat it as the private sale it is. Due diligence, inspect before bidding etc. Problem is that you then have to spend time and, for most punters, money having the car inspected but without being in a position to buy it. You then have to just bid with everyone else.
If the car was super rare and it was really hard to find another, I'd put up with that. But if it was a car that could be reasonably sourced another way, the CC setup is thoroughly whiffy. It's just shiny, shiny, look it's Chris Harris, isn't that a big, expensive divers watch. Yuck.
Edited by NIgt3 on Sunday 4th December 15:12
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