Taycan 4S Cross Turismo

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21ATS said:

We're ordering two of them, so it becomes a £45K difference, which just seemed like too much to pay for us for very little uplift.

We will be ordering 2 also but my partner's car doesn't go back until June .

[simonsti]

Do you also get the tax benefits if you are classed as self employed, or is it only for Limited companies.

[wattsm666]

simonsti said:

Do you also get the tax benefits if you are classed as self employed, or is it only for Limited companies.

Yes you can claim the WDA if you buy it, but restricted for private use. If leased you can deduct the lease costs. Speak to your accountant

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russy01 said:

21ATS said:

Last night I did a spec comparison between the 4S we ordered and a Turbo to an indetical spec, the difference was £25k, but closer to £22K with absolute like for like spec as the upgraded interior is built into the turbo price.

For me, there's not £22K's worth of perfomance extra in the Turbo. Oh sure it's quicker. But I think you'd have to be on a drag strip to notice. Real world there seemed very little in it.

I did the same. I was hoping the Turbo had more bits that I had specced thrown in, but it didnt. I managed to get it down to approx £20k difference - which is hard to justify imo.

I looked at this and whilst that's the difference for a cash buyer if you are looking at a lease then fact that the entire option cost is built into the term (36-48 months) means that there was very little difference in TCO (both came in at around £1600 per month)

Obviously if you are planning to keep the car then that changes things and would need further consideration.

NicG said:

Yes, I tend to agree. The initial step off wasn’t quite as immediate as I was expecting although no lack of go once underway. There did seem to be a distinct ‘kick-down’ if you floored it so perhaps it defaults to the higher gear from rest if it is in ‘normal’ rather than in sport?

Yep. As per Harry's Garage review in everything but sport the car uses the longer gear from standstill and less power is delivered. Different beast in Sport and annoying how little the dealers know about this kind of thing.

[russy01]

I got a price on the Turbo, off the top of my head it worked out at about £220 more per month. £1595 plays £1812 or something I think it was...

This was on a 3yr 12k pa Contract hire.

So, you’re right - a 20% increase in the cash price value doesn’t equal a 20% increase in the monthly - it’s about 14%.

It’s a tricky one. I’d clearly love the extra oomph, but I’d also like the burmester, the matrix lights etc. Just trying to draw a line somewhere and I think the 4S seems a good compromise.

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Burmeister?
Just listen to the exhaust .
Oh , no , wait ....

[hornbaek]

I simply don’t get these Taycans. EVs for inner city driving is ideal but why would you get a 4 seat autobahn cruiser that has a range of only 200 miles ? I’m currently driving in Liguria (IT) and charging points are few and far between. It simply isn’t fit for purpose on long distance travel so why bother ?

[russy01]

hornbaek said:

I simply don’t get these Taycans. EVs for inner city driving is ideal but why would you get a 4 seat autobahn cruiser that has a range of only 200 miles ? I’m currently driving in Liguria (IT) and charging points are few and far between. It simply isn’t fit for purpose on long distance travel so why bother ?

It clearly doesn’t work for your circumstances, but clearly does for a lot of others. What’s the problem? You can keep buying ICE cars until you find the car that fits your requirements.

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hornbaek said:

I simply don’t get these Taycans. EVs for inner city driving is ideal but why would you get a 4 seat autobahn cruiser that has a range of only 200 miles ? I’m currently driving in Liguria (IT) and charging points are few and far between. It simply isn’t fit for purpose on long distance travel so why bother ?

Longest journey I do regularly is approx 50 miles. If and when I use it to go further, planning stops to recharge in the UK looks straight forward. 18 months ago I might have agreed with you, but with the Ionity charging stations now nicely scattered across the land with their 350kw charging, and plenty of options for 50kw, I’m hoping it’s going to be relatively easy.

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hornbaek said:

I simply don’t get these Taycans. EVs for inner city driving is ideal but why would you get a 4 seat autobahn cruiser that has a range of only 200 miles ? I’m currently driving in Liguria (IT) and charging points are few and far between. It simply isn’t fit for purpose on long distance travel so why bother ?

Have you driven one ? It’s an electric 911 , almost .

[JJMatrixx]

Love that I found this thread...exactly what I need

Think I've finalised my spec but I have no idea about the charging options in the spec list. Should I go for the 150kw DC charger? What rate is the DC charging without that? I've had my Tesla M3P for nearly 2 years and used a super charger once so pretty much 100% home charge. Are there any other options as part of this section that I should consider?!

Here's my spec:

https://www.porsche.com/microsite/porsche-code/def...

Looks like I've secured it at £1,160 + VAT/m on a 4 year lease, which feels pretty decent. For those interested, adding the options worked out at £18.50 + VAT /m extra for every £1,000 added on the config.

Edited by JJMatrixx on Friday 28th May 10:19

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russy01 said:

I got a price on the Turbo, off the top of my head it worked out at about £220 more per month. £1595 plays £1812 or something I think it was...

This was on a 3yr 12k pa Contract hire.

So, you’re right - a 20% increase in the cash price value doesn’t equal a 20% increase in the monthly - it’s about 14%.

It’s a tricky one. I’d clearly love the extra oomph, but I’d also like the burmester, the matrix lights etc. Just trying to draw a line somewhere and I think the 4S seems a good compromise.

It's definitely a question of what options you choose. The stuff that's missing on the 4S really adds up if you intended to spec it.

Metallic Paint - £774
20" Wheels - £1776
Extended Leather - £2538
Adaptive Sport Seats - £1440
PTV Plus - £1052
Matrix Headlights - £1221
Bose Surround - £956

£10k of options (£275 a month on a 3 year deal), all of which would be on my want list. Difference in cost between a standard CT 4S and Turbo on a 3 year deal is £400 a month, dropping to £125 a month with the options added to the 4S to get to spec parity. That's about 8% or £4500 over the term.

Sounds like a better deal to me.

[JJMatrixx]

russy01 said:

I got a price on the Turbo, off the top of my head it worked out at about £220 more per month. £1595 plays £1812 or something I think it was...

This was on a 3yr 12k pa Contract hire.

So, you’re right - a 20% increase in the cash price value doesn’t equal a 20% increase in the monthly - it’s about 14%.

It’s a tricky one. I’d clearly love the extra oomph, but I’d also like the burmester, the matrix lights etc. Just trying to draw a line somewhere and I think the 4S seems a good compromise.

Is that ex VAT prices? 1+ ?

[ChocolateFrog]

F20CN16 said:

Love these. Definitely in my dream garage for daily driving duties. Love that burgundy colour.

Quite possibly the best daily driver there is at the moment if you need a family wagon.

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JJMatrixx said:

Love that I found this thread...exactly what I need

Think I've finalised my spec but I have no idea about the charging options in the spec list. Should I go for the 150kw DC charger? What rate is the DC charging without that? I've had my Tesla M3P for nearly 2 years and used a super charger once so pretty much 100% home charge. Are there any other options as part of this section that I should consider?!

Here's my spec:

https://www.porsche.com/microsite/porsche-code/def...

Looks like I've secured it at £1,160 + VAT/m on a 4 year lease, which feels pretty decent. For those interested, adding the options worked out at £18.50 + VAT /m extra for every £1,000 added on the config.

Edited by JJMatrixx on Friday 28th May 10:19

Looks great. Hopefully be making the same jump in the next 6 months.

The 150kW charger could come in handy, and at £294 I'd say it makes sense to tick the box. even though like you I rarely public charge.

Based on your numbers you are paying £1065 for every £1000 of options that are being added (£22.20 a month with the VAT x 48 months) so as expected zero residual value and interest being charged also.

Just looked at your config, you'll be paying £80 a month for 4 years just for the wheel upgrade.

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JJMatrixx said:

russy01 said:

I got a price on the Turbo, off the top of my head it worked out at about £220 more per month. £1595 plays £1812 or something I think it was...

This was on a 3yr 12k pa Contract hire.

So, you’re right - a 20% increase in the cash price value doesn’t equal a 20% increase in the monthly - it’s about 14%.

It’s a tricky one. I’d clearly love the extra oomph, but I’d also like the burmester, the matrix lights etc. Just trying to draw a line somewhere and I think the 4S seems a good compromise.

Is that ex VAT prices? 1+ ?

The Turbo can be had for < £1700 on a 1 + 35, 12k a mile deal with the VAT.

https://leasing.com/independent-brokers/hitachi-ca...

[AB]

Looking forward to seeing these CT's on the road, I don't need the extra interior space so don't feel like I missed out.

Also agree with what people are saying about 4S vs Turbo to be honest. You'll never find the 4S lacking, that's for sure.

Also, unless you're doing regular lengthy journeys and/or you can't charge at home then you're really not going to struggle if you make sure you know where you can get a quick top up on your journey.

[JJMatrixx]

SWoll said:

Looks great. Hopefully be making the same jump in the next 6 months.

The 150kW charger could come in handy, and at £294 I'd say it makes sense to tick the box. even though like you I rarely public charge.

Based on your numbers you are paying £1065 for every £1000 of options that are being added (£22.20 a month with the VAT x 48 months) so as expected zero residual value and interest being charged also.

Just looked at your config, you'll be paying £80 a month for 4 years just for the wheel upgrade.

Ok, but what's the DC charge rate without that option?

And yes, zero residual value on options and a little more expensive that the option itself apparently down to increased funder interest. Either way, you can't poverty spec these if you're keep it for 4 years...would drive you nuts thinking about how you should have just spent the money.

EDIT: It might be £80+VAT/m for the alloys but do you save the money and go for these shockers?!

Edited by JJMatrixx on Friday 28th May 13:19

[DMZ]

If I understand correctly, it has an 800V charger that can do 270kW with the big battery that comes with the CT.

It has a 50kW 400V charger/converter as standard and a 150kW 400V charger/converter optionally. I'm assuming all the normal 100-150kW chargers that are out there are 400V so you need the option.

[DMZ]

Mind you, this article says "no" to the 150kW option: https://electricrevs.com/2019/11/19/should-porsche...