Taycan 4S Cross Turismo
Discussion
ds666 said:
cb31 said:
Does anyone know what is going on with the Bose stereo on new orders? I've read that the standard stereo is awful so went for the Bose but it now says no longer available on the configurator. I'm not paying £4200 for the Burmeister, how bad is the standard stereo?
Didn't try the standard and never been impressed with BOSE . The Burmeister is stunning .
ETA . cb31 Don't panic! If you go into the configurator under standard features>audio and comms "BOSE® Surround Sound System with 14 speakers including subwoofer and a total output of 710 Watts".
Edited by pheonix478 on Monday 24th October 21:13
pheonix478 said:
I'm not really into hifi and even I was not particularly impressed with the BOSE. I say 'was' because now my little guy and aspiring drummer is in charge of the music he plays it LOUD and, to my ignorant ears at least, it really comes alive when it's turned up. Really quite impressed now. Really disappointed it's apparently no longer available, I was about to order a Turbo and naively assumed if it wasn't an option it was standard. Hmm.
I think the Burmeister situation is temporary, though who knows how long for, but for reasons I can’t fathom Bose is not currently available on the RWD. I have Bose and it sounds ok to me , but I’m no audiophile and I would rather blow the money on other options. On that point I can recommend RWS, not something I had or would spec on my own car, but it came with the car I dropped on and it’s very good, I’m surprised at the difference it makes and will put it on my next order. Blue62 said:
I think the Burmeister situation is temporary, though who knows how long for, but for reasons I can’t fathom Bose is not currently available on the RWD. I have Bose and it sounds ok to me , but I’m no audiophile and I would rather blow the money on other options. On that point I can recommend RWS, not something I had or would spec on my own car, but it came with the car I dropped on and it’s very good, I’m surprised at the difference it makes and will put it on my next order.
Isn’t the issue simply that where there is a shortage of hardware, Porsche will be prioritising those cars which are intended to have BOSE as standard.Blue62 said:
I think the Burmeister situation is temporary, though who knows how long for, but for reasons I can’t fathom Bose is not currently available on the RWD. I have Bose and it sounds ok to me , but I’m no audiophile and I would rather blow the money on other options. On that point I can recommend RWS, not something I had or would spec on my own car, but it came with the car I dropped on and it’s very good, I’m surprised at the difference it makes and will put it on my next order.
Ah, you're right. In the configurator it looks like BOSE not available on RWD, is an option on 4S and GTS and standard on Turbo and TurboS. Love RWS on the Taycan, was the first option I ticked for my replacement.pheonix478 said:
Love RWS on the Taycan, was the first option I ticked for my replacement.
I have RWS ticked as an option but haven't tried it. Looking at the turning circle, which is what I am interested in it for, it makes hardly any difference with and without. Certainly not compared to Mercedes systems, it is a bit of a gamble whether it will be worth it for mecb31 said:
I have RWS ticked as an option but haven't tried it. Looking at the turning circle, which is what I am interested in it for, it makes hardly any difference with and without. Certainly not compared to Mercedes systems, it is a bit of a gamble whether it will be worth it for me
I haven't driven a car without RWS but my impression of mine with is that the turning circle is surprisingly good. It will swing into spaces I wouldn't bother with in other cars. According to the tech sheet below the turning circle is 34.1' with RWS. To put that in perspective a Mini Cooper is 35'5"... The other benefit is at manouvering speed I think the rack changes ratio and turns faster, which you don't really notice until you drive something else which then seems like you're trying to 3 point turn a large yacht.https://www.scribd.com/document/424462181/Taycan-T...
cb31 said:
I have RWS ticked as an option but haven't tried it. Looking at the turning circle, which is what I am interested in it for, it makes hardly any difference with and without. Certainly not compared to Mercedes systems, it is a bit of a gamble whether it will be worth it for me
I came into my Taycan from an S63, it’s similar proportions and weight to the Taycan but I cannot believe the difference. It’s well documented that the car belies it’s weight, but I can’t get over how it wraps itself around you, from the passenger seat my wife likens it to the 911 and from the drivers seat it’s a similar feeling. The RWS adds to that experience, I can’t honestly say I detect it at anything but lower speeds, but the car is astonishing and I’m sure the RWS adds a layer of fairy dust. Its a 5m car and I notice it steering the rear slightly when i reverse in particular. Its useful on long thin drives in reverse as you don't have to yaw the rear end using the front wheels (getting close to the wall) - if you get me. I would always spec it now.
On the Bose/Burmester thing. Bose is mediocre. Burmester is better - but not £4k better on any level. V poor value.
Consider adding a slim active sub like https://www.audison.eu/news/prima-active-sub-box/ . I had one of these in my Macan with its unimpressive Bose and it fixed it - bit of a gangsta window rattler then!!!).
Might be an idea going with the stock base system and having a chat with an audio shop? Most of them know loads and upgrading speakers and adding a sub might get you better than Bose for £1500? Bose + a proper sub would be better though (and for resale) and still save £3k over Burmester.
I'd love to fit my Audison sub in the Taycan but it wont go under the boot floor like it did in the Macan and I always need the boot space. Considering getting a custom 2 x sub in the slot but not getting round to it and that slot is so handy for the granny charger and type 2 and my 'letterbox friendly; extension cable.
On the Bose/Burmester thing. Bose is mediocre. Burmester is better - but not £4k better on any level. V poor value.
Consider adding a slim active sub like https://www.audison.eu/news/prima-active-sub-box/ . I had one of these in my Macan with its unimpressive Bose and it fixed it - bit of a gangsta window rattler then!!!).
Might be an idea going with the stock base system and having a chat with an audio shop? Most of them know loads and upgrading speakers and adding a sub might get you better than Bose for £1500? Bose + a proper sub would be better though (and for resale) and still save £3k over Burmester.
I'd love to fit my Audison sub in the Taycan but it wont go under the boot floor like it did in the Macan and I always need the boot space. Considering getting a custom 2 x sub in the slot but not getting round to it and that slot is so handy for the granny charger and type 2 and my 'letterbox friendly; extension cable.
cb31 said:
Sounds like RWS is better than I thought. Got the Porsche experience next month so hopefully will get to have a go in one with it.
It's a shame Porsche don't let you turn features like RAS on and off in the PCM so you could feel if these things *really* make a difference. After all how many of us ever get the chance to try cars with and without back to back... the journos don't even bother. All that said RAS was literally the first option I selected for my next one and I'm cheap AF.pheonix478 said:
It's a shame Porsche don't let you turn features like RAS on and off in the PCM so you could feel if these things *really* make a difference. After all how many of us ever get the chance to try cars with and without back to back... the journos don't even bother. All that said RAS was literally the first option I selected for my next one and I'm cheap AF.
As far as I understand RWS is different suspension components so can't be done in software. I agree on other options though, it is really hard to see things back to back at the dealers. eg. I saw a standard interior and it looked nice but was thinking of the cream upgraded leather but none of the cars available have it so it is a £3k gamble, same as BOSE at £1k, surround cameras, blind spot monitoring, HUD etc. We are potentially spending £7.5k on options that we haven't seen or tried. No idea what the answer is and Porsche can sell every one they make many times over so they aren't really bothered. Fantastic car though so will just pay the money and enjoycb31 said:
As far as I understand RWS is different suspension components so can't be done in software. I agree on other options though, it is really hard to see things back to back at the dealers. eg. I saw a standard interior and it looked nice but was thinking of the cream upgraded leather but none of the cars available have it so it is a £3k gamble, same as BOSE at £1k, surround cameras, blind spot monitoring, HUD etc. We are potentially spending £7.5k on options that we haven't seen or tried. No idea what the answer is and Porsche can sell every one they make many times over so they aren't really bothered. Fantastic car though so will just pay the money and enjoy
I think more everyday options like HUD and blind spot are easy to assess, you know what they offer and decide whether they’re important to you and presumably affordable. The tough options are things like PVT and RWS, you’ve no reference point, or at best a limited one. It’s the age old thing and maybe more model dependent, probably not worth going crazy on the 4S or RWD, but in the end it’s a personal choice. My broker mate suggested that the fifth seat (as crap as it is) is a must have option for resale, I can see his point and he’s far better positioned than me to judge. I’m sure it’s a brilliant car without any extras, but Porsche is very good at relieving us of our hard earned.
Blue62 said:
I think more everyday options like HUD and blind spot are easy to assess, you know what they offer and decide whether they’re important to you and presumably affordable. The tough options are things like PVT and RWS, you’ve no reference point, or at best a limited one.
It’s the age old thing and maybe more model dependent, probably not worth going crazy on the 4S or RWD, but in the end it’s a personal choice. My broker mate suggested that the fifth seat (as crap as it is) is a must have option for resale, I can see his point and he’s far better positioned than me to judge. I’m sure it’s a brilliant car without any extras, but Porsche is very good at relieving us of our hard earned.
PDCC is an even more expensive roll of the dice. On the one hand mine without PDCC rides and corners, IMO brilliantly but I have a nagging disappointment that I'm missing out on an even better experience. I can't decide whether to spec it or not. It’s the age old thing and maybe more model dependent, probably not worth going crazy on the 4S or RWD, but in the end it’s a personal choice. My broker mate suggested that the fifth seat (as crap as it is) is a must have option for resale, I can see his point and he’s far better positioned than me to judge. I’m sure it’s a brilliant car without any extras, but Porsche is very good at relieving us of our hard earned.
Murph7355 said:
I keep an eye on used prices while my patience is tested on a GTS ST order.
In the last month or two I've seen used asking prices through Porsche approved drop (for nicely spec'd cars). Not by a huge amount, but enough that a couple of cars slid below list before being removed from the sales list.
I suspect this situation will happen more and more as the recession bites. These are fantastic cars, but not limited production or anything especially special. No way would I pay overs on one.
We'll see what the next batch of allocations brings (I believe they are due next month).
I was wondering the same as have placed an order for a CT. A quick look across the classifieds and there are around 250 Taycan for sale at the moment in various varieties. That just strikes me as an awful lot of available cars for something which is supposed to be demanding over list prices due to supple constraints. Maybe it holds for a while but then drops? In the last month or two I've seen used asking prices through Porsche approved drop (for nicely spec'd cars). Not by a huge amount, but enough that a couple of cars slid below list before being removed from the sales list.
I suspect this situation will happen more and more as the recession bites. These are fantastic cars, but not limited production or anything especially special. No way would I pay overs on one.
We'll see what the next batch of allocations brings (I believe they are due next month).
RobBucks said:
I was wondering the same as have placed an order for a CT. A quick look across the classifieds and there are around 250 Taycan for sale at the moment in various varieties. That just strikes me as an awful lot of available cars for something which is supposed to be demanding over list prices due to supple constraints. Maybe it holds for a while but then drops?
I think it’s a very muddled picture at the moment, but well specced, sensibly priced cars are not hanging around, the slow movers tend to be either stupid money or low spec, especially with PB+. I think a lot of owners are speculating right now in the hope of making a quick buck but at some point there will be a correction, possibly driven by cancelled orders as people either tire of waiting or face reduced circumstances. Since I bought my slightly used car I’ve been offered two cancelled orders via a broker, the last one was a CT4S, it went in a matter of hours.
cb31 said:
As far as I understand RWS is different suspension components so can't be done in software...
Yes there must be an actuator in there to adjust angle/toe of the back wheel. I meant, assuming you had RWS physical components present, it should be fairly easy to turn it off in software to discern any difference. Anyway, matters not because we can't. As luck would have it my neighbour just bought a Taycan Turbo S with all the goodies so I'm really looking forward to trying PDCC back to back with mine.pheonix478 said:
PDCC is an even more expensive roll of the dice. On the one hand mine without PDCC rides and corners, IMO brilliantly but I have a nagging disappointment that I'm missing out on an even better experience. I can't decide whether to spec it or not.
I pushed the boat out for PDCC - its active anti roll bars (well there are no actual roll bars) and it does make a difference. Nothing corners flatter. And as there is no roll bar resistance when going straight ahead it makes the ride more comfortable and compliant. I'm definitely speccing it in place of any overpriced leather trim bits on my incoming ST GTS. Car just feels so good.Blue62 said:
RobBucks said:
I was wondering the same as have placed an order for a CT. A quick look across the classifieds and there are around 250 Taycan for sale at the moment in various varieties. That just strikes me as an awful lot of available cars for something which is supposed to be demanding over list prices due to supple constraints. Maybe it holds for a while but then drops?
I think it’s a very muddled picture at the moment, but well specced, sensibly priced cars are not hanging around, the slow movers tend to be either stupid money or low spec, especially with PB+. I think a lot of owners are speculating right now in the hope of making a quick buck but at some point there will be a correction, possibly driven by cancelled orders as people either tire of waiting or face reduced circumstances. Since I bought my slightly used car I’ve been offered two cancelled orders via a broker, the last one was a CT4S, it went in a matter of hours.
W12GT said:
Out of interest - can you PM me the broker? I’ve been hanging on for a CT4S for a while and am now getting impatient! Currently have a TS as a loan car and the boot is so much better than on my Taycan.
I will need to ask him, bit of an odd one in that he deals exclusively with high end stuff and mainly footballers/sportspeople, my connection is that he is my BiL. I can tell you that the last two offers came from East London so it may be worth contacting them directly, he gives a handful of dealers a lot of business so gets the phone call. The message is that there are definitely cancelled cars now and if you have the time a few calls might turn up a deal.Gassing Station | Porsche EVs | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff