Is this how it's going to be - Porsche hate??
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Given the increasingly bifurcated nature of society, I'm surprised we don't see more of the behaviour experienced by the OP, and am also surprised by some of the reaction to it here, as it's pretty easy to understand.
We can all claim that our cars are 'individual' purchases, made with no concern for the wider world or what others might think, and that the sole reason for speccing the GT decals and the bright paintwork are for our appreciation of the aesthetics, or the 6" titanium rear wing risers are necessary for the weight saving and downforce.
But we're kidding ourselves, at least in part. And whether there's conscious admittance from the purchaser or not, there's a certain - and probably large - element of more base human nature at work here. We're all predisposed as animals to want to acquire and flaunt our resources, to establish social hierarchy (and ultimately to aid procreation).
No surprise then that when pushed into the faces of people who know that whatever they do, they're not moving far in said social hierarchy, that some will react with anger. In terms of brands that elicit this response, Porsche is likely up there in there in the UK. Maybe there's the lingering association with City types that also helps fuel it. I had the occasional hand gesture or comment when I had my 911's or boxsters. By contrast nothing but the odd positive comment since getting my R8, but then I hardly ever drive it.
We can all claim that our cars are 'individual' purchases, made with no concern for the wider world or what others might think, and that the sole reason for speccing the GT decals and the bright paintwork are for our appreciation of the aesthetics, or the 6" titanium rear wing risers are necessary for the weight saving and downforce.
But we're kidding ourselves, at least in part. And whether there's conscious admittance from the purchaser or not, there's a certain - and probably large - element of more base human nature at work here. We're all predisposed as animals to want to acquire and flaunt our resources, to establish social hierarchy (and ultimately to aid procreation).
No surprise then that when pushed into the faces of people who know that whatever they do, they're not moving far in said social hierarchy, that some will react with anger. In terms of brands that elicit this response, Porsche is likely up there in there in the UK. Maybe there's the lingering association with City types that also helps fuel it. I had the occasional hand gesture or comment when I had my 911's or boxsters. By contrast nothing but the odd positive comment since getting my R8, but then I hardly ever drive it.
Interesting thread. Had a black R8 prior to my current Carmine Red Boxster and never had an issue with either. The Boxster has had far more positive comments made. I've had a few "boy racers" - usually Golf Rs or RS or S Audi's try to prove a point but I don't take the bait and it has never been aggressive driving. And I've found I'm let out at junctions or people move over on motorways.
Hedgeman said:
Given the increasingly bifurcated nature of society, I'm surprised we don't see more of the behaviour experienced by the OP, and am also surprised by some of the reaction to it here, as it's pretty easy to understand.
We can all claim that our cars are 'individual' purchases, made with no concern for the wider world or what others might think, and that the sole reason for speccing the GT decals and the bright paintwork are for our appreciation of the aesthetics, or the 6" titanium rear wing risers are necessary for the weight saving and downforce.
But we're kidding ourselves, at least in part. And whether there's conscious admittance from the purchaser or not, there's a certain - and probably large - element of more base human nature at work here. We're all predisposed as animals to want to acquire and flaunt our resources, to establish social hierarchy (and ultimately to aid procreation).
No surprise then that when pushed into the faces of people who know that whatever they do, they're not moving far in said social hierarchy, that some will react with anger. In terms of brands that elicit this response, Porsche is likely up there in there in the UK. Maybe there's the lingering association with City types that also helps fuel it. I had the occasional hand gesture or comment when I had my 911's or boxsters. By contrast nothing but the odd positive comment since getting my R8, but then I hardly ever drive it.
That’s a very broad brush you’re sweeping with there, I’d suggest too that it’s probably best not to judge everyone by your own standards.We can all claim that our cars are 'individual' purchases, made with no concern for the wider world or what others might think, and that the sole reason for speccing the GT decals and the bright paintwork are for our appreciation of the aesthetics, or the 6" titanium rear wing risers are necessary for the weight saving and downforce.
But we're kidding ourselves, at least in part. And whether there's conscious admittance from the purchaser or not, there's a certain - and probably large - element of more base human nature at work here. We're all predisposed as animals to want to acquire and flaunt our resources, to establish social hierarchy (and ultimately to aid procreation).
No surprise then that when pushed into the faces of people who know that whatever they do, they're not moving far in said social hierarchy, that some will react with anger. In terms of brands that elicit this response, Porsche is likely up there in there in the UK. Maybe there's the lingering association with City types that also helps fuel it. I had the occasional hand gesture or comment when I had my 911's or boxsters. By contrast nothing but the odd positive comment since getting my R8, but then I hardly ever drive it.
dunc_sx said:
I get a fairly neutral response in my 987 Cayman, no different from other cars I drive which is nice. It doesn't really stand out apart from being smaller than most other cars these days.
Thought I'd better update this since I spoke too soon above. I've just had 2x full blown w 
r signs within 40miles of each other, it wasn't even anyone that knew me which was the strange thing.987 Cayman S, red, std car inc. std quiet exhaust and driven like an angel btw.
Dunc.
I think, as others have said, the specific model probably causes most of the issues. The GT4 is a wonderful car in many ways but the dropped stance, lairy wing and noisy exhaust do tend to shout bellend, even to some of those that should know better. The fact that it is Boxster/Cayman shaped will entrench some of the worst, mal-informed types.
The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
Slippydiff said:
That’s a very broad brush you’re sweeping with there, I’d suggest too that it’s probably best not to judge everyone by your own standards.
/shrugThere's no judgement or "standard" here, merely an observation that evolution has a sizeable part to play in our behaviours and choices. And this brush is rightly broad. Porsche's best selling car is an SUV, and only a tiny proportion of their sports cars are taken on track.
It happens but I don't care and just get on with enoying my 911. You would think someone driving a new lilac jag xe would be concerned with their situation rather than someone else car.
A colleague had someone stub their cigarette out on the bonnet of his 911 which would piss anyone off irrespective of car brand.
A colleague had someone stub their cigarette out on the bonnet of his 911 which would piss anyone off irrespective of car brand.
ettore said:
I think, as others have said, the specific model probably causes most of the issues. The GT4 is a wonderful car in many ways but the dropped stance, lairy wing and noisy exhaust do tend to shout bellend, even to some of those that should know better. The fact that it is Boxster/Cayman shaped will entrench some of the worst, mal-informed types.
The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
I wholly agree. It’s not a marque issue with Porsche, it’s a perception of a car that’s been covered in glue and driven through Halfords.The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
The same thing has been happening for years and years.
Hedgeman said:
Slippydiff said:
That’s a very broad brush you’re sweeping with there, I’d suggest too that it’s probably best not to judge everyone by your own standards.
There's no judgement or "standard" here, merely an observation that evolution has a sizeable part to play in our behaviours and choices. And this brush is rightly broad. Porsche's best selling car is an SUV, and only a tiny proportion of their sports cars are taken on track.Hedgeman said:
We're all predisposed as animals to want to acquire and flaunt our resources, to establish social hierarchy (and ultimately to aid procreation).
You may be, and indeed some others may be, but not all are. But on the basis you seem to think we all are, you clearly are, hence my broad brush comment and my not judging everyone by your own standards comment (though if you find my use of the word "standard" unpalatable, let's substitute it with perspective)gottans said:
Hol said:
I wholly agree. It’s not a marque issue with Porsche, it’s a perception of a car that’s been covered in glue and driven through Halfords.
Why did you have to say this, next time I see a Porsche with a wing or bonnet vents, etc this is all that will spring to mind.ettore said:
gottans said:
Hol said:
I wholly agree. It’s not a marque issue with Porsche, it’s a perception of a car that’s been covered in glue and driven through Halfords.
Why did you have to say this, next time I see a Porsche with a wing or bonnet vents, etc this is all that will spring to mind.Hol said:
ettore said:
I think, as others have said, the specific model probably causes most of the issues. The GT4 is a wonderful car in many ways but the dropped stance, lairy wing and noisy exhaust do tend to shout bellend, even to some of those that should know better. The fact that it is Boxster/Cayman shaped will entrench some of the worst, mal-informed types.
The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
I wholly agree. It’s not a marque issue with Porsche, it’s a perception of a car that’s been covered in glue and driven through Halfords.The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
The same thing has been happening for years and years.
CraigyMc said:
Hol said:
ettore said:
I think, as others have said, the specific model probably causes most of the issues. The GT4 is a wonderful car in many ways but the dropped stance, lairy wing and noisy exhaust do tend to shout bellend, even to some of those that should know better. The fact that it is Boxster/Cayman shaped will entrench some of the worst, mal-informed types.
The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
I wholly agree. It’s not a marque issue with Porsche, it’s a perception of a car that’s been covered in glue and driven through Halfords.The only issues I consistently had were in my old GT3 which did suffer from the same issue of looking a bit ridiculous anywhere other than Silverstone or Le Mans. Other Porsches, Astons and my current F-Type R all pass/passed broadly under the abuse bar although Mrs Ettore gets a bit of grief which I attribute to good old sexist machismo!
The same thing has been happening for years and years.
Stick what (to a librarian type motorist) appears to be an aftermarket set of badly chosen modifications including a loud exhaust and a lairy oversized rear wing to a road car and you immediately have them drawing the wrong conclusion.
No different to response they would have given the bright green wrapped M2 with similar modifications, that passed by 5 mins earlier.
Edited by Hol on Wednesday 1st June 10:06
There are a lot of very unhappy people out there who just look for opportunities to vent. More unusual cars are just one of many triggers for this type. Another day it could be something you said or looking at them the wrong way.
It seems convertible or more unusual sports cars are a particular issue for a lot of male van drivers or builders. Yelling "show us your tits darling" at female passers by is now less acceptable so maybe this is the new neanderthal vent of choice.
The psychology is fascinating.
It seems convertible or more unusual sports cars are a particular issue for a lot of male van drivers or builders. Yelling "show us your tits darling" at female passers by is now less acceptable so maybe this is the new neanderthal vent of choice.
The psychology is fascinating.
Edited by Unreal on Wednesday 1st June 20:35
I think this is intrinsic of what people think they can get away with based on their immediate opinions being aired on FB, Twitter etc. there's lots of hate in the world out there and the boundaries between what people think they can do in SM versus reality seem to be blurring. That said, I have more courteous treatment and 'Christian driving' when in my Cayman compared to my GLE. Now the GLE brings hatred and jealousy to different levels. When did society get so effed up? A simple rule- Enjoy your cars, you work hard in life and are allowed to have pleasures.
Grant1979 said:
IA simple rule- Enjoy your cars, you work hard in life and are allowed to have pleasures.
100% agree.I have a number of cars and almost never get a negative reaction ( nor a huge amount of positives..maybe the odd thumbs up), which suits me just fine. WIth Porsches in particular they are quite common cars these days as lots of them are still on the road after decades and to the average non-car person they all look a bit the same.
Had something happen today that I've not had with any other car I've owned...
nice day, so I took my 991.1 c4s to the local village and to my gym.
Came home and noticed someone has SPAT down the side of the car... I've talking a big greenie!!
Do you think this is a reaction to the times we're in, or just P hate?
I must admit I'm a little more conscious of driving a 911 given the cost of living crisis, but I've never had anyone actually do anything like today's experience...
nice day, so I took my 991.1 c4s to the local village and to my gym.
Came home and noticed someone has SPAT down the side of the car... I've talking a big greenie!!
Do you think this is a reaction to the times we're in, or just P hate?
I must admit I'm a little more conscious of driving a 911 given the cost of living crisis, but I've never had anyone actually do anything like today's experience...
isleofthorns said:
Had something happen today that I've not had with any other car I've owned...
nice day, so I took my 991.1 c4s to the local village and to my gym.
Came home and noticed someone has SPAT down the side of the car... I've talking a big greenie!!
Do you think this is a reaction to the times we're in, or just P hate?
I must admit I'm a little more conscious of driving a 911 given the cost of living crisis, but I've never had anyone actually do anything like today's experience...
it could be bird vomit which can appear like extreme spitnice day, so I took my 991.1 c4s to the local village and to my gym.
Came home and noticed someone has SPAT down the side of the car... I've talking a big greenie!!
Do you think this is a reaction to the times we're in, or just P hate?
I must admit I'm a little more conscious of driving a 911 given the cost of living crisis, but I've never had anyone actually do anything like today's experience...
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