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The X50, as did my 996 GT2, utilised the K24 turbos, they're not as quick to spool as the K16s in stock form, but with a decent map and ideally some higher flow cats, they can be made to spool almost as quickly as the K16s, but with better flow at higher boost pressure without the raised inlet temps (X50/GT2 used larger intercoolers)
Some like the wait for it, wait for it, bang !! rush of boost, I preferred to have the boost come in earlier, more gently, then keep building to higher than stock all the way to redline, it made the car feel like it had massive N/A engine, and was easier to drive in all weathers.
IIRC you can amalgamate the K16 with the K24 to produce a K16/24 hybrid which gives you the best of both worlds. Though I dare say there are now far more modern turbos that are cheaper, quicker spooling and provide more boost.
https://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD123022ATK/996-k-16-24...
Here's what I said about the remap and exhaust/cat swap in this thread :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
"With the exhaust fitted and the diverter valves and wastegates checked, discussions centered on whether there would be any improvement in lag as the Ruf exhaust featured 200 cell cats.
Matt drove the car with the standard map and the new exhaust and professed that it felt “very strong”. A view I concurred with as it felt as if it pulled harder and came on boost earlier than my old Midnight blue car (when it was totally standard engine/exhaust wise) however Matt felt the power delivery could be improved on.
With the car back in one piece I went to test it on Saturday of the Bank Holiday weekend. Whilst it was dry when I set off from home, it had been raining heavily at Silverstone.
Matt loaded a new map into the car and I set off along my designated “test route”. With the rain stopped but the roads drying, the car felt ”Biblically fast” © J Clarkson.
The boost now came in earlier and harder, but far more smoothly than the factory map, ergo it also seemed more progressive despite the additional horsepower, and thus actually easier to control.
I returned to Fearnsport along the same road. Once back there I requested some adjustments to the damping (of which more later)
I then headed out again. With the damping adjusted I found myself travelling even quicker, however on the return leg the rain started once again.
Though still circumspect I was gaining in confidence, perhaps too much so, as when I accelerated down the slip road onto a dual carriageway, I witnessed that all too familiar sight of the rev counter heading rapidly towards 6000rpm but with no increase in forward motion. There was however a drastic increase in the yaw angle of the car . . . . ."
We ended up loading a slightly different map that brought the boost in just as early, but more gently and progressively. It made for very quick car that was absolutely fantastic to drive.
Some like the wait for it, wait for it, bang !! rush of boost, I preferred to have the boost come in earlier, more gently, then keep building to higher than stock all the way to redline, it made the car feel like it had massive N/A engine, and was easier to drive in all weathers.
IIRC you can amalgamate the K16 with the K24 to produce a K16/24 hybrid which gives you the best of both worlds. Though I dare say there are now far more modern turbos that are cheaper, quicker spooling and provide more boost.
https://www.fvd.net/us-en/FVD123022ATK/996-k-16-24...
Here's what I said about the remap and exhaust/cat swap in this thread :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
"With the exhaust fitted and the diverter valves and wastegates checked, discussions centered on whether there would be any improvement in lag as the Ruf exhaust featured 200 cell cats.
Matt drove the car with the standard map and the new exhaust and professed that it felt “very strong”. A view I concurred with as it felt as if it pulled harder and came on boost earlier than my old Midnight blue car (when it was totally standard engine/exhaust wise) however Matt felt the power delivery could be improved on.
With the car back in one piece I went to test it on Saturday of the Bank Holiday weekend. Whilst it was dry when I set off from home, it had been raining heavily at Silverstone.
Matt loaded a new map into the car and I set off along my designated “test route”. With the rain stopped but the roads drying, the car felt ”Biblically fast” © J Clarkson.
The boost now came in earlier and harder, but far more smoothly than the factory map, ergo it also seemed more progressive despite the additional horsepower, and thus actually easier to control.
I returned to Fearnsport along the same road. Once back there I requested some adjustments to the damping (of which more later)
I then headed out again. With the damping adjusted I found myself travelling even quicker, however on the return leg the rain started once again.
Though still circumspect I was gaining in confidence, perhaps too much so, as when I accelerated down the slip road onto a dual carriageway, I witnessed that all too familiar sight of the rev counter heading rapidly towards 6000rpm but with no increase in forward motion. There was however a drastic increase in the yaw angle of the car . . . . ."
We ended up loading a slightly different map that brought the boost in just as early, but more gently and progressively. It made for very quick car that was absolutely fantastic to drive.
Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 21st November 15:41
Haven't seen this 991.2 GT3 being discussed (unless it's elsewhere and I missed it).
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
Slippydiff said:
ChrisW. said:
If you ignore the terrible turbo lag and brakes ... ?
It’s the same engine install and mapping as the 996 GT2 Chris, and I don’t recall any owners or magazine reviews complaining of “terrible turbo lag” with them.The only time either of my two examples displayed any kind of lag was if you put non -Super unleaded in them, or you spent to much time pottering around town/in traffic, then the adaptive ECU would pull the timing and generally soften the engine’s responses.
The latter could easily addressed by a couple of “pulls” encompassing 2nd and 3rd gears to the redline, this would see the ECU re-adapt and a return to normality.
What was noticeable however, was the more heat you got into the bigger turbos the quicker the throttle response they provided.
Truth be known, the factory mapping was sub-optimal, and a good remap enabled the onset of boost earlier, much more smoothly, and ultimately more of it higher in the rev range, all of which made the cars nicer (for which read easier) to drive (and a car that was already “no slouch”, ballistically quick)
The brakes are easily (though not particularly cheaply) fixed with the fitment of the six pot front calipers from the 996 Turbo S, Mk 2 996 GT3, or GT2 and the OE 350mm steel front discs along with 997 Turbo front pads, some braided lines and good quality brake fluid. Add Pagid RS29s or their modern equivalent, and their efficiency could be further transformed.
They’re not the most engaging or tactile car, especially when compared to a 996 GT2 or 3, but they’re still a very efficient weapon for traversing our blacktop at speed in all weathers.
I didn't keep mine long enough to start modifying it .... but I had just exchanged it for a 996 GT3RS so maybe that skewed my judgement somewhat.
Life is not a museum ... the next car was an R32 Golf which also didn't last very long !
This 996 3.4 2001 got to £22500 with plenty of bids then disappeared, in the last few extended minutes. Any idea what happened with this sale?
PH, pedantry matters
Slippydiff said:
blueovercream said:
Anyone know this 996?
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2001-porsche-9...
Looks like it's been photographed at FGP though it's going through as a private sale. Is it just that it doesn't meet their standards and/or is going to be uneconomical for them to bring up to scratch?
FGP’s building has 10 courses of bricks beneath the wood cladding, the gentleman’s building has at least another five courses.https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2001-porsche-9...
Looks like it's been photographed at FGP though it's going through as a private sale. Is it just that it doesn't meet their standards and/or is going to be uneconomical for them to bring up to scratch?
PH, pedantry matters
PorkInsider said:
Haven't seen this 991.2 GT3 being discussed (unless it's elsewhere and I missed it).
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
Yes. It’s every two years so looks like the owner had it serviced after a year (perhaps to do an oil change) and then it should have been serviced in 2020. Porsche did grant an extension because of Covid of IIRC six months but that was really during first lockdown when you obviously couldn’t get anything done. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
Cheib said:
PorkInsider said:
Haven't seen this 991.2 GT3 being discussed (unless it's elsewhere and I missed it).
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
Yes. It’s every two years so looks like the owner had it serviced after a year (perhaps to do an oil change) and then it should have been serviced in 2020. Porsche did grant an extension because of Covid of IIRC six months but that was really during first lockdown when you obviously couldn’t get anything done. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
PorkInsider said:
Cheib said:
PorkInsider said:
Haven't seen this 991.2 GT3 being discussed (unless it's elsewhere and I missed it).
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
Yes. It’s every two years so looks like the owner had it serviced after a year (perhaps to do an oil change) and then it should have been serviced in 2020. Porsche did grant an extension because of Covid of IIRC six months but that was really during first lockdown when you obviously couldn’t get anything done. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
PorkInsider said:
Haven't seen this 991.2 GT3 being discussed (unless it's elsewhere and I missed it).
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
..... a few minor niggles, that would niggle me as a potential buyer.https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2017-porsche-9...
Has it missed a service? I'm not fully au fait with the service intervals, but 3 years..?
Listed as private sale, being sold by a trader, car registered as trade (not personal)
As mentioned above 3 year gap between 1st and 2nd service (serving is now up to date and the car has low miles)
Sent for a MOT with a missing mirror - suggests poor prep
Saying that - looks bloody great in black with yellow brakes.
Wilmslowboy said:
..... a few minor niggles, that would niggle me as a potential buyer.
Listed as private sale, being sold by a trader, car registered as trade (not personal)
As mentioned above 3 year gap between 1st and 2nd service (serving is now up to date and the car has low miles)
Sent for a MOT with a missing mirror - suggests poor prep
Saying that - looks bloody great in black with yellow brakes.
Missing mirror? - maybe its just me but I can only think of reason a mirror is missing... crash bang wallopListed as private sale, being sold by a trader, car registered as trade (not personal)
As mentioned above 3 year gap between 1st and 2nd service (serving is now up to date and the car has low miles)
Sent for a MOT with a missing mirror - suggests poor prep
Saying that - looks bloody great in black with yellow brakes.
I see the yellow Cyprus 996GT3 is coming up for sale again.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...
marky911 said:
I see the yellow Cyprus 996GT3 is coming up for sale again.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...
1 year on with only an extra 1,000 miles, plus an additional £15,000 spent maintenance.https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...
Sold for £60k last time, I reckon closer to £80k this time ?
I’ll have a guess at £70k-£72k.
The collectors will be put off by the Cyprus code and it’s a Comfort. Nothing wrong with either, but to be £80k plus fees I think it would need to be a CS.
Lovely looking car though.
It’s amazing how little £15k seems to get you these days when using some of these specialists.
The collectors will be put off by the Cyprus code and it’s a Comfort. Nothing wrong with either, but to be £80k plus fees I think it would need to be a CS.
Lovely looking car though.
It’s amazing how little £15k seems to get you these days when using some of these specialists.
Wilmslowboy said:
1 year on with only an extra 1,000 miles, plus an additional £15,000 spent maintenance.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...
Sold for £60k last time, I reckon closer to £80k this time ?
Wow 15k’s a lumpy pill to swallow . Wonder what needed doing https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...
Sold for £60k last time, I reckon closer to £80k this time ?
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
Serviced at the 'local garage' and some over revs.
What does that say about it!
Serviced at the 'local garage' and some over revs.
What does that say about it!
birdcage said:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
Serviced at the 'local garage' and some over revs.
What does that say about it!
Completely coincidentally it's the same private seller as the 991.2 GT3 CS that's just sold.Serviced at the 'local garage' and some over revs.
What does that say about it!
Edit: this one's also gone over 3 years between its most recent services.
Edited by PorkInsider on Friday 26th November 19:41
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